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berni_mccoy

(23,018 posts)
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 01:17 PM Jun 2016

Snowden Destroys Hillary

From: https://mobile.twitter.com/Snowden/status/738014840543797249?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

Break classification rules for the public's benefit, and you could be exiled.

Do it for personal benefit, and you could be President.


For the record, I have never liked Snowden and I still feel he should be brought to justice. So don't even attempt to use the double-standard on me. You can check any of my posts regarding the topic.
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Snowden Destroys Hillary (Original Post) berni_mccoy Jun 2016 OP
I doubt Hillary was destroyed jberryhill Jun 2016 #1
Destroyed I tell you!!! Rex Jun 2016 #26
Rex, you and I have not interacted much lately Aerows Jun 2016 #86
Love you Aerows! Yeah been a while my friend. Rex Jun 2016 #94
You can't make gumbo without okra. Aerows Jun 2016 #96
Another reason to vote for Hillary. kstewart33 Jun 2016 #85
What? Aerows Jun 2016 #95
Snowden is a Ron Paul fanatic. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #139
Who? randome Jun 2016 #2
How do you say "Feel The Bern" in Russian KittyWampus Jun 2016 #109
Literally, like this: Почувствуйте Бернской. randome Jun 2016 #110
In Russia, the Bern feels you!! Separation Jun 2016 #111
That's the one! randome Jun 2016 #113
Edward Snowden was a lying, ... Tortmaster Jun 2016 #131
Snowden wasn't exiled. He fled to the enemy. Renew Deal Jun 2016 #3
Snowden proved that whistleblowers are so vulnerable that running off to Russia.. Kentonio Jun 2016 #18
He was for whistleblowers being "shot in the balls" until Obama became president brush Jun 2016 #39
Actually, I think he was for it until he saw how the US was violating Fawke Em Jun 2016 #62
Curious that you avoided Snowden's quote about "whistleblowers should be shot in the balls" brush Jun 2016 #70
Perhaps he's evolved. frylock Jun 2016 #90
Lol. Funny how they selectively allow for that. Authoritarianism explains a lot. JonLeibowitz Jun 2016 #127
Russia is our enemy??? Herman4747 Jun 2016 #37
Righties like to reenact the Cold War. senz Jun 2016 #93
You DON'T think fascist Russia is our enemy? Lord Magus Jun 2016 #140
Life must not be pleasant if... Herman4747 Jun 2016 #142
Price of "friendship" with Russia is overturning the post-WW2 consensus of no expansion by conquest. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #147
And what exactly is the price of being their enemy? Herman4747 Jun 2016 #148
Ok .................. cstanleytech Jun 2016 #63
Right,? And Who knew all he actually had to do was run for president to be free!! 2banon Jun 2016 #119
So Do You Equally Dislike HRC cantbeserious Jun 2016 #4
I believe she should be equally held accountable for her mishandling of classified info berni_mccoy Jun 2016 #6
There's still that annoying problem about 'intent', though. randome Jun 2016 #12
"Sorry officer! I didn't know the speed limit... TCJ70 Jun 2016 #51
But 'intent' is, um, INTENTIONALLY written into the laws regarding classified info leaks. randome Jun 2016 #65
How many times do you HRC supporters have to be told "intent" is not necessary? Fawke Em Jun 2016 #64
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2016 #82
You use 'released' and 'mishandle' interchangeably. randome Jun 2016 #83
The point being raised is that she was too ignorant libdem4life Jun 2016 #108
She should have had aides that stood up to her more, perhaps. randome Jun 2016 #123
Yes, our delicate flower. Maybe she should have had aides that were not libdem4life Jun 2016 #133
Here's the thing the law states about intent Mother Of Four Jun 2016 #112
Only if charges are brought and she is found to be guilty of something. randome Jun 2016 #118
I commented on this on another thread so Ill copy & past it here Separation Jun 2016 #114
Sounds like you had launch codes in those cabinets! randome Jun 2016 #116
You would be surprised at the unimpressive or uncool stuff that can be classified. :) Separation Jun 2016 #138
.that^ 840high Jun 2016 #75
Do you think we should have two separate and unequal standards of justice? pdsimdars Jun 2016 #80
Just Assessing Consistency cantbeserious Jun 2016 #89
I have spoken highly of Snowden but that is just stupid on his part. NCTraveler Jun 2016 #5
Why? Should he instead of pointed out the servicemen serving jail time for less egregious offenses? Kentonio Jun 2016 #20
Read your sentence multiple times and can't make sense of it. Thanks. nt. NCTraveler Jun 2016 #25
That's ok, I'm sure when you move up to big school you'll pick up new words. Kentonio Jun 2016 #27
I wasn't being snarky but thanks for the personal attack. NCTraveler Jun 2016 #36
Ok, sorry. Thought you were. Kentonio Jun 2016 #38
You bring a lot of excitement. NCTraveler Jun 2016 #41
That subject line was hard to understand thesquanderer Jun 2016 #57
I can't help but notice you didn't actually address the point or explain exactly Marr Jun 2016 #53
It's what I do best. Thanks for noticing. NCTraveler Jun 2016 #58
Snowden could probably get elected president of DU oberliner Jun 2016 #7
DU is 85% Bernie people. Gomez163 Jun 2016 #13
Because Bernie is the REAL D/democrat Carolina Jun 2016 #44
+1. JudyM Jun 2016 #100
I would certainly hope so. The "security state" isn't very popular in these parts. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2016 #52
He voted against the Democratic candidate for President in 2008 oberliner Jun 2016 #79
So did a lot of people and their still welcome here. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2016 #81
He'd have my vote. BillZBubb Jun 2016 #134
I know what you mean reddread Jun 2016 #8
I thought Bernie supporters were concerned about Hillary compromising classified info? Cali_Democrat Jun 2016 #9
And BOOM goes the dynamite--this is it, exactly. nt MADem Jun 2016 #15
Who INTENTIONALLY disclosed classified info. Big difference there right out of the gate. randome Jun 2016 #16
Yeah, that's a rather curious double standard. TwilightZone Jun 2016 #19
Actually this is the double standard that destroys the Hillary fans. Marr Jun 2016 #21
Snowden wasn't a whistleblower until Obama became president brush Jun 2016 #46
Completely irrelevant. The act was one of a whistleblower. /nt Marr Jun 2016 #48
That's your opinion Cali_Democrat Jun 2016 #60
So his "whistleblowers should be shot in the balls" comment means nothing? brush Jun 2016 #72
Hillary compromised classified info due to incompetence... Herman4747 Jun 2016 #42
Boom! Mic drop! Surya Gayatri Jun 2016 #55
Speaking of intent... Fawke Em Jun 2016 #66
Nope. Cali_Democrat Jun 2016 #74
Is it just me or does there seem to be an especially large number of flameouts in this forum today? Number23 Jun 2016 #137
What are you going to do after the pivot to the GE??? Gomez163 Jun 2016 #10
He's going to take early retirement, kick back, and observe the fruits of his labors. Surya Gayatri Jun 2016 #68
Work like hell to get someone else nominated at the convention. Fawke Em Jun 2016 #69
Imma lay low and wait for the FBI to recommend an indictment. frylock Jun 2016 #91
I'm with you on that one. If it happens. Big if. AntiBank Jun 2016 #128
I never liked Snowden... FarPoint Jun 2016 #11
Destroys? Really? Who's the presumptive POTUS nominee, and who is a prisoner in Putin's Russia? MADem Jun 2016 #14
I personally don't believe Snowden was in the wrong. VulgarPoet Jun 2016 #17
You nailed it, VP! farleftlib Jun 2016 #105
Weakest Attack on Hillary Ever! MineralMan Jun 2016 #22
want an explanation? boomer55 Jun 2016 #78
he wasn't exiled. he left. JI7 Jun 2016 #23
Exile notadmblnd Jun 2016 #43
He is threatened with trial upon return jberryhill Jun 2016 #49
Actually, I think Polanski fled post plea agreement... msanthrope Jun 2016 #125
Correction. He fled with stolen, classified info. He's a defector guilty of sedition . . . brush Jun 2016 #47
So the most vocal Hillary fans are also vehement Snowden haters. Kentonio Jun 2016 #24
The op is no Hillary fan. lol. nt. NCTraveler Jun 2016 #28
I was referring to the replies, not the op. Kentonio Jun 2016 #31
Whole Lotta Cognitive Dissonance Goin' On... AzDar Jun 2016 #34
I know! Reading Hillary Supporters dissing Snowden is making my tummy hurt laughing so hard 2banon Jun 2016 #121
Oh fuck Snowden. He's a traitor that should be punished. Lil Missy Jun 2016 #29
Without that 'traitor' you wouldn't know most of what you know today about domestic spying. Kentonio Jun 2016 #33
You are a hoot. I have often talked positively about the end result of Snowdens actions. NCTraveler Jun 2016 #40
I dont think he responded to you at all. Nt Logical Jun 2016 #84
Multiple times. NCTraveler Jun 2016 #88
A clarification: Many call him a traitor (actually he's guilty of sedition) because . . . brush Jun 2016 #50
Sorry but the evidence isnt there to support a charge of treason. Mind you I am not disagreeing cstanleytech Jun 2016 #59
Sedition is the operative word, and possibly espionage. He was in Europe for a few months . . . brush Jun 2016 #67
He is my hero. 840high Jun 2016 #76
Destroy? I think not. hrmjustin Jun 2016 #30
Well, that was super smart, wasn't it? BeyondGeography Jun 2016 #32
Says the traitor who skipped off to Russia and endorsed Bernie. RandySF Jun 2016 #35
Regarding these constant "________ DESTROYED __________" posts wyldwolf Jun 2016 #45
What personal benefit? annavictorious Jun 2016 #61
Isn't he still on the lam? redstateblues Jun 2016 #54
Snowden is a piece of shit republican that took the shit until Obama got in, then seabeyond Jun 2016 #56
Exactly. nt ucrdem Jun 2016 #73
Thank you Edward Snowden. Broward Jun 2016 #71
Snowden should be the Vice Presidential candidate for either candidate. Fuddnik Jun 2016 #77
Steal a little and they throw you in jail, steal a lot and they make you king - Dylan. NT. Juicy_Bellows Jun 2016 #87
I wonder if he cast an absentee ballot? MyNameGoesHere Jun 2016 #92
She didn't "break classification rules" Sparkly Jun 2016 #97
I thought Snowden would be married by now. randome Jun 2016 #98
Again with the fiance lie. Didn't I call out your lies years ago about that? DesMoinesDem Jun 2016 #102
What lies? All I'm saying is that his fiance appears to have vanished once more. randome Jun 2016 #104
You are the only person I have ever seen call her his fiance. She's his girlfriend. DesMoinesDem Jun 2016 #106
Okay, fine. Snowden's been out of the news for quite a while and I forgot. randome Jun 2016 #107
Source? JonLeibowitz Jun 2016 #129
Here it is. randome Jun 2016 #141
He didn't 'hint' they were going to be married. The DailyMail is trash and we don't know JonLeibowitz Jun 2016 #143
Agreed. It just seems strange that they were dating for 4-5 years before his run. randome Jun 2016 #144
Or maybe he doesn't believe in the institution of marriage JonLeibowitz Jun 2016 #146
Snowden is a hero. Hillary is a corrupt, lying politician. DesMoinesDem Jun 2016 #99
Agreed. nt AliceWonderland Jun 2016 #103
+1 eom Arazi Jun 2016 #132
Yes. BillZBubb Jun 2016 #135
I'll glad... MrWendel Jun 2016 #101
K & R nt findrskeep Jun 2016 #115
Snowden WISHES he could have hacked into Hillary's emails. JoePhilly Jun 2016 #117
Yeah, she seemed "destroyed" yesterday when she ripped Trump a new one. Beacool Jun 2016 #120
Trash yet another Dem2 Jun 2016 #122
Still availing himself of Putin's hospitality, I assume? baldguy Jun 2016 #124
If Snowden is such a badass RandySF Jun 2016 #126
Did he tweet that while sitting on Putin's lap? Metric System Jun 2016 #130
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jun 2016 #136
I would vote Snowden before Hillary. PowerToThePeople Jun 2016 #145
 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
86. Rex, you and I have not interacted much lately
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 03:15 PM
Jun 2016

and it's probably the primaries polarizing us.

You are a great DUer.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
94. Love you Aerows! Yeah been a while my friend.
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 07:15 PM
Jun 2016

Just trying to interject some humor into this scary forum. I would never turn on my good friends here just because they picked Pepsi and not Coke. Friendship transcends political choice imo.

How has your garden been treating you? We just ate some okra from ours last night, fresh okra is da bomb!

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
96. You can't make gumbo without okra.
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 04:27 AM
Jun 2016

The African word for okra is literally gumbo . Fresh from the garden is the best ingredient of quality gumbo!

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
110. Literally, like this: Почувствуйте Бернской.
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 01:23 PM
Jun 2016

But in Russia, you only need to spend a few hours in Siberia to feel the burn.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
113. That's the one!
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 02:57 PM
Jun 2016

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

Tortmaster

(382 posts)
131. Edward Snowden was a lying, ...
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 08:15 PM
Jun 2016

... Anarcho-Libertarian Ron Paul supporter, who decided he was smarter than the Supreme Court, Congress and the President and didn't have to follow the whistleblowing procedures established by our elected representatives.

In 2013, he stole top secret documents revealing the Government's data mining operation that was actually revealed in a USA Today front-page story some seven years earlier in 2006.

He then fled US soil to China and then Russia because he had also let this cat out of the bag: The United States Government spies on foreign people.

Now he, like Donald Trump, tries to remain relevant by tweeting inane silliness and taking any interviews offered by disreputable media. That is, if we are talking about the same Edward Snowden, and not the branch manager of the Kinkos in West Lafayette, Indiana.

 

Kentonio

(4,377 posts)
18. Snowden proved that whistleblowers are so vulnerable that running off to Russia..
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 01:30 PM
Jun 2016

Is about the only course of action they have available unless they want to spend 30 years in a federal prison.

brush

(53,759 posts)
39. He was for whistleblowers being "shot in the balls" until Obama became president
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 01:41 PM
Jun 2016

Google it.

He's a defector guilty of sedition.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
62. Actually, I think he was for it until he saw how the US was violating
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 02:04 PM
Jun 2016

the Constitution.

Obama just happened to be president when he opened his eyes to that reality.

brush

(53,759 posts)
70. Curious that you avoided Snowden's quote about "whistleblowers should be shot in the balls"
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 02:18 PM
Jun 2016

That doesn't sound like someone too concerned about the Constitution.

It sounds like the right wing repug he was before he suddenly "got his eyes opened to reality".

The reality was most likely a black president.

How else do you explain his "whistleblowers should be shot in the balls" comment when Bush was president?

 

Herman4747

(1,825 posts)
37. Russia is our enemy???
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 01:40 PM
Jun 2016

How many other enemies do you have? Of course, Hillary regards Iran as our enemy, so your list might start with that country.

Lord Magus

(1,999 posts)
140. You DON'T think fascist Russia is our enemy?
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 02:37 AM
Jun 2016

They're certainly not our friend. Iran is closer to be a friend of America than Russia is to being one.

 

Herman4747

(1,825 posts)
142. Life must not be pleasant if...
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 06:51 AM
Jun 2016

...you're declaring all kinds of people to be your enemies.
As for me, I have nothing against the Russian people.
A quote, just for you:
"Do I not destroy my enemies when I make them my friends?" -- Abraham Lincoln

Lord Magus

(1,999 posts)
147. Price of "friendship" with Russia is overturning the post-WW2 consensus of no expansion by conquest.
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 10:13 PM
Jun 2016

Unless they renounce their current fascist leadership, they can't be our friends.

 

Herman4747

(1,825 posts)
148. And what exactly is the price of being their enemy?
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 08:16 AM
Jun 2016

You don't have to be their friend, but why do you want to be their enemy???

cstanleytech

(26,276 posts)
63. Ok ..................
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 02:04 PM
Jun 2016

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2banon

(7,321 posts)
119. Right,? And Who knew all he actually had to do was run for president to be free!!
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 06:46 PM
Jun 2016

Daaaaamm.

It's a racket, but damn it pays well.

In the wrong business I tell ya!

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
12. There's still that annoying problem about 'intent', though.
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 01:22 PM
Jun 2016

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

TCJ70

(4,387 posts)
51. "Sorry officer! I didn't know the speed limit...
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 01:57 PM
Jun 2016

...but I did arbitrarily decide not to go over 120." Intent doesn't matter nearly as much as people think it does when it comes to mishandling things...

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
65. But 'intent' is, um, INTENTIONALLY written into the laws regarding classified info leaks.
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 02:09 PM
Jun 2016

And since no evidence has emerged that Clinton let classified info roam free, she will not be charged.

Granted, there was the possibility of classified info being leaked, but (so far), no evidence that it actually was.
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Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
64. How many times do you HRC supporters have to be told "intent" is not necessary?
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 02:06 PM
Jun 2016

I, personally, have posted many links to stories about others who inadvertently released classified and sensitive information and were prosecuted.

You either mishandle national defense data or you don't.

Period.

Response to Fawke Em (Reply #64)

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
83. You use 'released' and 'mishandle' interchangeably.
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 03:04 PM
Jun 2016

They have different meanings. 'Released' would mean that someone else is in possession of classified documents. 'Mishandled' carries as much weight as a misdemeanor since she was actually in charge of the State Dept.
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libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
108. The point being raised is that she was too ignorant
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 01:18 PM
Jun 2016

and uninformed to understand the intricacies of her job. That right there disqualifies her...if true...from any higher office.

IOW, she, in essence claims she was in over her head. Can't have it both ways, logically.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
123. She should have had aides that stood up to her more, perhaps.
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 07:10 PM
Jun 2016

Hopefully they will do a better job of ushering her about when she's President.
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libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
133. Yes, our delicate flower. Maybe she should have had aides that were not
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 08:22 PM
Jun 2016

overworking themselves in 2-3 other positions and likely complicit...that's closer to what appears to have been happening.

Strictly my opinion. Lots still to come, make no mistake.




Mother Of Four

(1,716 posts)
112. Here's the thing the law states about intent
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 02:38 PM
Jun 2016


http://www.lawteacher.net/resources/criminal-law/intent-specific-basic.php

BASIC INTENT
A basic intent crime is one where the mens rea is intention or recklessness and does not exceed the actus reus. In simple terms this means that the defendant does not have to have foreseen any consequence, or harm, beyond that laid down in the definition of the actus reus.

SPECIFIC INTENT
A specific intent crime is one where in theory the mens rea goes beyond the actus reus, in the sense that the defendant has some ulterior purpose in mind.

As a lawyer she would know this backwards and forwards. As SoS she would know what is required of her for security. So lets say she didn't have ANY nefarious intent at all. She would still fall under Basic Intent via recklessness.
 

randome

(34,845 posts)
118. Only if charges are brought and she is found to be guilty of something.
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 06:28 PM
Jun 2016

But every SoS had their own ways of getting around the rules. Clinton did it differently than others. Big deal.
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Separation

(1,975 posts)
114. I commented on this on another thread so Ill copy & past it here
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 03:41 PM
Jun 2016
In many posts I have explained that I dealt with classified intel on an almost daily basis. I have also told the tales of people losing their careers and being charged with mishandling classified materials. Here is one of those tales. In the operations room there are no cell phones allowed in, you have to leave them at the door. You also have to know the combination to get into said room. Once in the room there are many cabinets all with double combo locks or key locks on them, with said keys being locked into another lock box. One member forgot to engage one of the locks in a double locked cabinet and left for chow. The only thing that was unsecured in that room was that one lock on a double locked cabinet. While at chow, the Staff Duty Officer was making his rounds and found that the cabinet was not double locked. That member was brought up on charges, lost her security clearance and ended up in jail for 60 days.

Tell me, where was the intent on her part? It was an honest to goodness brain fart on her part and she was toasted and fried! Not many people have experience dealing with classified, secret, & top secret material. I do, I am familiar with people losing their jobs and not having many good outlooks on further jobs.

She knew, she was told not to have her own personal email server. To me it reeks of "I am above that and I can do what the hell I want", and it really pisses me off!


If she becomes the Democratic nominee Ill have two options. Either vote for her, or abstain from voting in the Presidential race. There is no way ever that I would vote for Trump in any lifetime.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
116. Sounds like you had launch codes in those cabinets!
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 06:26 PM
Jun 2016

Different agencies, different situations. I won't pretend to know all the ins and outs of the situation. You probably have a clearer idea of what's involved. But there was no data compromised -that we know of- and I'm unaware of any law that prohibits such an arrangement. Especially with the understanding that security at State was never very good and every other SoS did similar -not the same- runarounds of the rules.
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Kentonio

(4,377 posts)
20. Why? Should he instead of pointed out the servicemen serving jail time for less egregious offenses?
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 01:31 PM
Jun 2016
 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
36. I wasn't being snarky but thanks for the personal attack.
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 01:39 PM
Jun 2016

I wish you the best and hope you have an amazing Thursday.

thesquanderer

(11,982 posts)
57. That subject line was hard to understand
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 02:01 PM
Jun 2016

Where you typed "instead of" I think you meant "instead have"

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
53. I can't help but notice you didn't actually address the point or explain exactly
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 01:58 PM
Jun 2016

why it's 'dumb'.

You're basically just huffing and puffing.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
58. It's what I do best. Thanks for noticing.
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 02:01 PM
Jun 2016

I won't lower myself to explain such obvious stupidity. It's pretty clear that a majority here get it.

Carolina

(6,960 posts)
44. Because Bernie is the REAL D/democrat
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 01:46 PM
Jun 2016

not a lying, pandering, war-loving, self-serving, corporate owned Turd way fraud.

The Clintons need to take their money and be gone. That all their questionably begotten wealth is not enough for them tells you all need to know. They need power, power and more power. And it sure ain't to help everyday Americans. Just look at the 2-for-1 Clinton legacy of NAFTA, the Telecommunications Act, the Crime and Welfare Deform bills, and the Gramm-Bliley-Leach act which overturned FDR's Glass-Steagall Banking Act. Then look what HRC did in the Senate and as SoS: aye votes on IWR, the Bankruptcy bill and the Patriot Acts I & II; devastating regime change in Honduras, Libya, Syria; arms deals with the Saudis that benefitted the Clinton Slush Fund (aka Foundation), worldwide promotion of fracking, and the private server to avert scrutiny of all!

As Bill said of Bush-Quayle in 1992: It's time for them to go

In 2016: It's time for Bill and Hill to go

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
79. He voted against the Democratic candidate for President in 2008
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 02:42 PM
Jun 2016

So, he would technically not be welcome here if he were to advocate for that sort of thing in the future.

 

reddread

(6,896 posts)
8. I know what you mean
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 01:21 PM
Jun 2016

I think Hillary should be brought to justice.
and the whole charade of the last few decades addressed.

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
9. I thought Bernie supporters were concerned about Hillary compromising classified info?
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 01:21 PM
Jun 2016

Now you guys love Snowden who disclosed loads of classified info?

You guys need to make up your minds.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
16. Who INTENTIONALLY disclosed classified info. Big difference there right out of the gate.
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 01:27 PM
Jun 2016

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

TwilightZone

(25,454 posts)
19. Yeah, that's a rather curious double standard.
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 01:30 PM
Jun 2016

They're not even comparable. For one of the parties, even assuming that data was somehow obtained by a third party, there's zero indication that it was intentional. Or classified, for that matter.

The other is Snowden.

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
21. Actually this is the double standard that destroys the Hillary fans.
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 01:32 PM
Jun 2016

Snowden was a whistleblower. Hillary's email problem is about her disregard for the law as SoS, and an extreme appearance of impropriety.

brush

(53,759 posts)
46. Snowden wasn't a whistleblower until Obama became president
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 01:48 PM
Jun 2016

During Bush's admin he was all for "whistleblowers being shot in the balls".

Google it. That's a direct quote from Snowden.

He's no hero, he blew that status when he disclosed details of his own country's covert, international operations.

He should have stopped at the domestic spying revelations.

He didn't. He fled to our two biggest international rivals who undoubtedly now have the gigabytes of info he stole.

He's a defector guilty of sedition.

brush

(53,759 posts)
72. So his "whistleblowers should be shot in the balls" comment means nothing?
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 02:20 PM
Jun 2016

Wasn't he advocating that he himself should be shot in the balls?

Sorry to shatter your "Snowden is a hero" mindset, but no, he's a defector guilty of sedition who didn't know enough to stop at the domestic spying revelations, as he also divulged details of his own country's covert, international operations.

No getting around it. That's sedition.

 

Herman4747

(1,825 posts)
42. Hillary compromised classified info due to incompetence...
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 01:43 PM
Jun 2016

...while Edward Snowden disclosed classified info dealing with malfeasance.

Try next time just a bit harder

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
66. Speaking of intent...
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 02:10 PM
Jun 2016

Snowden INTENDED to show the public that the US government was violating the Constitution.

Hillary INTENDED to keep her emails away from FOIA requests.

One committed a crime to show a bigger crime, while the other committed a crime to hide other criminal acts.

This isn't hard to figure out.

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
74. Nope.
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 02:21 PM
Jun 2016

Snowden intended to disclose classified information and he did.

BTW, Bernie will lose the Democratic nomination.

Cheers!

Number23

(24,544 posts)
137. Is it just me or does there seem to be an especially large number of flameouts in this forum today?
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 11:23 PM
Jun 2016

Some of the stuff in this forum today is even more ridiculous than usual and that is truly saying something.

But I gotta say, that seeing some of the folks Flagged for Review has been a delightful surprise. Absolutely delicious. I really do think that given the hidden posts and flame outs, that alot of people who love to scream that "THIS. AIN'T. OVA!!!!!111one" are CLEARLY starting to realize that it is.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
68. He's going to take early retirement, kick back, and observe the fruits of his labors.
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 02:11 PM
Jun 2016

The more dissension and turmoil, the better.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
69. Work like hell to get someone else nominated at the convention.
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 02:13 PM
Jun 2016

See, the convention isn't until late July. The pivot here will be before that, which is plain silly, but I'm OK with it. I can go to JPR or Reddit.

When Bernie supporters go, you'll have the ghost town in a bubble you've been dreaming of.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
14. Destroys? Really? Who's the presumptive POTUS nominee, and who is a prisoner in Putin's Russia?
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 01:25 PM
Jun 2016

He's a real "destroyer" all right!


No one thinks about him anymore--except maybe Glenn Greenwald, who didn't get as much dough out of him as he hoped to get...!

VulgarPoet

(2,872 posts)
17. I personally don't believe Snowden was in the wrong.
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 01:30 PM
Jun 2016

He found out who our alphabet soup agencies were REALLY spying on, and publicized it. Meanwhile, you've got General Betrayed-Us and Clinton running around, cavorting with classified information and they've yet to be run out. There is a double standard here-- rank and file American, you get chased, exiled, or imprisoned. Politician? You get barely a slap on the wrist, if that.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
43. Exile
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 01:45 PM
Jun 2016



Exile means to be away from one's home, while either being explicitly refused permission to return and/or being threatened with imprisonment or death upon return. It can be a form of punishment and solitude. Wikipedia
 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
125. Actually, I think Polanski fled post plea agreement...
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 07:19 PM
Jun 2016

Once you realize he was going to be confined to a state hospital for. Time.

brush

(53,759 posts)
47. Correction. He fled with stolen, classified info. He's a defector guilty of sedition . . .
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 01:51 PM
Jun 2016

for divulging details of his own country's covert, international operations.

He forfeited his hero status when he didn't stop with the domestic spying revelations.

 

2banon

(7,321 posts)
121. I know! Reading Hillary Supporters dissing Snowden is making my tummy hurt laughing so hard
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 06:55 PM
Jun 2016

Cog-Dis-Itus epidemic.

and they still don't get it.

that's sad.

 

Kentonio

(4,377 posts)
33. Without that 'traitor' you wouldn't know most of what you know today about domestic spying.
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 01:38 PM
Jun 2016

Jesus Christ, are you really content knowing your constitutionally protected rights were being trampled on freely by agencies held to exactly zero public accountability?!

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
40. You are a hoot. I have often talked positively about the end result of Snowdens actions.
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 01:41 PM
Jun 2016

Was your comment directed at the op? I think you replied to the wrong person.

brush

(53,759 posts)
50. A clarification: Many call him a traitor (actually he's guilty of sedition) because . . .
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 01:56 PM
Jun 2016

he didn't stop at revelations of the domestic spying you so glowing speak of.

He divulged details of his own country's covert, international operations.

That's why he's no hero. He didn't know when to stop.

And btw, did you know he thought whistleblowers "should be shot in the balls" until Obama became president?

Google it.

cstanleytech

(26,276 posts)
59. Sorry but the evidence isnt there to support a charge of treason. Mind you I am not disagreeing
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 02:02 PM
Jun 2016

with you that he should be punished rather I am just disagreeing with your traitor accusation because US law is pretty clear on what is treason and what he did isnt treason.
Espionage? Maybe.

brush

(53,759 posts)
67. Sedition is the operative word, and possibly espionage. He was in Europe for a few months . . .
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 02:10 PM
Jun 2016

and was possibly turned by Russian operatives.

It was after that that he signed on with Booz Allen and actively began stealing classified info.

His time spent in China after he fled, with room and board and without arrest, is curious, as is his continued room and board and stay in Russia.

BeyondGeography

(39,367 posts)
32. Well, that was super smart, wasn't it?
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 01:38 PM
Jun 2016

Snowden destroys himself (again) is more like it. His whole road to Moscow has more than anything been an exercise in self-destruction. Add another page to the book.

wyldwolf

(43,867 posts)
45. Regarding these constant "________ DESTROYED __________" posts
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 01:47 PM
Jun 2016

_______ wasn't actually destroyed if he/she was not there at the time of the alleged 'destroying.'

 

annavictorious

(934 posts)
61. What personal benefit?
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 02:03 PM
Jun 2016

What classification rules were broken?

I'm going to check Sanders's May FEC filings (if he ever releases them) to see if Snowden's on the payroll.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
56. Snowden is a piece of shit republican that took the shit until Obama got in, then
Thu Jun 2, 2016, 02:00 PM
Jun 2016

became all outraged. Who the fuck cares what Snowden says.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
98. I thought Snowden would be married by now.
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 09:58 AM
Jun 2016

I guess all the parading of his fiance was just for show. His 'fish out of water' fiance.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

 

DesMoinesDem

(1,569 posts)
102. Again with the fiance lie. Didn't I call out your lies years ago about that?
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 12:52 PM
Jun 2016

Remember all the pathetic shit you used to say to attack Snowden. He doesn't understand FTP! Those are just powerpoint slides, they don't mean anything! LOL. Good memories.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
104. What lies? All I'm saying is that his fiance appears to have vanished once more.
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 12:57 PM
Jun 2016

How many years have they been engaged now? 3 or is it going on 4? I lose track of time.

She and her 'fish out of water' comment make her out to be about as clueless as Snowden himself so they may have been a good match.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

 

DesMoinesDem

(1,569 posts)
106. You are the only person I have ever seen call her his fiance. She's his girlfriend.
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 01:05 PM
Jun 2016

I've called you out on it before but apparently you don't have a very good memory.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
107. Okay, fine. Snowden's been out of the news for quite a while and I forgot.
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 01:10 PM
Jun 2016

But Snowden's lawyer hinted they may soon be married -almost two years ago so I guess that's not happening. Maybe the 'fish out of water' found a new pond. That's how prehistoric amphibians did it, you know.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

JonLeibowitz

(6,282 posts)
143. He didn't 'hint' they were going to be married. The DailyMail is trash and we don't know
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 11:03 AM
Jun 2016

what question the lawyer was answering.

Pretty silly reason to attack Snowden.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
144. Agreed. It just seems strange that they were dating for 4-5 years before his run.
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 11:17 AM
Jun 2016

And now, nearly 4 years later...still nothing? Not that I put any stock in the institution of marriage, mind you. It just plays into the notion that Snowden was an isolated loner who couldn't relate well to others. Apparently he never related well to his girlfriend, either.

It's a common theme in his aborted military career, in his reversal of "shoot leakers in the balls" remarks, in how he fell under the influence of Glenn Greenwald and in how he mistakenly thought PRISM was basically a means of monitoring and downloading the entire Internet. He was so trapped inside his own head, imo, that he never questioned what he was doing.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

JonLeibowitz

(6,282 posts)
146. Or maybe he doesn't believe in the institution of marriage
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 11:28 AM
Jun 2016

I know plenty of people in long term relationships who do not intend to get married.

"It just plays into the notion that Snowden was an isolated loner who couldn't relate well to others."


You realize this is the quintessential means to discredit someone, when most Americans are social people: the loners must be Bad (TM).

"Apparently he never related well to his girlfriend, either. "


Evidence?

"in how he fell under the influence of Glenn Greenwald and in how he mistakenly thought PRISM was basically a means of monitoring and downloading the entire Internet."


Sources for any of this?

"that he never questioned what he was doing. "


Actually if you listen to all his public interviews he is incredibly introspective and contemplative of the effects of his actions.
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