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RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 11:00 PM Jun 2016

Thinking Like A Super Delegate

Let's say you were a Super Delegate at the DNC convention.

You are getting calls from both the Bernie organization and Hillary campaign, asking for your vote in 50 days from now.

Wow, you think, my vote is very important and could decide who wins.

So you start wondering, how could I make this work to my personal advantage?

Would one of them promise me a job in the WH? Maybe special support in my own campaign?

The opportunities are almost endless.

How would you handle such a ripe opportunity?

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Thinking Like A Super Delegate (Original Post) RobertEarl Jun 2016 OP
since sanders would be destroyed in the general election, they say I am with hillary like beachbum bob Jun 2016 #1
Bernie can easily win the GE RobertEarl Jun 2016 #5
So, faced with new challenges, Supers can vote how they want RobertEarl Jun 2016 #6
Supers are a republican idea RobertEarl Jun 2016 #41
I would want a ride on air force one. hrmjustin Jun 2016 #2
That's not what happens. upaloopa Jun 2016 #3
Not my job to enrich myself. Not my job to play king maker. Agnosticsherbet Jun 2016 #4
"...calls from both the Bernie organization and Hillary campaign" Tarc Jun 2016 #7
This is why you're not a super-delegate. nt TeamPooka Jun 2016 #8
Yeah, but I can call them RobertEarl Jun 2016 #9
But most politicians put a lot of stock in loyalty onenote Jun 2016 #13
Heh RobertEarl Jun 2016 #18
He will my friend. He will. onenote Jun 2016 #20
He knows they don't count RobertEarl Jun 2016 #21
I'm pretty sure he thought they counted in 2008. onenote Jun 2016 #22
They don't count until at the convention RobertEarl Jun 2016 #23
Like I said, you must have been asleep in 2008. onenote Jun 2016 #25
You should read your own link RobertEarl Jun 2016 #34
I'm looking for the part where she quit before Obama declared himself the nominee onenote Jun 2016 #36
Read it again. Apparently for the first time. RobertEarl Jun 2016 #37
and repeat after me - the media and Obama declared Obama the winner before she quit onenote Jun 2016 #38
Hillary is a quitter. Bernie will not quit. RobertEarl Jun 2016 #39
Well at least you've given up your argument that she quit before he was declared the winner onenote Jun 2016 #40
Sure he is. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #33
Lord Magus RobertEarl Jun 2016 #35
Quid pro quo nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #10
Brokered conventions? RobertEarl Jun 2016 #11
Not brokered but yes nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #12
Not corruption RobertEarl Jun 2016 #16
Depends nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #19
Then there is raising money for down ticket candidates RobertEarl Jun 2016 #32
Except that you're NOT getting calls from the Clinton campaign... brooklynite Jun 2016 #14
You're not getting calls from them because you're already on the morning conf call with TeamPooka Jun 2016 #30
Here is the basic political calculation Fumesucker Jun 2016 #15
This is true RobertEarl Jun 2016 #17
That calculation overlooks the voters factor. If they are paying attention Voice for Peace Jun 2016 #29
I would never consider "how could I make this work to my personal advantage?" demwing Jun 2016 #24
Those type are all Bernie supers RobertEarl Jun 2016 #27
I would unplug my phone or block the caller bravenak Jun 2016 #26
I would ask my heart. Voice for Peace Jun 2016 #28
Super delegates are most concern about the party as a whole Gothmog Jun 2016 #31
 

beachbum bob

(10,437 posts)
1. since sanders would be destroyed in the general election, they say I am with hillary like
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 11:01 PM
Jun 2016

they already have

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
5. Bernie can easily win the GE
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 11:44 PM
Jun 2016

In fact, it is proven that Bernie gets lots of Independent votes. Being as Indies are 40% of the population he would be the winner over Trump.

Most of the Supers, before the first vote was cast in the primary, claimed allegiance to Hillary. Before the FBI investigation and before Bernie proved he could win lots of other votes, some supers enlisted in the H camp. That was and is, undemocratic.

Now they are faced with a new situation, and changing their minds is their sole prerogative.

They will be campaigned by both camps and the best campaigning will enlist their support.

That's how the rules are set.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
6. So, faced with new challenges, Supers can vote how they want
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 11:45 PM
Jun 2016

No one can tell them how to vote. They are called supers for just that reason.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
41. Supers are a republican idea
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 02:47 PM
Jun 2016

Why the party relies on supers, idk, but it does. The leaders make up the rules, and Hillary is a leader.

Take South Carolina, please.

In SC just 13% of the D's voted. That means the supers there are mostly representing the 87% of SC who didn't care to even vote.

In a democratic sense, the supers there are just tools of the elite.

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
4. Not my job to enrich myself. Not my job to play king maker.
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 11:07 PM
Jun 2016

It is my job to represent my constituents. Just like a vote on a bill, or work in a committee, I would use my vote the way I think my constituents would want. I will see how my congressional district votes Tuesday.

Of course, no one would elect me. I do not have the fire in the belly to want that headache.

Tarc

(10,472 posts)
7. "...calls from both the Bernie organization and Hillary campaign"
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 11:46 PM
Jun 2016

I can pretty much guarantee that only the former is calling....

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
9. Yeah, but I can call them
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 11:57 PM
Jun 2016

And influence their decision.

It's weird how some think supers are all about altruism. They are not. Some are lobbyists, nearly all are politicians and we all know most politicians are not altruistic.

onenote

(42,383 posts)
13. But most politicians put a lot of stock in loyalty
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 12:04 AM
Jun 2016

These are people who have self-identified as Democrats, served as Democrats, supported Democrats, received support from Democrats. They are the Democratic establishment.

And they'e been lambasted and railed against by Sanders and his supporters. They will have the President of the United States -- enormously popular among Democrats -- telling them that he's with Clinton. They won't even bother to take calls from the Sanders campaign.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
18. Heh
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 12:13 AM
Jun 2016

If Hillary has already won, why hasn't Obama endorsed her?

What kind of deal is he angling for?

Since the supers are Democratic Party members, they will be aware of what is best for the party and the country. Bernie is best for the country, and Peace, and People, and the world.

I have confidence they will vote wisely.

onenote

(42,383 posts)
20. He will my friend. He will.
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 12:16 AM
Jun 2016

He's not angling for a deal. He's waiting for the same thing other rational people are waiting for: when the number of pledged delegates plus supers tops 2383.

And if you think he buys the notion that supers don't count until the convention -- I have a bridge to sell you.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
21. He knows they don't count
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 12:19 AM
Jun 2016

And don't try to offload that bridge you bought on me.

I think Obama is waiting on the FBI report.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
23. They don't count until at the convention
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 12:30 AM
Jun 2016

He knows that. Seems you don't?

Clinton Quit in 2008. Bernie is not quitting.

Clinton got the SoS job. No deal made there, eh?

onenote

(42,383 posts)
25. Like I said, you must have been asleep in 2008.
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 12:37 AM
Jun 2016
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/04/us/politics/04elect.html?_r=0

The date of that story: June 4, 2008, referring to events occurring on June 3, 2008.

The date Clinton suspended her campaign? June 7, 2008.

I'm sure you think Obama would have retracted his statement from the night of June 3 if Clinton had announced on June 7 she was not suspending her campaign. But then again, you appear to think a lot of ridiculous things.
 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
34. You should read your own link
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 05:04 PM
Jun 2016

It says Hillary quit, she told Obama, she didn't tell you for a few days later.

Bernie isn't quitting.

onenote

(42,383 posts)
36. I'm looking for the part where she quit before Obama declared himself the nominee
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 05:09 PM
Jun 2016

and was declared the nominee by the media. Maybe you could point it out.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
37. Read it again. Apparently for the first time.
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 05:12 PM
Jun 2016

And repeat after me. Hillary quit, Bernie is not going to quit.

onenote

(42,383 posts)
38. and repeat after me - the media and Obama declared Obama the winner before she quit
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 05:17 PM
Jun 2016

And only someone divorced from reality would think that either Obama or the media would have retracted their statements had she not quit.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
39. Hillary is a quitter. Bernie will not quit.
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 05:24 PM
Jun 2016

Obama beat her badly. Bernie is doing it again. Not so badly, but he will win.

The super delegates see all that is happening and they will save the party from making a Hillary sized mistake and save us all from much grief.

Reality is the legal troubles Hillary has caused herself, is why Obama will never endorse her and one reason the supers will not vote for her. Only someone divorced from those realities would throw down on your side.

onenote

(42,383 posts)
40. Well at least you've given up your argument that she quit before he was declared the winner
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 05:33 PM
Jun 2016

Which brings up again the question of why the moment that Clinton has pledged delegates and current commitments of supers exceeding 2383 should be treated differently than the moment that Obama's pledged delegates and current commitments of supers exceeded the nomination threshold in 2008?

She will be the presumptive nominee at that moment. The strength of that presumption will vary each day thereafter, depending on whether Sanders is convincing supers to switch to him or she is holding onto her supers and/or picking up even more supers and depending on whether Sanders somehow prevents her from getting a majority of pledged delegates -- something we should know next week. The longer it goes with Sanders not moving the dial, the stronger the presumption is. But its still a presumption as soon as she gets to the threshold that has been applied in deeming other candidates the presumptive nominee.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
35. Lord Magus
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 05:07 PM
Jun 2016

Why you want to make yourself look so foolish, I don't know.

Labeling the FBI and the justice system as a fairy just makes one look that way.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
10. Quid pro quo
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 11:57 PM
Jun 2016

that is what you are suggesting, and trust me, they are not doing that.

Oh there are other things that will happen, but not that. (It is too obvious not that corruption does not happen, la corrupcion somos todos)

Oh and I would never have that opportunity, After this primary I intend to continue to be a NDP in my state until the day I die. My contempt for partisans has only grown. And since I do not intend to run for office, I really do not need that.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
11. Brokered conventions?
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 12:00 AM
Jun 2016

I scratch your back you scratch mine. Lets make a deal.

Hell, I've done it. Its called politicking.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
12. Not brokered but yes
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 12:01 AM
Jun 2016

things like that, I pass your deal, you pass mine.

It is never that obvious... well sometimes it is.. and that is when the feds might get involved, and might is the operating word

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
16. Not corruption
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 12:06 AM
Jun 2016

It's how deals are made.

Congress does it day in and day out. The president makes deals.

If money changes hands, then no, but promises to scratch are not corruption.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
19. Depends
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 12:14 AM
Jun 2016

it really does,

If money changes hands, or you can truly prove that there was a personal benefit you cross legal lines. There are some really obvious examples of this.

It is a razor thin line. This is one of the reasons, to try to curb this, that states, have things like the Brown Act... but does not mean it does not stop, That said, we do have quite a bit of corruption, but we all like to ignore it.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
32. Then there is raising money for down ticket candidates
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 04:51 PM
Jun 2016

Money sure changes hands then,

It's called getting political favors based upon votes and support.

brooklynite

(93,873 posts)
14. Except that you're NOT getting calls from the Clinton campaign...
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 12:05 AM
Jun 2016

...because you're likely to have already committed two support Clinton. And if you didn't, your vote isn't necessary after Tuesday, so what would be the point?

TeamPooka

(24,156 posts)
30. You're not getting calls from them because you're already on the morning conf call with
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 01:14 AM
Jun 2016

high level Hillary supporters to go over the daily talking points with the press and the troops in your district/ state.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
15. Here is the basic political calculation
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 12:06 AM
Jun 2016

If you are interested in a political career and vote against Clinton and she wins then the Democratic machine will be set to finely masticate your prospects into a thin slurry.

On the other hand if you vote for Clinton and Sanders wins you may still have a shot as long as you're not a total ass about things.

 

Voice for Peace

(13,141 posts)
29. That calculation overlooks the voters factor. If they are paying attention
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 12:43 AM
Jun 2016

to the force of new voters, Bernie or Bust supporters, and so on

 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
24. I would never consider "how could I make this work to my personal advantage?"
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 12:35 AM
Jun 2016

If I were fortunate enough to serve, I would do my best to "make this work" for the 99% class who are not wealthy enough to afford their own lobbyists.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
27. Those type are all Bernie supers
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 12:39 AM
Jun 2016

Others are not so altruistic. Heck, 400 committed before the first of the 99% even had a chance to vote. They can be persuaded, obviously.

Gothmog

(143,999 posts)
31. Super delegates are most concern about the party as a whole
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 04:12 PM
Jun 2016

These delegates will vote for the candidate who will help the party as a whole and down ballot candidates. Sanders does not care about the party and is not helping down ballot candidates except when he can use this support for political payback

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