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Thu Jun 2, 2016, 08:10 AM

I'm tired of living POOR! I'm gonna be a New Democrat!

I'm gonna live RICH!



Gonna be friends with Banksters and the FIRE people.
Gonna be friends with Big Oil and the mineral extraction people.
Gonna be friends with Big Pharma and Big Agra people.
Gonna be friends with the Money Trumps Peace crowd who offshore their loot in Swiss banks.

Gonna lose all my friends in the Old Democratic Party.

You know who I'm talking about:

The not-rich-by-their-own-choice People.
The Poor.
The Working Poor.
The Middle Classes.

Too bad. So sad.

Losers.

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Reply I'm tired of living POOR! I'm gonna be a New Democrat! (Original post)
Octafish Jun 2016 OP
PeoViejo Jun 2016 #1
hobbit709 Jun 2016 #3
Lizzie Poppet Jun 2016 #6
Octafish Jun 2016 #8
JRLeft Jun 2016 #14
haikugal Jun 2016 #26
MrMickeysMom Jun 2016 #31
Zorra Jun 2016 #36
dchill Jun 2016 #2
Octafish Jun 2016 #9
vintx Jun 2016 #19
Octafish Jun 2016 #38
vintx Jun 2016 #40
Downwinder Jun 2016 #4
Octafish Jun 2016 #11
Downwinder Jun 2016 #13
Octafish Jun 2016 #18
Downwinder Jun 2016 #21
Baobab Jun 2016 #32
Downwinder Jun 2016 #33
Jitter65 Jun 2016 #5
Octafish Jun 2016 #12
NorthCarolina Jun 2016 #15
firebrand80 Jun 2016 #7
Octafish Jun 2016 #16
Waiting For Everyman Jun 2016 #10
Octafish Jun 2016 #17
Waiting For Everyman Jun 2016 #22
haikugal Jun 2016 #27
Waiting For Everyman Jun 2016 #29
vintx Jun 2016 #20
nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #23
Octafish Jun 2016 #39
nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #44
felix_numinous Jun 2016 #24
Octafish Jun 2016 #42
Doctor_J Jun 2016 #25
CentralMass Jun 2016 #30
Octafish Jun 2016 #43
haikugal Jun 2016 #28
disillusioned73 Jun 2016 #34
Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #35
hobbit709 Jun 2016 #37
snooper2 Jun 2016 #41

Response to Octafish (Original post)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 08:13 AM

1. Be a Republican without the guilt.

 

Money: the great appeaser of Moral Values.

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Response to PeoViejo (Reply #1)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 08:18 AM

3. Amazing how that works.

Like the one about 20 years ago here in TX. These people bought a lottery ticket for their mother. She won $10 mill. They had her on the news talking about how she was a good Southern Baptist woman and she believed gambling was a sin. She didn't hesitate in accepting the check either.

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Response to PeoViejo (Reply #1)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 08:34 AM

6. WOW! You just hit the nail on the head!

 

Neolib/Third Way/Clintonist thought in a nutshell: all the self-centered, materialistic priorities...sans the guilt of being a Republican.

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Response to PeoViejo (Reply #1)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 08:47 AM

8. "A Conservative Government is an organised hypocrisy." -- Benjamin Disraeli

Money! I always wanted to be part of something bigger than my government.

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Response to PeoViejo (Reply #1)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 10:11 AM

14. That was a description of the Democratic party, but you can apply it to the GOP too.

 

How fucked up is that?

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Response to PeoViejo (Reply #1)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 04:32 PM

26. Damn!!! BINGO!!!

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Response to PeoViejo (Reply #1)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 05:13 PM

31. Be a DINO and feel the same way...

Money is the GREAT equalizer!

Yay! Corporate State! They're the best!

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Response to PeoViejo (Reply #1)

Fri Jun 3, 2016, 08:17 AM

36. New Democrats are Republicans who like to smoke dope

and get laid.

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Response to Octafish (Original post)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 08:17 AM

2. Frack it! Me, too!

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Response to dchill (Reply #2)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 08:52 AM

9. Gonna channel Cheney!

The guy's a gas.



"Scientific advisory panels at the Department of Energy and the EPA have enumerated ways the industry could improve and have called for modest steps, such as establishing maximum contaminant levels allowed in water for all the chemicals used in fracking. Unfortunately, these recommendations do not address the biggest loophole of all. In 2005 Congress—at the behest of then Vice President Dick Cheney, a former CEO of gas driller Halliburton—exempted fracking from regulation under the Safe Drinking Water Act. Congress needs to close this so-called Halliburton loophole, as a bill co-sponsored by New York State Representative Maurice Hinchey would do. The FRAC Act would also mandate public disclosure of all chemicals used in fracking across the nation."

-- Scientific American, Nov. 2011, "Safety First, Fracking Second"

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Response to Octafish (Reply #9)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 10:38 AM

19. Sigh. I cannot ever vote for her. nr

 

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Response to vintx (Reply #19)

Fri Jun 3, 2016, 08:55 AM

38. One of my most politically advanced friends said we must forget she's owned by Wall Street...

...remember she has been on our side for decades, and think of the common good, which is beating the Nazi.

Still, for as smart as he is, he didn't know about UBS -- and, like so many people, showed little interest in learning.

People really fear "wasting their beautiful mind on something like that."

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Response to Octafish (Reply #38)

Fri Jun 3, 2016, 09:01 AM

40. It's like a team sport now. People don't seem to actually care about policies

 

It's incredible how things which used to matter on this site have suddenly become all but invisible to too many here.

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Response to Octafish (Original post)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 08:26 AM

4. I'm already friends with Big Pharma to the tune

of about $6K per mo.

I don't make the choice.

I don't set the price.

I am only the transfer point.

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Response to Downwinder (Reply #4)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 09:06 AM

11. Gonna be a model citizen.

Everything old is new again:

Trickle-Up Economics.

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Response to Octafish (Reply #11)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 09:12 AM

13. Have to stay around.

Consumers are necessary. Without consumers there is no necessity for Free Trade.

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Response to Downwinder (Reply #13)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 10:27 AM

18. It's like science why we gotta help the Banksters.

And if you gotta ask how come? You ain't got the right green stuff.



Penny Pritzker's Commerce (Part Two)

Rick Perlstein
The Nation on May 6, 2013 - 2:12 PM ET

Did you know that in the early 1970s, the Internal Revenue Service investigated the Pritzker family, whose scion Penny Pritzker has just been tapped by President Obama to become Secretary of Commerce, because their Hyatt Corporation was paying no taxes? And that in the course of the inquiry, an IRS statement quoted an informant with access to the records of the offshore bank where they hid their assets that the family, “through their Hyatt Corporation, received their initial backing from organized crime”?

Did you know that this particular financial institution, Castle Bank & Trust of the Bahamas, was founded by a veteran of the wartime spy agency the Office of Strategic Services who specialized in creating front organizations for the CIA, and helped launder funds for attempts to overthrow Fidel Castro? That Castle operated by arranging for a Miami bank controlled by associates of mobster Meyer Lansky to accept the original deposits, which it then passed on to Castle with only code numbers, but not names, attached?

Did you know that the IRS dropped a major investigation of Castle in 1977, according to The Wall Street Journal, at the behest of the Central Intelligence Agency?

And did you know one of the bank’s cofounders, the late Burton Kanter, was on the board of the Hyatt Hotels Corporation, and that—as The Kansas City Times discovered in a 1982 Pulitzer Prize–winning investigation following the collapse of a shoddily constructed skywalk that killed 114 at a Hyatt in 1981—the Pritzkers were Castle Bank’s largest depositors?

CONTINUED...

http://www.thenation.com/blog/174197/penny-pritzkers-commerce-part-two#



Without you, they might have to pay for lawyers and stuff. Of course, without you, we don't really have Democracy, Downwinder.

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Response to Octafish (Reply #18)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 11:04 AM

21. At one time I was employed by Jay.

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Response to Downwinder (Reply #21)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 05:24 PM

32. As a rule, they arent interested in people unless they are a multinational corporation.

or its around election time.

Sorry, America.

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Response to Baobab (Reply #32)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 05:41 PM

33. Management by spreadsheet.

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Response to Octafish (Original post)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 08:31 AM

5. If you have any job at all, you are probably already connected to one of these corporate entities.

 

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Response to Jitter65 (Reply #5)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 09:09 AM

12. Gonna make my point with you.

Democrats once believed that every human being mattered, not just the rich.

During the Depression, when millions of factory jobs disappeared, FDR realized he had to use the powers of government to create jobs.

Unfortunately for us who still believe there's a difference between the Republicans and Democrats, that idea today sounds alien.


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Response to Octafish (Reply #12)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 10:16 AM

15. Currently, the Dems advocate

 

primarily for the top 10%, whereas the GOP advocate primarily for the top 1%. Both parties consider the rest of the population not fitting in to these two advocate groups to simply be undesirables, freeloaders, super-predators, and chits for the private prison industry.

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Response to Octafish (Original post)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 08:35 AM

7. Come on in, the water's fine. nt

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Response to firebrand80 (Reply #7)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 10:18 AM

16. I'm one of those avoid-the-boiling-frog kind of guys.



JFK tapes offer lesson in income inequality

By Tom Putnam | GLOBE CORRESPONDENT JANUARY 24, 2012

DURING THE last days of his presidency, John F. Kennedy had a number of concerns on his mind. In tapes being released today by the Kennedy Library, we hear, for example, the president focus on his reelection and issues of economic inequality. What can we do, he asks his political advisers, to make voters “decide that they want to vote for us, Democrats? What is it we have to sell ’em? We hope we have to sell them prosperity, but for the average guy the prosperity is nil. He’s not unprosperous, but he’s not very prosperous. He’s not . . . very well-off. And the people who really are well-off hate our guts.’’ As questions about growing social inequity increasingly dominate our current political dialogue, it may be instructive to look back at how these issues played out a half century ago.

Having witnessed the country survive the Great Depression and World War II, JFK understood the economic and military vulnerabilities of democratic capitalism. Though insulated by his family’s wealth, JFK was affected by the poverty he witnessed on the 1960 campaign trail. One of the memorable lines from his inaugural address “if a free society cannot help the many who are poor, it cannot save the few who are rich’’ helps explain his first executive order: increasing surplus food allotments to poor communities across the nation.

Once in power, his economic policies were ideologically balanced, combining, for example, a proposed tax cut to stimulate the economy with efforts to raise the minimum wage and expand unemployment benefits. Like the current incumbent, JFK’s legislative efforts - especially those designed to help the poor and advance civil rights - were often stymied by members of Congress. During his 1962 State of the Union address he reminded his congressional colleagues: “The Constitution makes us not rivals for power but partners for progress. . . It is my task to report the State of the Union - to improve it is the task of us all.’’

In terms of his administration’s relationship with the “really well-off,’’ his most famous confrontation came during the steel crisis in 1962. Having helped to negotiate a non-inflationary wage settlement with the United Steelworkers Union, Kennedy thought he had an agreement with industry executives that, in exchange, they would not raise the price of steel that year.

CONTINUED...

http://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2012/01/24/jfk-offers-lessons-income-equality/ST1GsaQM77N0mWXoG8GT4L/story.html


Mass Denial in the Assassination of President Kennedy

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Response to Octafish (Original post)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 08:53 AM

10. Truth: anybody can be rich if they are amoral.

The most expensive thing to have in this life, by far, is character. That's why I value people who have it so highly.

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Response to Waiting For Everyman (Reply #10)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 10:20 AM

17. You brought a happy tear to my eye!

My grandfather taught be that about character. He'd pronounce it, at times: ka-RACK-ter to help me remember.

He also taught me: "They can take away everything you own -- even the shirt off your back, but they can't take away what you know."

Thank you, Waiting For Everyman. Among other important things, you know right from wrong.

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Response to Octafish (Reply #17)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 12:23 PM

22. You're one of those valuable people, Octafish!

And I am certain your grandfather was/is too. I completely agree with him, what we know and understand is real wealth, the physical kind can be gone in an instant.

As the old Stoneground song goes "you must be one of us", I find myself thinking that here sometimes, it's why I like the place.


I know this is a corny thing to do, but this is for the theme of your OP, which did actually occur in a big way among the boomers as life got underway. I suppose it happens to every generation to some degree. But having been hippies and protesters, which was a somewhat idealistic and genuine undertaking, the selling out among us seemed more stark.

Then too, I think very few have any idea that as an after-effect of COINTELPRO, a huge number were actually blackballed via the Rand list for much of their lives. On the vet side, those who were "inconvenient witnesses" to various things that still aren't admitted to this day, were blackballed and worse via SPN numbers (which was unknown, and then when discovered was vehemently denied as "conspiracy theory" for quite a while; now there is a new unified system done via bank codes).

Many watched their rightful places in society being taken by B, C, and D listers, en masse. How many know that Bill Clinton spied for the CIA in college? That sort of thing was commonly done by some among us. And they soared to the top (and to this day there are concessions to "their own", but their character deficit remained the same. We all watched this happen and we knew what was going on. The 80s greed followed directly from it, and then the 90s as we know, and the rest.

So the theme of this song was very real at the time (1976, I was 26 and the harassment was at its height), and of course still is.




And this (1980) is for the flip side, for those who choose to keep paying the price, rather than give in to those who would oppress us all.



I had to smile the other day to see that Jackson, Graham Nash, David Crosby, and Bonnie Raitt, among so many others of course, are all Sanders supporters.

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Response to Waiting For Everyman (Reply #22)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 04:40 PM

27. Telling....Thanks for a great posting!!

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Response to haikugal (Reply #27)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 04:54 PM

29. Thanks,

haikugal! (And thanks for the roll-y guy earlier.)

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Response to Waiting For Everyman (Reply #10)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 10:40 AM

20. THIS

 

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Response to Octafish (Original post)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 12:27 PM

23. What's the matter with Kansas

 

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #23)

Fri Jun 3, 2016, 09:00 AM

39. The good people of Kansas know something is wrong.

“Out here the gravity of discontent pulls in only one direction: To the right, to the right, farther to the right. Strip today’s Kansans of their job security, and they head out to become registered Republicans. Push them off their land and next thing you know they’re protesting in front of abortion clinics. Squander their life savings on manicures for the CEO and there’s a good chance they’ll join the John Birch Society. But ask them about the remedies their ancestors proposed (unions, antitrust, public ownership), and you might as well be referring to the days when knighthood was in flower.” -- Thomas Frank

http://whatsthematterwithkansas.com/2014/02/whats-still-the-matter-with-kansas/


To the right. Ever to the right.

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Response to Octafish (Reply #39)

Fri Jun 3, 2016, 10:42 AM

44. The conclusion. We are all going to be rich...someday

 

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Response to Octafish (Original post)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 12:48 PM

24. Force is strength,

ruthlessness is wisdom, obedience is virtue.

Ah, the illusion of control, the tighter the grasp, the more is lost.



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Response to felix_numinous (Reply #24)

Fri Jun 3, 2016, 09:11 AM

42. We should apply for jobs with NEOCONCOM, the Controlling People.

But, we can't. Under the "Help Wanted" sign in the window, it reads: "Liberals need not apply." Which means people who think are dangerous:





Leo Strauss' Philosophy of Deception

Many neoconservatives like Paul Wolfowitz are disciples of a philosopher who believed that the elite should use deception, religious fervor and perpetual war to control the ignorant masses.

By Jim Lobe / AlterNet May 18, 2003

What would you do if you wanted to topple Saddam Hussein, but your intelligence agencies couldn't find the evidence to justify a war?

A follower of Leo Strauss may just hire the "right" kind of men to get the job done – people with the intellect, acuity, and, if necessary, the political commitment, polemical skills, and, above all, the imagination to find the evidence that career intelligence officers could not detect.

The "right" man for Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz, suggests Seymour Hersh in his recent New Yorker article entitled 'Selective Intelligence,' was Abram Shulsky, director of the Office of Special Plans (OSP) – an agency created specifically to find the evidence of WMDs and/or links with Al Qaeda, piece it together, and clinch the case for the invasion of Iraq.

Like Wolfowitz, Shulsky is a student of an obscure German Jewish political philosopher named Leo Strauss who arrived in the United States in 1938. Strauss taught at several major universities, including Wolfowitz and Shulsky's alma mater, the University of Chicago, before his death in 1973.

Strauss is a popular figure among the neoconservatives. Adherents of his ideas include prominent figures both within and outside the administration. They include 'Weekly Standard' editor William Kristol; his father and indeed the godfather of the neoconservative movement, Irving Kristol; the new Undersecretary of Defense for Intelligence, Stephen Cambone, a number of senior fellows at the American Enterprise Institute (AEI) (home to former Defense Policy Board chairman Richard Perle and Lynne Cheney), and Gary Schmitt, the director of the influential Project for the New American Century (PNAC), which is chaired by Kristol the Younger.

Strauss' philosophy is hardly incidental to the strategy and mindset adopted by these men – as is obvious in Shulsky's 1999 essay titled "Leo Strauss and the World of Intelligence (By Which We Do Not Mean Nous)" (in Greek philosophy the term nous denotes the highest form of rationality). As Hersh notes in his article, Shulsky and his co-author Schmitt "criticize America's intelligence community for its failure to appreciate the duplicitous nature of the regimes it deals with, its susceptibility to social-science notions of proof, and its inability to cope with deliberate concealment." They argued that Strauss's idea of hidden meaning, "alerts one to the possibility that political life may be closely linked to deception. Indeed, it suggests that deception is the norm in political life, and the hope, to say nothing of the expectation, of establishing a politics that can dispense with it is the exception."

CONTINUED...

http://www.alternet.org/story/15935/leo_strauss%27_philosophy_of_deception



Harnessing humanity through religion, perpetual war and all manner of manipulation and subterfuge, NEOCONCOM is strategically positioned to invent that wonderful future of wars without end for profits without cease so very necessary for progress among the most deserving and exclusive segment of society.

Thought medicine for unlocking the healthy mind from Lao Tzu, via Jane English and the late Gia-Fu Feng:

Tao Te Ching

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Response to Octafish (Original post)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 04:01 PM

25. Time for you to stop being a deadbeat! Book a quarter million dollar speech to wall street and

 

stop your whining!

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Response to Doctor_J (Reply #25)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 05:11 PM

30. Its great work if you can get it.

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Response to Doctor_J (Reply #25)

Fri Jun 3, 2016, 09:21 AM

43. The Monetization of Democracy

I like it! It's about time someone started getting paid real money for talking.

As a reformed journalist and frustrated bum poet, I know there's no money in telling the truth.

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Response to Octafish (Original post)

Thu Jun 2, 2016, 04:41 PM

28. Another excellent threat Octafish!!! My thanks and K&R!!!

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Response to Octafish (Original post)

Fri Jun 3, 2016, 07:59 AM

34. K&R..

 

for Octafish - one of the greats


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Response to Octafish (Original post)

Fri Jun 3, 2016, 08:06 AM

35. "An honest public servant can't become rich in politics." - Harry Truman

 

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Reply #35)

Fri Jun 3, 2016, 08:19 AM

37. Well, we know which one is rich and which one isn't, don't we?

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Response to Octafish (Original post)

Fri Jun 3, 2016, 09:07 AM

41. maybe not rich, but how about a solid 80-100K a year? Want a job in Texas?

 

know anything about installation of telecom gear in a central office environment?

What you do for a living now?

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