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andym

(5,443 posts)
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 11:54 AM Jun 2016

Bernie has two ways forward if Clinton gets a majority of pledged delegates on Tuesday

1) Try to take the campaign to the convention and convince the delegates not legally pledged to a candidate on the first round of voting to vote for him instead: the superdelegates. Reagan did this in 1976 in the GOP under somewhat similar situation (Ford had a majority of pledged delegates, but not enough to secure the nomination without legally uncommitted delegates) and almost wrested the nomination away from a sitting President at an open convention. You can be be sure that Weaver knows this. The differences are that in the current situation the Democratic superdelegates have mostly already let their preferences be known, and the recent tradition in the Democratic Party is to back the candidate with the most pledged votes. The real difference is more significant: Reagan had the advantage of ardent conservatives in position of power in the GOP that had been gained by the conservative partisans that had taken increasing power since Goldwater's defeat 12 years before. Contrastingly, the progressive wing of the Democratic Party is much weaker than its counterpart in the GOP in 1976. Many if not most of the superdelegates would be considered moderates and establishment by Sanders. It will be difficult to convince the mostly establishment superdelegates to change their minds.

2) Suspend the campaign in return for power in a potential position in the Clinton administration (or course not a legal quid pro quo). The most obvious thing to ask is that Bernie or a person he designates be made Vice President. Why? If he believes that the email server scandal will really take Clinton down, then having control of the VP position would make a strong case that Bernie or his designated person would become the nominee. If the email scandal is really much ado about nothing, and Hillary is elected then the VP can have the bully pulpit and maintain constant pressure on Hillary to be progressive. Of course, it is unclear that Hillary and her campaign would offer such a "deal."

3) Suspend the campaign and help defeat Trump without any conditions (is this really in Bernie's campaign's playbook?). So really 3 choices, but...

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Bernie has two ways forward if Clinton gets a majority of pledged delegates on Tuesday (Original Post) andym Jun 2016 OP
Or he can concede gracefully and endorse Clinton, as he's indicated that he would. TwilightZone Jun 2016 #1
campagining for clinton is betreyal Robbins Jun 2016 #12
You should probably start preparing for the inevitable. TwilightZone Jun 2016 #15
doesn't matter Robbins Jun 2016 #17
Tick tock...nt SidDithers Jun 2016 #16
Bernie wil be under the bus soon nt firebrand80 Jun 2016 #27
He only has one option. Concede with grace. Demanding VP approval would be an insult. CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #2
He's not looking for a cabinet position. mmonk Jun 2016 #3
I know you guys say stuff like this Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #25
He despises the Democratic Party. No way does he belong there. randome Jun 2016 #4
I think Bernie wants to move the Party leftwards andym Jun 2016 #5
Hopefully his failure won't have the opposite effect. randome Jun 2016 #34
we were just the ones decent enough to try and let him in MariaThinks Jun 2016 #31
Get this straight... onecaliberal Jun 2016 #6
That "O" word has worn thin, It really does not apply here in the US, regardless of what Bernie says tonyt53 Jun 2016 #8
But how best to fight the oligarchy when the Party is not likely to give him the nomination? andym Jun 2016 #11
There ARE more of us than them. onecaliberal Jun 2016 #13
The party supports the oligarchy Robbins Jun 2016 #14
Well, given that Sanders apcalc Jun 2016 #32
Bernie ran for bernie. Otherwise he would never suggest the use of Superdelegates to overcome the MariaThinks Jun 2016 #33
People are so angry they forget to vote? randome Jun 2016 #35
4) Shift his focus to electing progressives to Congress and building Blue Meany Jun 2016 #7
Now that would be a change. So far he has helped but one person running for the Senate in Nov. tonyt53 Jun 2016 #9
That wouid be great andym Jun 2016 #10
Yeah Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #24
That is precisely what his campaign is already doing. BRAND NEW CONGRESS is the name Live and Learn Jun 2016 #18
The only way forward for the nation is with a progressive agenda. Orsino Jun 2016 #19
I think local politics are key. Garrett78 Jun 2016 #28
He really has no bargaining chips. MoonRiver Jun 2016 #20
(1) Take Note: That divisive struggle weakened Ford and led to his defeat in 1976. Agnosticsherbet Jun 2016 #21
Bernie has no say in the VP choice. Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #22
"The most obvious thing to ask is that Bernie or a person he designates be made Vice President." BobbyDrake Jun 2016 #23
You got to love how the OP says when Bernie cuts a deal for himself... bettyellen Jun 2016 #29
The hypocrisy is astounding. I'm so glad I was smart enough not to fall for that con artist. BobbyDrake Jun 2016 #36
I pick door #2 Chuck floppyboo Jun 2016 #26
i bet bernie will neve do #3 MariaThinks Jun 2016 #30

TwilightZone

(25,426 posts)
1. Or he can concede gracefully and endorse Clinton, as he's indicated that he would.
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 11:57 AM
Jun 2016

He can then campaign for her and for down-ticket Democrats, because the first step to a more progressive agenda is to give the president a more amenable Congress.

This probably isn't as complicated as many would like to believe.

Robbins

(5,066 posts)
12. campagining for clinton is betreyal
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 12:13 PM
Jun 2016

as is campagining for dems who showed they are no progressives by supporting clinton.They all fully embraced clinton's neocon neoliberal corporate agenda.

CLinton is enemy of everything bernie and his supporters support and fight for.

TwilightZone

(25,426 posts)
15. You should probably start preparing for the inevitable.
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 12:30 PM
Jun 2016

If Sanders is true to his word, he will support Clinton in the general election.

If he wants to move the agenda to the left, he'll support down-ticket Democrats as well, even the 95% of them that you don't like. The first step to a more progressive agenda is getting a Congress that is more amenable to one.

Robbins

(5,066 posts)
17. doesn't matter
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 12:36 PM
Jun 2016

there is no place for left agenda in democratic party.that has been proven in this primary.they want a corporate neocon agenda.
CLinton and Obama prove this.

doesn't matter what he does i won't vote for clinton.she is enemy to everything i believe in and is hostile to my self intrests.
you would have to be crazy if like me you are on social safety net to vote for ms wall street.

mmonk

(52,589 posts)
3. He's not looking for a cabinet position.
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 11:58 AM
Jun 2016

He decided to step forward for our cause when no one else did.

Demsrule86

(68,456 posts)
25. I know you guys say stuff like this
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 12:52 PM
Jun 2016

But I just don't see how he did anyone but himself and the Republicans any good with his candidacy.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
4. He despises the Democratic Party. No way does he belong there.
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 11:58 AM
Jun 2016

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

andym

(5,443 posts)
5. I think Bernie wants to move the Party leftwards
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 11:59 AM
Jun 2016

He may not like the current state of the party, but that doesn't mean he wants to cut bait with it.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
34. Hopefully his failure won't have the opposite effect.
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 01:37 PM
Jun 2016

If he continues bad-mouthing the Democratic nominee all through the convention, he will serve no one's purpose, not even his own since he's already lost.

After 25 years in the Senate, why didn't he prepare for this by building alliances and partners? He should have laid the groundwork more than a year earlier than he started. Clinton had a head start simply because she started way before Sanders did.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

onecaliberal

(32,777 posts)
6. Get this straight...
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 12:01 PM
Jun 2016

Bernie ran because our country desperately needed someone with a voice for the 99%. The Oligarchy has taken over everything. He is the ONLY voice that isn't owned. He is truly for the people. The corporate vultures have no idea how angry people are but they will when the pitchforks and torches come for them, and make no mistake, they will.

 

tonyt53

(5,737 posts)
8. That "O" word has worn thin, It really does not apply here in the US, regardless of what Bernie says
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 12:05 PM
Jun 2016

Bernie has had years to do something, but I never heard of him until about two years ago, and I've kept up with Washington since I have been registered to vote (45 years). Bernie has always been a follower. He doesn't know how to lead.

andym

(5,443 posts)
11. But how best to fight the oligarchy when the Party is not likely to give him the nomination?
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 12:11 PM
Jun 2016

Given that the superdelegates are mostly comfortable with the status quo and are the "establishment"?

onecaliberal

(32,777 posts)
13. There ARE more of us than them.
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 12:13 PM
Jun 2016

We have to start local and take it back. It will take time, it might be too late for the planet already though. They did all of this while we sat back and said, but the republicans are worse. I despise the people who are using fear and hold your nose party unity bullshit. They are WHY we are in this horrendous situation. No more insanity for me.

Robbins

(5,066 posts)
14. The party supports the oligarchy
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 12:15 PM
Jun 2016

they proved that during this primary.you can't fight oligarchy in democratic party when clintons are in pocket of them.

apcalc

(4,462 posts)
32. Well, given that Sanders
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 12:59 PM
Jun 2016

Could have run for president any number of times previously, I wonder why he did this now...

Any thoughts?
I am thinking several things....

MariaThinks

(2,495 posts)
33. Bernie ran for bernie. Otherwise he would never suggest the use of Superdelegates to overcome the
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 01:00 PM
Jun 2016

will of the other delegates.

For him to even suggest this shows that he argues for his own good and not on principle.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
35. People are so angry they forget to vote?
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 01:39 PM
Jun 2016

The Oligarchy has nothing to do with Clinton winning the nomination.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

 

Blue Meany

(1,947 posts)
7. 4) Shift his focus to electing progressives to Congress and building
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 12:04 PM
Jun 2016

an enduring organization to support progressives using the strategies that propelled his campaign.

 

tonyt53

(5,737 posts)
9. Now that would be a change. So far he has helped but one person running for the Senate in Nov.
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 12:06 PM
Jun 2016

Oh, his strategies haven't worked out so well.

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
18. That is precisely what his campaign is already doing. BRAND NEW CONGRESS is the name
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 12:36 PM
Jun 2016

and great people are all ready working to attract and support candidates that believe in real progressive values.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
19. The only way forward for the nation is with a progressive agenda.
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 12:38 PM
Jun 2016

Getting hung up on particular candidates or delegate math is counterproductive. The only way we'll get the progressive change we need is by lobbying our nominee and new president unceasingly, because Big Money will be whispering in her/his ear 24/7.

This is the only useful definition of "forward."

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
28. I think local politics are key.
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 12:55 PM
Jun 2016

Hold your nose and vote for Clinton in November, but help lay the groundwork for systemic change by organizing at the local level. That's my suggestion.

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
20. He really has no bargaining chips.
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 12:45 PM
Jun 2016

He needs to concede when it is clear to everybody that he has lost. If he bows out gracefully, it is very possible he will be given a position to help effect policy decisions. If not, then he becomes irrelevant. It's all in his hands.

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
21. (1) Take Note: That divisive struggle weakened Ford and led to his defeat in 1976.
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 12:46 PM
Jun 2016

(2) It is likely that Clinton will ask someone the left likes anyway, say Warren. That would strengthen Warren's chances.

(3) Sanders playbook appears to be to build a movement. Whatever he does, it will be aimed at strengthening the left.

Demsrule86

(68,456 posts)
22. Bernie has no say in the VP choice.
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 12:50 PM
Jun 2016

The first woman president is not going to have conditions to her candidacy.

 

BobbyDrake

(2,542 posts)
23. "The most obvious thing to ask is that Bernie or a person he designates be made Vice President."
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 12:50 PM
Jun 2016


That's a steaming pile of bullshit right there.
 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
29. You got to love how the OP says when Bernie cuts a deal for himself...
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 12:58 PM
Jun 2016

It's not quid pro quo or back room dealing. When HE does it it's okay, but no one else of course. HA

 

BobbyDrake

(2,542 posts)
36. The hypocrisy is astounding. I'm so glad I was smart enough not to fall for that con artist.
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 02:20 PM
Jun 2016

Because that's what a politician is when he claims he's an "outsider" and a "populist" and then tries to make backroom deals for his own benefit.

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