Why Hillary Can't Beat Trump. Most Voters Don't Like Her, Distrust Her and Think She Is Dishonest!

[imagine2015]

What more does one need to guarantee a doomed candidacy and Trump landslide?

[tonyt53]

1. What more? Understand the electoral college map. HRC has used it to beat Bernie.

The same plan is in use for beating Trump.

[imagine2015]

6. Oh really. You expect her to sweep the south? Even President Obama couldn't do that.

[brooklynite]

9. I expect her to win PA (which Bernie lost), OH (which Bernie lost), VA (which Bernie lost)...

...FL (which Bernie lost), and possibly NC (which Bernie lost) and GA (which Bernie lost).

[thesquanderer]

13. I don't think which Dem won a state says anything about how likely they are to win it in the general

It's a different voting population and a different set of candidates.

The fact that Hillary beat Obama badly in NY in 2008 didn't stop him from taking it easily in the general.

I'm not saying that Hillary won't win those states, I just don't think that she's more likely to win those states than Bernie would be. Contrary to what one might think reading some DU posts, most people who voted for one of these Dems don't despise the other, and would almost always take the other Dem if the alternative was Trump. Put another way, do you really think a significant number of the Hillary voters in those state would vote for Trump if he were running against Bernie instead of Hillary? I doubt it.

[bettyellen]

25. The point is she will do fine electorally in November. No need for

Bernie to come in and "save" the election for us.
I think she is going to be better in the GE than Sanders because he's been too easy to bait, but it really does not matter. What matters is she is the Dems choice, and Bernie is not. That matters a lot.

[basselope]

31. LOL. Now THATS funny.

She has no chance in Florida, Ohio, PA, or north carolina b/c the deck is stacked against her there.

[blue neen]

37. Um, prove it...

....because you're making a mighty bold statement there.

[basselope]

48. Done that many times...

So...

First you have to understand that the GOP has spent the last 8 years in these states working on almost NOTHING more than suppressing the democratic vote, via voter ID laws, having less access available in urban areas, etc. It will take OVERWHELMING voter turnout to overcome this, as, on its own it will likely see a 3-5% reduction from what the "polls" are showing.

Second, you have to be aware of the polling trends that have been plaguing the pollsters this round. You can look at RCP for almost every state. There are SOME exceptions, but for the most part, the trend has been identical. Trump and Sanders have been greatly underestimated in the polls. This is because the pollsters use "likely voter" as their main indicator. However, both Trump and Sanders are drawing the "unlikely" voter. That first time voter, or that person who hasn't bothered voting in years b/c they didn't feel they had any reason to bother. To deny this is to just stick your head in the sand.

So if you look at Ohio.. Clinton 1.4% average lead.. well.. that's MUCH more likely a 5-7 point loss b/c of voter suppression and the unlikely voter trend. Florida. Same problem. North Carolina. Same Problem.

To have a remote chance of winning Clinton would need 7-10 point leads in these polls.. but she doesn't have it. We also know she isn't going to drive voter turnout.

[Ferd Berfel]

18. Yea, Clinton will win Texas too

[msanthrope]

23. She just might, with Juan Castro as her VP. nt

[uponit7771]

50. With Castro on the ticket she could, she might no doubt turn it purple

[virtualobserver]

53. we are still a few elections away from a purple Texas

[uponit7771]

58. NB ope...just one gotv push here in DFW would turn the state

[Exilednight]

55. that's just being intellectually dishonest. there is no way in hell Texas is going

for any D over the next decade. With the demographic shift that is slooooowly happening, it could happen by the 2024 election.

[virtualobserver]

56. Even that is made more complicated by the influx of conservatives from California to Texas

[uponit7771]

57. This is false on its face, Texas just needs a major gotv push

It has the demographics no doubt...just really suppressed turn out

I live in DFW and the only reason Arlington still votes GOP cause there had been no gotv there ...it's the only major metropolis in the US that has a large GOP lean.

She can no doubt turn Texas at least purple

[HERVEPA]

2. Sure. Except for the fact that Trump is much crazier and hated much more.

She will win in a landslide.

[litlbilly]

5. dont think so. She has nowhere to go but down.

[TeacherB87]

3. Doesn't matter

She's the nominee sink or swim. Get used to it.

[pengu]

54. It's definitely sink

[TeacherB87]

62. Wow you can predict the future?

I'd say that's a great asset if I thought we were on the same side of things. But based on on your response I'm not sure you and I would be on the same side of much of anything. But hey, look, if you vote for The Pig-Satan (or stay home) maybe President Trump will Make you the Psychic Czar. Every psycho could use a psychic, I'm sure.

[Ohioblue22]

4. Because of people like you,constantly posting crap like this?

[imagine2015]

7. Just stating the plain facts. Don't like the facts? That's too bad. I can't change them for you.

[Ohioblue22]

8. Of course you are, bless your heart

We report you decide?

[Andy823]

40. Here are the facts

She has more votes than Bernie, that's a fact. The majority of those who voted wanted HER, not Bernie, and that also is a fact. Another fact is that the person with the most votes wins, and no matter what kind of crap you post you can't change the facts, now can you?

[thesquanderer]

10. Why Hillary CAN beat Trump: Voters like him even less. (n/t)

[djean111]

14. My grandson and his friends will not vote for Hillary.

They will either not vote at all, or vote for Trump - they don't like Trump, but the feeling is, maybe things have to get truly horrible before they get better.

[thesquanderer]

15. I'm sure there's some of that too. Question: Would they vote for Sanders? (n/t)

[djean111]

16. Oh, Sanders is the only reason they care about the race in the first place.

They figure that Hillary is more of the same stuff that affects them now - high ACA costs, war, crushing student debt, no jobs. And she pretty much said yeah, that's not gonna change. They will just tune out of politics again, because, aside from Bernie, they think it is all corrupt. And in many ways, I cannot argue with them. The DNC and Hillary own that.

[thesquanderer]

17. It's ironic that older people are more amenable to gradual change, when they won't be around as long

while younger people who will be around a lot longer see no appeal in gradual change.

[djean111]

19. Actually, I am 70, and quite on board with seeing no appeal in gradual change.

What does that even mean, really? A little less war, fewer jobs leaving the US at a time? A fucking smug plan that would shave off $2000 whole dollars from a lifetime of student debt? The same un-affordable ACA plans that have high co-pays and out-of-pocket, meaning that kids still have to save up to go to the doctor? In Hillary's case, gradual change really means she won't upset Wall Street and the 1%, and will just smile condescendingly and keep saying she is looking into things. The young people know that, they look things up, they don't fall for campaign blather.

[thesquanderer]

21. I'm with you. But overall, Sanders support skews younger, Hillary's older.

Personally, I want more positive change to occur while I'm around to see it!

[upaloopa]

29. You don't know what is going to happen

Bernie good anything else bad

[upaloopa]

30. Bernie promices things he could never deliver

Pie in the sky. Your voting for ideals not policy. Bernie has no plans that would get through Congress.

[Nonhlanhla]

22. Then it's your job to give them some sound advice

about how things usually don't get better if it gets horrible. All that a Trump victory will bring, is a further slide to the right.

[upaloopa]

32. It will get worse and worse and worse.

Why will things improve with Trump when people like your grand kids drop out of the game?

They like playing with fire?

[840high]

35. Sounds like my grandsons.

[imagine2015]

36. Hillary could run on the slogans: "I'm not as bad as Trump" or "He's worse than me!"

That'll rock the vote!

[Jitter65]

11. I guess that is why she has more of popular vote than Bernie or Trump? nt

[Tarc]

12. Yes, let's compare the negatives

[ucrdem]

34. Good one!

[imagine2015]

38. Good points on Trump but you forgot to include this one among many about Clinton:

[Tarc]

42. You must have clued in by now to the fact that mst people don't really care about campaign finance?

[imagine2015]

43. You don't think people care about where Hillary gets her money from. Most DU'ers care ....

along with tens of millions of voters.

Trump will crush her on that and the Clinton Foundation if the Democratic Party runs her for President.

[Tarc]

45. Trump the billionaire will "crush" Hillary on...big money issues?

I love your username.

[uponit7771]

61. No they don't care enough to change the system, before getting thier party into office

[uponit7771]

60. They'll hate this pic

[Beacool]

20. Blah, blah from The Chicken Little portion of DU.

The sky is falling.......

[ucrdem]

24. And doggone it you just don't like her.

Noted.

[MariaThinks]

26. only the simple minded feel that way.

[imagine2015]

39. I really don't like it when she lies again and again and again. How do you feel about that?

That doesn't bother you in the slightest?

[MariaThinks]

46. i don't think she lies. i think that's a right wing lie that people fall for. If you want lying, loo

look at trump

[madamesilverspurs]

27. Hope you've found

a nice big place to park your disappointed schadenfreude.

[upaloopa]

28. Those dogs don't hunt anymore

Get some new material

[jamese777]

33. Hillary Clinton is so deeply disliked that...

Primaries popular vote as of June 2nd
Hillary Clinton: 13,220,201 (55.4%)
Bernie Sanders: 10,196,828 (42.7%)
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Donald Trump: 11,663,279

Clinton over Sanders: 3,023,373
Clinton over Trump: 1,556,922
Trump over Sanders: 1,466,451

Hillary Clinton: 1,770 pledged delegates
Bernie Sanders: 1,500 pledged delegates

Hillary Clinton: 522 superdelegates
Bernie Sanders: 43 superdelegates

Hillary Clinton: 2,290 total delegates
Bernie Sanders: 1,543 total delegates

Hillary Clinton: 27 contests won
Bernie Sanders: 21 contests won

Hillary Clinton needs 93 delegates
Bernie Sanders needs 840 delegates
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries,_2016

[imagine2015]

41. So Hillary only needs about 60 million more votes to beat Trump! Piece of cake.

Do you really think that many people will come out and vote for her if she captures the Democratic nomination?

Dream on.

And I love your figures on the superdelegates.

Do you think those folks are under some sacred vow or convention requirement to vote for a person they might have indicated a preference for months ago?

For your information they are not bound to anyone. They are free agents. And yes Hllary's superdelegates can once again do what they did in 1968. Over 200 abandoned her and voted for Obama.

Think about that little factoid for a moment.

Hillary Clinton needs 93 more delegates to do what? Clinch the nomination? Wrong. She needs 2,383 delegates to secure the nomination and will fall far short of that number after all of the pledged delegates are selected.

She needs to convince several hundred superdelegates at the convention to vote for her. And that will be a very hard sell as her poll numbers against Trump continue their downward plunge.

Of course you already know that but that 93 number sure looks good!

[jamese777]

49. Time will tell!

Superdelegates who have already issued definitive statements of endorsement are highly unlikely to switch and many of them are close personal friends of Hillary Clinton's. There are some advantages to having been a member of the Democratic Party for 45 years as opposed to 15 months, like Bernie Sanders.
In 2008 about 50 unpledged delegates switched from Clinton to Obama AFTER he had achieved a lead in pledged delegates.
At the convention, Clinton released unpledged delegates who had endorsed her.

[anotherproletariat]

44. Fine. Just vote for Hillary and if she loses, you have permission to say "I told you so"

Isn't that what you want at this point?

[Fumesucker]

47. I've been involved in a couple of car accidents where I've seen it coming

Once as a passenger I saw a car run a red light on the driver's side of the car I was in, I didn't have time to say anything before it hit the driver's door of the car I was in, my driver never saw it because it was coming from an acute angle behind his vision and I was turned looking at him.

Another time I was driving with two passengers and saw a car locked up and skidding towards us in the rear view mirror, again I didn't have time to say anything before the impact. Knowing something bad is coming and not being able to share it is an uncomfortable feeling if only for an instant.

If I have a chance to warn someone of what I sincerely believe to be an oncoming disaster and I choose not to do so am I a good neighbor?

[Lil Missy]

51. Apparently, most people like Hillary better than Bernie. She's got millions more votes. n/t

[Logical]

52. You can post this BS about 10 more days, then bye bye! nt

[oberliner]

59. That's only white voters

Black voters like her, trust her, and think she is honest.