2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumI'm tired of living POOR! I'm gonna be a New Democrat!
I'm gonna live RICH!
Gonna be friends with Banksters and the FIRE people.
Gonna be friends with Big Oil and the mineral extraction people.
Gonna be friends with Big Pharma and Big Agra people.
Gonna be friends with the Money Trumps Peace crowd who offshore their loot in Swiss banks.
Gonna lose all my friends in the Old Democratic Party.
You know who I'm talking about:
The not-rich-by-their-own-choice People.
The Poor.
The Working Poor.
The Middle Classes.
Too bad. So sad.
Losers.
PeoViejo
(2,178 posts)Money: the great appeaser of Moral Values.
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)Like the one about 20 years ago here in TX. These people bought a lottery ticket for their mother. She won $10 mill. They had her on the news talking about how she was a good Southern Baptist woman and she believed gambling was a sin. She didn't hesitate in accepting the check either.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)Neolib/Third Way/Clintonist thought in a nutshell: all the self-centered, materialistic priorities...sans the guilt of being a Republican.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Money! I always wanted to be part of something bigger than my government.
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)How fucked up is that?
haikugal
(6,476 posts)MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)Money is the GREAT equalizer!
Yay! Corporate State! They're the best!
Zorra
(27,670 posts)and get laid.
dchill
(38,464 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)The guy's a gas.
"Scientific advisory panels at the Department of Energy and the EPA have enumerated ways the industry could improve and have called for modest steps, such as establishing maximum contaminant levels allowed in water for all the chemicals used in fracking. Unfortunately, these recommendations do not address the biggest loophole of all. In 2005 Congressat the behest of then Vice President Dick Cheney, a former CEO of gas driller Halliburtonexempted fracking from regulation under the Safe Drinking Water Act. Congress needs to close this so-called Halliburton loophole, as a bill co-sponsored by New York State Representative Maurice Hinchey would do. The FRAC Act would also mandate public disclosure of all chemicals used in fracking across the nation."
-- Scientific American, Nov. 2011, "Safety First, Fracking Second"
vintx
(1,748 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)...remember she has been on our side for decades, and think of the common good, which is beating the Nazi.
Still, for as smart as he is, he didn't know about UBS -- and, like so many people, showed little interest in learning.
People really fear "wasting their beautiful mind on something like that."
vintx
(1,748 posts)It's incredible how things which used to matter on this site have suddenly become all but invisible to too many here.
Downwinder
(12,869 posts)of about $6K per mo.
I don't make the choice.
I don't set the price.
I am only the transfer point.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Everything old is new again:
Trickle-Up Economics.
Downwinder
(12,869 posts)Consumers are necessary. Without consumers there is no necessity for Free Trade.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)And if you gotta ask how come? You ain't got the right green stuff.
Penny Pritzker's Commerce (Part Two)
Rick Perlstein
The Nation on May 6, 2013 - 2:12 PM ET
Did you know that in the early 1970s, the Internal Revenue Service investigated the Pritzker family, whose scion Penny Pritzker has just been tapped by President Obama to become Secretary of Commerce, because their Hyatt Corporation was paying no taxes? And that in the course of the inquiry, an IRS statement quoted an informant with access to the records of the offshore bank where they hid their assets that the family, through their Hyatt Corporation, received their initial backing from organized crime?
Did you know that this particular financial institution, Castle Bank & Trust of the Bahamas, was founded by a veteran of the wartime spy agency the Office of Strategic Services who specialized in creating front organizations for the CIA, and helped launder funds for attempts to overthrow Fidel Castro? That Castle operated by arranging for a Miami bank controlled by associates of mobster Meyer Lansky to accept the original deposits, which it then passed on to Castle with only code numbers, but not names, attached?
Did you know that the IRS dropped a major investigation of Castle in 1977, according to The Wall Street Journal, at the behest of the Central Intelligence Agency?
And did you know one of the banks cofounders, the late Burton Kanter, was on the board of the Hyatt Hotels Corporation, and thatas The Kansas City Times discovered in a 1982 Pulitzer Prizewinning investigation following the collapse of a shoddily constructed skywalk that killed 114 at a Hyatt in 1981the Pritzkers were Castle Banks largest depositors?
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http://www.thenation.com/blog/174197/penny-pritzkers-commerce-part-two#
Without you, they might have to pay for lawyers and stuff. Of course, without you, we don't really have Democracy, Downwinder.
Downwinder
(12,869 posts)Baobab
(4,667 posts)or its around election time.
Sorry, America.
Downwinder
(12,869 posts)Jitter65
(3,089 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)Democrats once believed that every human being mattered, not just the rich.
During the Depression, when millions of factory jobs disappeared, FDR realized he had to use the powers of government to create jobs.
Unfortunately for us who still believe there's a difference between the Republicans and Democrats, that idea today sounds alien.
NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)primarily for the top 10%, whereas the GOP advocate primarily for the top 1%. Both parties consider the rest of the population not fitting in to these two advocate groups to simply be undesirables, freeloaders, super-predators, and chits for the private prison industry.
firebrand80
(2,760 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)By Tom Putnam | GLOBE CORRESPONDENT JANUARY 24, 2012
DURING THE last days of his presidency, John F. Kennedy had a number of concerns on his mind. In tapes being released today by the Kennedy Library, we hear, for example, the president focus on his reelection and issues of economic inequality. What can we do, he asks his political advisers, to make voters decide that they want to vote for us, Democrats? What is it we have to sell em? We hope we have to sell them prosperity, but for the average guy the prosperity is nil. Hes not unprosperous, but hes not very prosperous. Hes not . . . very well-off. And the people who really are well-off hate our guts. As questions about growing social inequity increasingly dominate our current political dialogue, it may be instructive to look back at how these issues played out a half century ago.
Having witnessed the country survive the Great Depression and World War II, JFK understood the economic and military vulnerabilities of democratic capitalism. Though insulated by his familys wealth, JFK was affected by the poverty he witnessed on the 1960 campaign trail. One of the memorable lines from his inaugural address if a free society cannot help the many who are poor, it cannot save the few who are rich helps explain his first executive order: increasing surplus food allotments to poor communities across the nation.
Once in power, his economic policies were ideologically balanced, combining, for example, a proposed tax cut to stimulate the economy with efforts to raise the minimum wage and expand unemployment benefits. Like the current incumbent, JFKs legislative efforts - especially those designed to help the poor and advance civil rights - were often stymied by members of Congress. During his 1962 State of the Union address he reminded his congressional colleagues: The Constitution makes us not rivals for power but partners for progress. . . It is my task to report the State of the Union - to improve it is the task of us all.
In terms of his administrations relationship with the really well-off, his most famous confrontation came during the steel crisis in 1962. Having helped to negotiate a non-inflationary wage settlement with the United Steelworkers Union, Kennedy thought he had an agreement with industry executives that, in exchange, they would not raise the price of steel that year.
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http://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2012/01/24/jfk-offers-lessons-income-equality/ST1GsaQM77N0mWXoG8GT4L/story.html
Mass Denial in the Assassination of President Kennedy
Waiting For Everyman
(9,385 posts)The most expensive thing to have in this life, by far, is character. That's why I value people who have it so highly.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)My grandfather taught be that about character. He'd pronounce it, at times: ka-RACK-ter to help me remember.
He also taught me: "They can take away everything you own -- even the shirt off your back, but they can't take away what you know."
Thank you, Waiting For Everyman. Among other important things, you know right from wrong.
Waiting For Everyman
(9,385 posts)And I am certain your grandfather was/is too. I completely agree with him, what we know and understand is real wealth, the physical kind can be gone in an instant.
As the old Stoneground song goes "you must be one of us", I find myself thinking that here sometimes, it's why I like the place.
I know this is a corny thing to do, but this is for the theme of your OP, which did actually occur in a big way among the boomers as life got underway. I suppose it happens to every generation to some degree. But having been hippies and protesters, which was a somewhat idealistic and genuine undertaking, the selling out among us seemed more stark.
Then too, I think very few have any idea that as an after-effect of COINTELPRO, a huge number were actually blackballed via the Rand list for much of their lives. On the vet side, those who were "inconvenient witnesses" to various things that still aren't admitted to this day, were blackballed and worse via SPN numbers (which was unknown, and then when discovered was vehemently denied as "conspiracy theory" for quite a while; now there is a new unified system done via bank codes).
Many watched their rightful places in society being taken by B, C, and D listers, en masse. How many know that Bill Clinton spied for the CIA in college? That sort of thing was commonly done by some among us. And they soared to the top (and to this day there are concessions to "their own" , but their character deficit remained the same. We all watched this happen and we knew what was going on. The 80s greed followed directly from it, and then the 90s as we know, and the rest.
So the theme of this song was very real at the time (1976, I was 26 and the harassment was at its height), and of course still is.
And this (1980) is for the flip side, for those who choose to keep paying the price, rather than give in to those who would oppress us all.
I had to smile the other day to see that Jackson, Graham Nash, David Crosby, and Bonnie Raitt, among so many others of course, are all Sanders supporters.
haikugal
(6,476 posts)Waiting For Everyman
(9,385 posts)haikugal! (And thanks for the roll-y guy earlier.)
vintx
(1,748 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)http://whatsthematterwithkansas.com/2014/02/whats-still-the-matter-with-kansas/
To the right. Ever to the right.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)felix_numinous
(5,198 posts)ruthlessness is wisdom, obedience is virtue.
Ah, the illusion of control, the tighter the grasp, the more is lost.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)But, we can't. Under the "Help Wanted" sign in the window, it reads: "Liberals need not apply." Which means people who think are dangerous:
Leo Strauss' Philosophy of Deception
Many neoconservatives like Paul Wolfowitz are disciples of a philosopher who believed that the elite should use deception, religious fervor and perpetual war to control the ignorant masses.
By Jim Lobe / AlterNet May 18, 2003
What would you do if you wanted to topple Saddam Hussein, but your intelligence agencies couldn't find the evidence to justify a war?
A follower of Leo Strauss may just hire the "right" kind of men to get the job done people with the intellect, acuity, and, if necessary, the political commitment, polemical skills, and, above all, the imagination to find the evidence that career intelligence officers could not detect.
The "right" man for Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz, suggests Seymour Hersh in his recent New Yorker article entitled 'Selective Intelligence,' was Abram Shulsky, director of the Office of Special Plans (OSP) an agency created specifically to find the evidence of WMDs and/or links with Al Qaeda, piece it together, and clinch the case for the invasion of Iraq.
Like Wolfowitz, Shulsky is a student of an obscure German Jewish political philosopher named Leo Strauss who arrived in the United States in 1938. Strauss taught at several major universities, including Wolfowitz and Shulsky's alma mater, the University of Chicago, before his death in 1973.
Strauss is a popular figure among the neoconservatives. Adherents of his ideas include prominent figures both within and outside the administration. They include 'Weekly Standard' editor William Kristol; his father and indeed the godfather of the neoconservative movement, Irving Kristol; the new Undersecretary of Defense for Intelligence, Stephen Cambone, a number of senior fellows at the American Enterprise Institute (AEI) (home to former Defense Policy Board chairman Richard Perle and Lynne Cheney), and Gary Schmitt, the director of the influential Project for the New American Century (PNAC), which is chaired by Kristol the Younger.
Strauss' philosophy is hardly incidental to the strategy and mindset adopted by these men as is obvious in Shulsky's 1999 essay titled "Leo Strauss and the World of Intelligence (By Which We Do Not Mean Nous)" (in Greek philosophy the term nous denotes the highest form of rationality). As Hersh notes in his article, Shulsky and his co-author Schmitt "criticize America's intelligence community for its failure to appreciate the duplicitous nature of the regimes it deals with, its susceptibility to social-science notions of proof, and its inability to cope with deliberate concealment." They argued that Strauss's idea of hidden meaning, "alerts one to the possibility that political life may be closely linked to deception. Indeed, it suggests that deception is the norm in political life, and the hope, to say nothing of the expectation, of establishing a politics that can dispense with it is the exception."
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http://www.alternet.org/story/15935/leo_strauss%27_philosophy_of_deception
Harnessing humanity through religion, perpetual war and all manner of manipulation and subterfuge, NEOCONCOM is strategically positioned to invent that wonderful future of wars without end for profits without cease so very necessary for progress among the most deserving and exclusive segment of society.
Thought medicine for unlocking the healthy mind from Lao Tzu, via Jane English and the late Gia-Fu Feng:
Tao Te Ching
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)stop your whining!
CentralMass
(15,265 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)I like it! It's about time someone started getting paid real money for talking.
As a reformed journalist and frustrated bum poet, I know there's no money in telling the truth.
haikugal
(6,476 posts)disillusioned73
(2,872 posts)for Octafish - one of the greats
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)seriously: http://www.trumanlibrary.org/speaks.htm
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)snooper2
(30,151 posts)know anything about installation of telecom gear in a central office environment?
What you do for a living now?