The FBI case against Hillary is NOT a RW smear!

[pinebox]

Let's get this straight right here, right now.
I';ve seen this said many times by Hillary supporters here on DU over the last few days who are new here.
You are getting the Judicial Watch case mixed up with the FBI investigation. These are 2 VERY DIFFERENT cases, one is criminal and one is civil. Judicial Watch is a RW org and is NOT the FBI in any way shape or form.

The FBI falls under the jurisdiction of the Obama administration.


Let's clean the air with this.

[hlthe2b]

1. The FBI has an open INVESTIGATION. It has NOT brought a case against her.

Accuracy matters.

[pinebox]

3. Correct

You know what I mean though. These aren't the same things and some think they are. An investigation in LE circles = building a case. Just a FYI

[LanternWaste]

5. Also used to rule out parties. FYI, part II.

"An investigation in LE circles = building a case..."

Also used to rule out parties. FYI, part II.

[anigbrowl]

7. So you should retract your baseless smear

'You know what I mean' is pure dog-whistle politics.

[pinebox]

9. My baseless smear?

Uh pay attention http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=2109519 The FBI case is NOT a RW smear.

[JonLeibowitz]

15. The FBI doesn't bring cases against people anyway, so with that in mind what was said was clear

[hlthe2b]

20. No, the poster stated that the FBI had a case against her...

Read it again.. YOU are wrong, as was the OP.

The FBI investigates and sometimes those investigations result in a case consisting of evidence being developed against an individual or individuals--and which may or may not result in charges and thus, prosecution. However an investigation is just that--an inquiry-- and its outcome is not predetermined despite all the hype to the contrary from her detractors.

[JonLeibowitz]

21. I know. Try again, and nope, what i said was perfectly correct.

[hlthe2b]

22. Only in "JonLeibowitz-eeze" apparently.

[pinebox]

43. You're splitting hairs

Investigations are part of the case building process.

[hlthe2b]

85. The process of Building a case... a case brought against an individual explicitlly

includes charges brought or about to be brought against the individual. Even you admitted your error and it is a big one. These terms matter. Be accurate or you should be considered a hype-monger.

[pinebox]

86. Yawn

You're splitting hairs, I've said this. The FBI is working a case against Hillary right now. That is what the instigation is.
Now that being said, my OP isn't about that is it? No. So let's stay on topic.

[bkkyosemite]

2. I don't think they want to.

[onehandle]

4. They are going through the motions on an investigation that will end in nothing.

Because of a Republican Congress.

Period.

Millions wasted propping up the RIGHT WING, yet again.

This time cheered on by The 'Not Hillary' Party.

[seabeyond]

14. Exactly. This. Talking about splitting hairs. To suggest the FBI would have happened without the RW

prompting is the point.

[Press Virginia]

51. They opened an investigation at the request of the Obama appointee

in the IC IG office.

[TimPlo]

35. Do you have a source where the FBI claimed this?

Because your post sounds very sure that is happening. Or are you just making some kinda of prediction? If the latter then might want to word it better.

[morningfog]

49. You have no way of knowing that.

Absolutely no way.

[AgingAmerican]

53. So the Republican congress is frog marching Obama's DOJ?

Nope, they aren't.

[anigbrowl]

6. There is no FBI case against Hillary

unless the FBI issues an indictment, a prospect which some of us view as less likely than you do.

[pinebox]

8. Splitting hairs

Investigation is case building.
However that is NOT the issue here. The issue here is people getting the 2 mixed up between the FBI and Judicial Watch and how some call the FBI investigation a RW smear.

[passiveporcupine]

10. While I'm not in the indictment camp

At least not yet, "less likely" does not mean "won't happen" and it does leave the issue open for concern and discussion for those who are concerned.

I agree with the OP. It's not a right wing smear. I just am not getting into it until/if there is an indictment, because it may come up with no indictment, in which case, it won't have any affect on the election or her being POTUS if she wins. I am however keeping my eyes and ears open to where it leads. So I do read any discussion here about it.

[pinebox]

12. It's getting stupid with how the FBI is apparently run by the GOP

or something.

[Press Virginia]

52. And they've spent all this time "going through the motions"

as if they are just making up work to justify a paycheck

[TimPlo]

36. Well technically you nor I don't know this

As they have released very little info on the whole thing we don't really know. They could have a case against her on the Server, and are currently investigating some other thing they found in deleted email. Anything you or anyone else say about the case on DU is just speculation from either side of the issue.

[madokie]

48. The fbi issues recommendation

the attorney general hands down an indictment based on that recommendation.

[Marr]

11. I can't blame them. It's hard to keep track of a Clinton's legal problems. /nt

[pinebox]

13. It is.

[yourpaljoey]

27. What if she had used all that energy in the service of the country

[beaglelover]

16. You need to pray harder to the Indictment Fairy! It's not working so far!!!

LOL!!!

[NV Whino]

18. Trying my best.

[Herman4747]

19. Me too!

[840high]

65. me 3

[frylock]

24. I'm atheist.

It takes a while for law enforcement to build their case. This isn't CSI: Miami where the case is solved in one hour. The recommendation for indictment will be forthcoming, at which point you will regret your constant mocking of the Indictment Fairy.

[beaglelover]

39. I wouldn't hold my breath dude if I were you! LOL!!!!!!

[frylock]

42. Enjoy it while you still can.

[840high]

66. Dream on dude

[libdem4life]

28. I'll settle for the Truth Fairy. The other one is a tired meme.

[pinebox]

44. Uh, more spin that a funny car's wheels in the bleach box

I've said on here I don't wish to see her indicted several times but I suppose you missed that.
My point stands, the FBI is NOT a RW smear

[puffy socks]

77. View profile I've said on here I don't wish to see her indicted several times but I suppose you miss

that."

nope. saw it..Its just not believable .

[Matt_R]

84. Should our government be run by backroom deals in smoke filled rooms...

or out in public by FOIA requests so that we may be able to see what is behind the curtains.

I don't know if you read the emails, but there are quite a few backroom deals in the publicly available Clinton emails at wikileaks. Don't get me wrong, I don't think the public should have the right to see things as they happen but if it does not compromise a government operation/situation/national security/international treaty in talks... we should know about it.

[winter is coming]

17. Investigation? What happened to the security review? The inquiry?

When your campaign can't even use the proper label for what's going on, it's bad news.

And although JW's motivations are no doubt RW, FOIA is FOIA. The public actually does have a right to know, and the testimony given in deposition isn't tainted by the motivations of the people who brought the suit. Scream "RW smear!" all you want, Mills' deposition did not make Hillary look good.

[840high]

67. I read the transcript

all I could do is shake my head.

[SheenaR]

23. If something negative is brought up, it's a RW smear

In my 5 months, that has become crystal clear.

Just like Fox rarely eats its own, why would the liberal media go after her?

So the truth has to be found somewhere. But let's all continue to act like the Right has never had an accurate news story.

[nadinbrzezinski]

32. This is so dangerous for a supposedly mature democracy

I know

[beachbum bob]

26. there is no case against hillary period....an investigation is not a case

judicial watch is a smear outfit

just like an investigation into jane sanders is not an indictment or a case

[libdem4life]

30. Has she refused FOIA requests?

[scscholar]

63. She was very clear that she made herself available:

"“I made it clear that I’m more than ready to talk to anybody, anytime, and I’ve encouraged all of my assistants to be very forthcoming.”

And, they haven't even bothered to talk to her.

[libdem4life]

88. Wrong. First of all FOIA requests can be

made by any citizen to my knowledge. The name kind of spells it out .

There has not been cooperation thus the struggle.

[pinebox]

45. Again, splitting hairs

Investigations are part of the case building process.
My point stands with what I said, the FBI investigation is NOT a RW smear

[840high]

68. Is the FBI a smear outfit?

[Tarc]

29. I agree; it isn't just a RW smear

It is a RW and Sanders camp smear. Each group is using the case to further their own political aims, rather than possessing a genuine interest in the issue of email security.

[libdem4life]

33. A double conspiracy theory...otherwise called a twofer.

Add in the female card, and it's a threefer.

Yeah, nobody cares. That must be the fourthfer.

[seabeyond]

34. It is a RW and Sanders camp smear.

Yes.

[840high]

69. et tu? You disappoint.

[pinebox]

46. Tarc, please tell us how the FBI is a RW smear

when the org falls under the Obama administration.
Sorry but this isn't the Judicial Watch case

[Tarc]

50. Didn't say it was, piney.

The FBI investigation is what it is. It is the wild uninformed, at times bloodthirsty wolves one the sidelines who pore over every scrip and scrap of information that flutters from the investigation. These are the Trump and the Sanders people, who come up with absurdities like RICO, "gross misconduct" statues, and so on. These are the people that hope and wish and pray that te FBI investigation will lead to something dire....Trump because he is a d-bag, Sanders because it is is hail Marry, 11th-Hour unicorn & rainbow ticket to the nomination

You're an armchair...or computer chair, as it were...quarterback, mr. pine.

[pinebox]

76. Ah Tarc I'm sorry

but we have a candidate who is running for POTUS whom is being investigated by the damn FBI.
Who else is being investigated? It's all a conspiracy against Hillary, right? lol

[Tarc]

80. Perhaps in some of the nations whose leaders Sanders has praised...

...say, Cuba and 1980's Nicaragua, such a candidate would be presumed guilty, tried, and condemned in one motion.

We do things a little differently in the USA, though...

[pinebox]

81. Cuba?

You mean this Cuba? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/salim-lamrani/cubas-health-care-system-_b_5649968.html
Ya we sure do things differently here in a system that allows for poor people to remain poor, but because I can.....

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[NCTraveler]

31. Yes, it is.

Let Obama and the FBI do their jobs. That's not the smear aspect. Never has been. Interesting the angle you take to justify the train wreck of deceptive and dishonest commentary that is coming from the right.

[truedelphi]

37. And what if it was a RW smear? She herself is so far to the right

That there would be a certain amount of poetic justice if the matter was indeed one.

[mmonk]

38. And on the civil side, Judicial Watch goes first because they filed the first suit.

There's more.

[840high]

70. May I add - JW has

also gone after republicans.

[MisterP]

74. and JW is on this only because CREW was literally taken over by Brock 2014

[mmonk]

87. That does explain their absence.

[panader0]

40. My May 12th post:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511952533

[joshcryer]

41. Bullshit.

Why is it that only democrats have "leaks" about investigations? Because the right wing leaks anything about them.

[pinebox]

47. Ya it's bullshit alright

that you all don't understand that the FBI falls under the Obama administration.
This is no RW smear. It's a criminal investigation.

[Press Virginia]

55. "Routine security review"

Just with a grant of immunity to a guy who keeps claiming the 5th

[840high]

71. yep

[joshcryer]

62. It should not have come out.

That they are doing anything. This is common sense. The fact that it was leaked, the fact that Comey actually has press conferences about this is absolutely stupid and wrong.

[Press Virginia]

78. Why should an IG request to the DOJ be a secret?

Should we not know if the FBI is investigating a public official in relation to things that happened while they were in office?

[The_Casual_Observer]

54. I'll call your bullshit and raise you elephant shit.

This whole thing is way beyond stupid already.

[Press Virginia]

58. What has leaked in this FBI investigation?

[joshcryer]

60. That there IS an investigation.

Same with McAuliffe who is actually a really good governor.

[Press Virginia]

61. Was it supposed to be a secret when the IG filed the request?

[840high]

72. Why should it be secret? It's

pretty important.

[NanceGreggs]

56. Keep trying to sell it, pinebox.

You're down to a matter of days when you still have the chance to do so.

[Press Virginia]

57. Does the FBI know they can drop their investigation when DU transitions?

I'm sure they'll be relieved

[NanceGreggs]

59. No, they'll be disappointed.

I'm sure if anyone from the FBI reads DU, they'll be sorry to see a source of laugh-inducing entertainment disappear.

[pinebox]

79. Sell what?

There are 2 different things happening, people are getting them mixed up. Not selling anything, just correcting people.
The FBI investigation won't end in days I don't think, sorry.

[Juicy_Bellows]

64. Funny thing is almost all of her supporters are lockstep.

I haven't read anyone here, except Sanders supporters, simply admit they have some concerns and reservations about the investigation.

That don't jive.

[840high]

73. You are right. Posters

that I thought were intelligent have made me change my mind.

[Juicy_Bellows]

75. You are right. Poseurs.

There are more than one cited poster that was adamant against her in 08 and oh my lord, now just love HRC unconditionally.

I don't know how you about-face like that and have any modicum of integrity left.

[Babel_17]

82. "73 FOIA suits pending against the State Department"

http://www.politico.com/blogs/under-the-radar/2015/04/state-department-cites-crushing-burden-from-freedom-of-information-act-204948

ACLU v. Department of State - WikiLeaks FOIA Lawsuit Complaint

https://www.aclu.org/legal-document/aclu-v-department-state-wikileaks-foia-lawsuit-complaint

http://foiaproject.org/lawsuit/

Seeking transparency isn't partisan. It's the spin connected to the search that can be. Department of State documents do not have an agenda of their own.

[Voice for Peace]

83. There has been a hugely successful veil of disinformation on this, I've been surprised

- how casually people repeat these lines, from
the common HRC meme, whenever the topic comes up

- others did it
- colin powell did it
- no crimes committed
- rw smear rw concoction
- no big deal and every variation of that..

WHen I finally started reading the (condensed version) of Paul Thompson's timeline, it was like:
holy shit. no way she will be the president.
just from the simple facts.. winning the election seems an impossibility.
I think her crew and fans are simply not willing to look at facts.
But I'm a little baffled by her close team, that they aren't smarter.

Maybe willfully being stupid while simultaneously knowing & denying.
Because when I look at DWS' face, I see crazy scared eyes. I'd even say a touch of veiled terror.

Behind the scenes, they might be trying every possible angle, bribery,
threats, tears, to avoid any criminal findings, or even any censure. It's
all balanced precariously on one very unstable pin & keeping fingers
crossed it's only a bad dream, not a REAL monster... believe it's not coming
to eat them, though it comes closer and closer, its shadow looms and
threatens.. gets harder to pretend it isn't real, because other people are
starting to notice it. It seems to be licking its chops but that might be
just a drool problem.. an imaginary one of course, .. anyway she's already
won hahahahaha its a rightwing dream that there is a monster and you
all are going to elect donald trump.