Do the people with signs like "make America Mexico again"
and similar signs about California being Mexican Territory, along with the large amount of Mexican flags/paraphanalia, help Trump?
I was basically called an idiot and racist for bringing up the Mexican flag thing does not help our sides optics.
undocumented immigrants a few years ago by Latinos. They thought the optics didn't help the case for granting amnesty.
I live on the Central Coast of California. All the land around here was at one time land grants from the Mexican government.
So much of our place names are Spanish. Our Streets in older cities are named after Spanish Families who developed the land in the early 1800's.
Mexican heritage is celebrated here with festivals and Mexican flag waving. I think those not from here may not like that but we enjoy the festivals.
Our home was once a part of Mexico. Monterey was the capital here in the 1830's. The native Americans and a few Spanish settlers lived here then. The missions were built from San Diego to Monterey. Americans from the east traded goods for hides they got from the missions.
The missions were very devastating to the native Americans.
So our history and culture is very colorful with good and bad. It is a mixture Mexican, European and Native America. With the influx of immigrants the Mexican influence is growing again.
We now respect the Native American culture more than ever yet those people are long gone their artifacts and history remain.
A good book to read about life here in the 1830's is "Two Years Before The Mast" by Richard Henry Dana, Jr.
I will check out that book, noticed other books by Dana online too.
and I don't blame them a bit for going after Trump fanboy's vitriolic, xenophobic supporters.
It hyperbole to say that Trump is in Mussolini territory here.
it's as offensive and divisive as anything some hate group would say at their rally but the answer isn't violence.
Protest, make noise. But assaulting people crosses a line.
people don't want to hear, the violence is only going to get worse.
someone is going to die at the hands of one of these mobs because of a hat or a t-shirt.
Trump is a political arsonist. He and his supporters have no moral high ground upon which to stand as they complain about being burned by the fires that they themselves have set in San Jose and elsewhere.
Thrown eggs are not bullets. Despite what Fox News and the right-wing media will suggest in the days and weeks to come, Donald Trump and his supporters are neither victims nor martyrs. They are bullies who delight in taunting the weak and the vulnerable. And like almost all bullies they summon up crocodile tears of victimhood and pain when someone is brave enough to confront them.
isn't how we are supposed to behave.
People are being beaten up for the T-shirt they're wearing.
it's going to escalate and someone is going to die.
Do I read you correctly?
You think we should run things on the basis of whomever is best able to beat people up.
I am not awake and probably not coherent enough yet to speak my mind on this.
Mexican flag? That one is debatable but it is gasoline for the right, not as bad as say an Aztalan flag but yeah.....
while, outside, you've got people with signs about CA being Mexico, waving the Mexican flag, burning the American Flag and engaging in criminal acts.
(SOME of them. Not all.) The crowd, itself, was not engaging in the assaults it was a few individuals
I just wonder if it plays into Trump's message.
You nailed the point and then you have Hillary who called for migrant children to be sent home and voted for a border fence.
It's all the same just different shades of the onion peel
they don't want another Clinton even more so it appears.
That I don't think anybody, including Trump supporters take it seriously.
Lets be real. If a state referendum were held what % would vote to join Mexico?
My epiphany came last Friday
young lady out protesting Trump was explaining why she was there.
Then, when asked who she was voting for, she says she's not a citizen
But these protestors ARE the ones we're hoping votes for our candidate...
and some of us older DUers have seen this act before.
Notice how your correspondent suggested that non-citizens are people "we" want voting in November.
Cute one to slip in there, really.
Trust me when I tell you this has nada to do with your normal right-left paradigm
but it is not as simple as saying they are for the Democrats either. If you think so, then you are looking at this from a very comfortable seat indeed. Though since I am registered at the registrar also as a latino, I just got a robo call from Loretta Sanches using the FEAR TRUMP card, a very different add than the ones running on my anglo TV.
That said, the issues for the Mexican American community are much older than 2016.This is politics happening OUTSIDE both parties. And trust me, that frustrates both parties to no end.
not to mention being violent and assaulting his supporters.
WTF are these protesters thinking? They are helping Trump by all this media coverage of their crazy and unlawful antics.
If no protesters showed up for his rallies, there would be less media coverage.
Everyone should just ignore him and never speak his name.
Then maybe he will fade away.
GOP operatives showed up on the campaign trail posing as college students and burning flags in cities right before GHWBush appearances in 1988. GOP operatives used to show up with signs that read Communists for Kerry in order to create RW buzz to smear Kerry. Pretty sure that's what is happening here, too, and working right alongside with the anarchist crowd eager for any commotion, too.
Perhaps that is not what you want to hear, though, eh? That some of us really do GET how GOP operatives work at rallies and on the internet?
You certainly do show a lot of concern in your posts that rely on believing the GOP operations are real.
The LA Times brought the subject up.
about why they chose the Mexican flag and burned the US flag?
Not my job to change your views. This is part of a long tradition. This goes back to actually almost 1848.
On the videos highlighting the violence, which is all a lot of people are going to see.
I have said it in the past, Trump can get the full enchilada, but this is not the actual reason why This is a symptom.
In the meantime we have idiots on this site stating that these people are republican plants, nope, they are not. Or that they are bernie supporters, nope, or HRC supporters, NOPE. Politics is happening outside the parties.
And yes last night we had several idiots here going over how much Bernie is behind this. Incidentally that is a talking point started by Trump. And in my opinion the US gets the rulers and lacks of policies that help everybody becuase they allow it. This is a perfect example of that, textbook in fact.
But politics is occurring outside the left right paradigm you are used to
are of more concern to me than protestors with a few flags and signs.
The people with those signs and flags are offended by a racist who has sworn to round up their relatives and friends and ship them off to Mexico. We should all be waving Mexican flags in support of them.
Trump will say we need to build a wall. And to prove it they'll show video of protestors waving Mexican flags, holding signs that say Make America Mexico Again, burning American flags, and violently attacking Trump supporters. And all the independents that see the ads will say he's right. And then he'll be President.
and incidentally the reason why I applied for citizenship. So what is new?