2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBREAKING: Hillary Clinton tried to suppress the Latino vote in Puerto Rico!
Bernie saved the the day by reporting what was happening in Puerto Rico prisons to the votes there!
Thank you Bernie and shame on all you people who defend suppressing the Latino vote and are voting for Hillary.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)that when the Rs steal it in November, they will try, I will care, for the country, not for Democrats.
You sure saw this from Politico
Bernie Sanderss campaign is accusing Puerto Ricos Democratic Party officials of fraud in the territorys presidential primary.
The campaigns head of Hispanic voter efforts, Betsy Franceschini, told Caribbean Business in an interview that Sanders officials were initially denied access to prisons to help inmates vote.
Our Bernie Sanders officials were never certified. We had 40 officials we submitted in time for the prisons. Not one of them was certified, while all of theirs went in. Attorney Manny Suárez had to go in order for us to be let in. This is a great fraud, Franceschini said.
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/dem-primaries/282228-sanders-campaign-accuses-puerto-rico-dem-officials-of-fraud
LonePirate
(13,408 posts)If you're going to swing a broad brush against alleged tactics from one side, you should also swing it against tactics from the other.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)it is a pattern
And I am over it. When the Rs steal it, I will care for the election integrity violation, but that is about it.
LonePirate
(13,408 posts)Seems like your partisanship is clouding your judgment.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)we have an exaggerated claim, with no proof, which gets shot down after the damage is done,. And this is about CA, you know why? We vote, my county is expecting presidential level turnout, (good thing, we need to pass prop I in this city), but this is what this is about. It also has a name, and has not been seen in this crass of a manner for at least two generations, It is called machine politics.
LonePirate
(13,408 posts)You deem some serious and others as exaggerations based simply on your own whims. Others might believe your commitment to the issue but your concern seems pretty unserious to me.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)since fraud was extensive where it mattered? Of course back then it was popular here.
So there is that. And we are getting to the point that 2016, regardless of who wins, has already crossed that line. Ah to be 18 back in Mexico City where we were all aware of this, and did not pretend...
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)...as to the reasons, we know them already. Nice record of posts in the last 90 days, BTW.
Pah-leeeze
brooklynite
(94,363 posts)...every time Clinton wins, Sanders SUPPORTERS claim cheating and the Sanders CAMPAIGN never challenges the results.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Ok,
So his people were certified in PR? It is a pattern and this one is about CA.
By the way, here is more, let me see if you knew that.Of course I like they did that, partly, should be done everywhere. But you know why they closed down to 450 precincts? Of course I need to go to Univisoon, becuase your vaunted MSNBC about this, why they needed to certify, observers, it makes more sense. They were going to count by hand, So you need observers.
You Spanish is good?
http://www.univision.com/nueva-york/wxtv/noticias/primarias-puerto-rico/un-reto-poder-votar-en-la-primaria-del-partido-democrata-en-puerto-rico
This is actually worst, Why they needed all those certified campaign observers. Those are authorized and certified by the parties, not the campaigns.
brooklynite
(94,363 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)An inside joke, for Democratic primary news junkies, but very apt.
reformist2
(9,841 posts)QC
(26,371 posts)Johnny Depp will star in the film version.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)Totally unbelievable. Some people will believe anything.
LonePirate
(13,408 posts)Perhaps you should put aside your partisan blinders and look at the truth.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)They aren't neutral.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)LonePirate
(13,408 posts)It's you.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)lied to smear Bernie Sanders.
LonePirate
(13,408 posts)You're just ranting nonsensically here.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)this one?
or this one
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/5/18/1528000/-Barbara-Boxer-I-feared-for-my-safety-It-was-frightening-scary-at-Nevada-convention
This is part of the pattern, one of the better known. By the way, machine politics does work this way. It is crass, it is disgusting and we had a revolt outside of Chicago in 1968 becuase of shit like this. Democrats and Republcians have forgotten those lessons.
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)ThePhilosopher04
(1,732 posts)LonePirate
(13,408 posts)Put aside your partisanship and look at the facts.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)That could explain tonight's ambush spin storm about Bernie somehow suppressing the vote in Puerto Rico.
chillfactor
(7,573 posts)according to bernie and his supporters...I will be so happy when Skinner's new policies go into place after Tuesday.....I am really really sick of bernie and his supporters.
Howler
(4,225 posts)Because I am sick of Clinton and her supporters.
TwilightZone
(25,428 posts)No problems at all in those states.
(I'm being sarcastic, of course....)
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)Robert Prats, president of the Democratic Party on the island, said the 455 locations are four times more than the number of polling locations open in the Republican primary in March.
Supporters of Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders were up in arms over the cuts, with supporters tweeting about the change. A "Sanders for President" reddit page also called the reduction "about as bad as Arizona" and dozens of Sanders supporters voiced concerns about the cuts on the page.
But the local party told MSNBC that the Sanders campaign had requested fewer stations.
dubyadiprecession
(5,697 posts)Suppressing their vote? So what other group will come out to vote, if they can't vote at the polls? Last time i checked, the island is 99% latino. BS supporters are getting extremely desperate.
anotherproletariat
(1,446 posts)amborin
(16,631 posts)Lars39
(26,107 posts)that the polling locations were cut because of austerity measures?
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jun/05/puerto-rico-democratic-primary-debt-crisis
Per The Guardian:
Now, further austerity cuts have slashed polling stations to fewer than one-third of the 1,115 sites originally announced last month, sparking accusations from supporters of Bernie Sanders of voter suppression.
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)People who do not read are JUST THAT, Lars.
Lars39
(26,107 posts)but I'm now leaning towards malicious obtuseness.
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)You coined the DUzy of this campaign season thus far...
Lars39
(26,107 posts)But this primary's like a cavalry charge...they run you over coming and going. Beats all I've seen here since 2002.
MFM008
(19,803 posts)Renew Deal
(81,847 posts)RandySF
(58,511 posts)cry baby
(6,682 posts)Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)brush
(53,743 posts)Last edited Mon Jun 6, 2016, 10:01 AM - Edit history (1)
Do you mean they tried to shut down the whole election?
Who do you think the voters are in Puerto Rico?
TwilightZone
(25,428 posts)Don't know much about PR, I guess? lol
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)Renew Deal
(81,847 posts)Tarc
(10,472 posts)Gothmog
(144,939 posts)You have to give the state more than ten minutes to approve these people. Sanders showed up late and again expected special treatment http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/dem-primaries/282237-puerto-rico-democratic-party-denies-wrongdoing-in-primary
Franceschini had accused party officials in Puerto Rico of withholding certifications from Sanders officials, initially preventing them from organizing voters in prisons.
"The claim that the Democratic Party is delaying the certification of the Sanders' poll workers is preposterous. The first complete set of pollworkers for tomorrow's primary we have certified were all from the Sanders Campaign."
Prats also said certifying poll workers is out of the hands of the party and that the Sanders campaign did not allow much time before it began accusing the party of fraud.
"Inmate voting is handled not by the Democratic Party but by the Commonwealth's Absentee and Advance Vote Administrative Board," Prats said. "I have been told that the Sanders campaign submitted their prison pollworker list at 6:10 pm on the evening prior to inmate voting and began complaining early in the following morning that the Board had not completed their pollworker's certification. But in the end, despite the late submittal, the Sanders campaign had representatives at the prison voting places."