2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumWhy Is Chris Matthews Calling the Primary for Hillary before Polls Close on June 7?
&feature=em-uploademailDemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Because he can.
Gomez163
(2,039 posts)That's why.
kstewart33
(6,551 posts)That's not small potatoes, you know.
The most pledged delegates, the most popular vote. Never in their history have super delegates declared the runner-up to be the nominee in this situation.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Can you please post a schematic for the flux capacitor?
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)If you think this takes a time machine I don't know how to help you.
pandr32
(11,578 posts)Bernie has been mathematically ruled out for some time now--though he isn't acknowledging his defeat publicly.
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)firebrand80
(2,760 posts)msongs
(67,394 posts)LibDemAlways
(15,139 posts)Congressional campaign, while it lasted, had ties to Clinton. He's also an idiot who admitted voting for Bush. No core principles and slimy as shit. No wonder he's lasted at MSRNC as long as he has.
pandr32
(11,578 posts)...and reporting what is as obvious as the nose on his face. Who cares who is wife is or how he voted...geesh. Hillary Clinton has already won because Sanders is mathematically ruled out--can't win. It is over.
LibDemAlways
(15,139 posts)kstewart33
(6,551 posts)Put me on ignore too cause I'm telling you the truth: Hill wins in 5 days.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)beachbumbob
(9,263 posts)Just msnbc....every news organization will proclaim Hillary the victory....this happens EVERY primary season....
dmosh42
(2,217 posts)kstewart33
(6,551 posts)Well, count me in I guess. I'm voting for Hillary!
dmosh42
(2,217 posts)I would just say they are the "manipulated" ones!
Gothmog
(145,126 posts)You are ignoring history and want special rules just for Sanders. In every primary contest since the creation of super delegates, the winner was declared the presumptive nominee based on the inclusion of super delegates. That fact that this is not favorable to Sandes does not matter http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/5/29/1532358/-What-Does-It-Mean-to-Clinch-the-Nomination-When-Superdelegates-Are-Involved
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The answer: history says the first person to get to the magic number is the presumptive nominee, and says it unambiguously, even if the losers often disagree.
Heres how it has gone since the superdelegates were added to the process.....
Summary
Anyway, I started this research 12 hours ago to answer a question for myself, so that as everyone on TV is spinning things this way and that on June 7th I have some context. What, if anything, have I learned?
First, most non-incumbent candidates have needed superdelegates to win, and the history of superdelegates has been that once a Democrat hits the magic number and becomes the nominee, superdelegates are more likely to flow to the nominee than from them.
Also, in the history of the superdelegates, they have always ended up supporting the decision of the pledged delegates, and their most important contribution has been to amplify leads of the pledged delegate winner so that they can be assured success on a first ballot, and avoid the sort of messy convention that harms a general campaign.
The major thing Ive learned is that the press declares, and has always declared, the winner after they hit the magic number, and has done so in far more nebulous circumstances than this. Even in 1984, in which Hart won by a number of other metrics, in which the delegate count was the arbiter, and Mondale announced himself as the nominee, even with 38 percent of the popular vote to Harts 36 percenteven then, Hart may have claimed he still had a cunning plan, but no one begrudged Mondale the fact he was, for all intents and purposes, the nominee.
When you think about it, that simply has to happen. Things need to get done, and they need the nominee to do them. Except for Reagan in 1976, who chose a running mate after Gerald Ford was made the nominee, there arent a whole lot of non-nominee candidates going to the convention with their own vice president picked out. You get to do that because the numbers say youre the nominee.
Meeting this number also allows the nominee to do the work of campaigning before the convention, establishing a message, building capacity on the ground, etc.
The press, for its part, has always understood this, from 1984 onward, and has named the nominee (or the presumptive nominee) the minute the candidate crosses the line with their combination of pledged and supers, and usually said something to the effect that they had clinched the nomination. They did that when Mondale had won far fewer states than Hart. They did that when Dukakis did not have 50 percent of the pledged delegates. They did that when Obama had not won the popular vote (yes, I know, MichiganI hope were still not fighting this?).
This is a well researched article and confirms that the nomination process will be over on Tuesday June 7, 2016 when the results of the New Jersey primary are announced.
bjo59
(1,166 posts)paycheck from an employer that is owned by Comcast.
tritsofme
(17,376 posts)And is not wallowing is deep pathetic denial.
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