No excuse for Clinton’s flouting of email rules

[pinebox]

Well, this is the truth, there really isn't.
Make sure you read that caption under the photo. True story. Drip drip.....

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[tonyt53]

1. Still waiting for the FBI to bail out Bernie?

[pinebox]

2. Can you tell us where I mentioned Bernie?

I didn't. This is about Hillary.
Care to add anything to the story?

[lewebley3]

10. Hillary was cleared in the report: is just Sanders people attacking because of loss

[pinebox]

17. Hillary hasn't been cleared, the FBI is still investigating her

Cleared would mean the case would be done, it isn't at all by any means

[Matt_in_STL]

3. Shouldn't require "bailing out"

We are about to nominate a candidate under Federal investigation who has refused to interview with the State IG and the FBI. We would be destroying Republicans for behavior like this but suddenly it is okay. Whether Bernie was to take the nomination or they dropped in another candidate is irrelevant. Democrats lose any moral high ground with this one.

[highprincipleswork]

5. No transcripts. State Dept blocks release of TPP e-mails. FBI investigation. This is the candidate

you want?

[lewebley3]

11. Hillary was cleared: This email things was a political attack only

[highprincipleswork]

14. In no way was she cleared. She was cited for breaking the rules very clearly. What is yet unclear

is whether or not charges will be brought against her or against those around her.

You do realize that she doesn't have to be indicted for this to kneecap her chances in November, and ours with her?

[lewebley3]

20. The rule has no penalty: and 80% of the current government is not compliant and

its law now.

[leveymg]

27. 80% of the current gov't isn't noncompliant with the Sec 793 felony provisions of the Espionage Act

because only one person, to our knowledge, has ever dared to operate a private, uncertified communications channel for all official agency business on which classified information was frequently traded with complete disregard for secrecy laws and the known risk of disclosure.

This isn't normal, even for heads of agencies.

[lewebley3]

28. The report said there was no classified information in Hillary emails: She was cleared

[leveymg]

31. You are in an alternate universe. The DOS IG report pointedly avoided classified information issues

and dealt narrowly with Departmental regulations and policy, finding that HRC violated many, many rules. The State Dept IG report didn't touch on violations of classified information law, at all.

Are you thinking ahead in an inverted time warp to your own fictional version of the forthcoming FBI report? Or, do you just enjoy making stuff up and being contrary? She was "cleared." Ha, ha - very amusing.

[lewebley3]

37. They haven't been investigated particularly the GOP: What we do know

that emails are still not being copied and hand over every-time one
is created.

[leveymg]

40. The Bush Administration also destroyed emails en mass. But there's a Statute of Limitations

that applies to most of that which presents a real restriction to any prosecution of Bush-era violations. That's an important practical, as well as legal difference.

There is another difference, one of degree as well as whether the offenses can be prosecuted. The destruction of records crimes of Hillary, I think, is secondary to her disregard for normal procedures of protecting classified information from unauthorized disclosure. The continued use of her Blackberry hooked up to an uncertified private server for all of her official communications, after being expressly warned about her unsecure handheld, is a new low in wholesale disregard for information security rules.

But, far more serious is her violations of Sec. 793 of the Espionage Act. Her private server contained over 2,200 messages and attachments containing classified information. She, herself, not only sent 104 of these classified messages, but encouraged others to do so, as well, in spite of laws that make it a felony to fail to report the observed mishandling of classified materials by others. Perhaps most legally significant, are 22 emails containing information that originated with other agencies previously classified at the Top Secret/SAP level, and five have been identified to reveal the identities of intelligence officers.

No Secretary of State or other high government official has ever mishandled classified materials on this scale, and none is ever likely to again.

[lewebley3]

42. I G cleared Hillary: report said no classifeid informaiton was in her emails

[lewebley3]

44. I G. report said there was no wrong doing: Hillary's emails were

empty of classified info. No laws were broken and that most of the
government was not following rules. Hillary has been singled out
for political reasons.

[libdem4life]

6. Typical. Sad.

[lewebley3]

8. Hillary was cleared by the report: this is Sanders sour propaganda

[jeff47]

15. Nope. In fact, the report explicitly stated she violated the rules.

Whether or not those are criminal violations is awaiting another report.

It will be leaked in October. It will claim the FBI wanted to prosecute. Whether or not that is actually true. And the media will have a great time talking about it at length.

It's like you guys have completely forgotten how Republicans operate.

[lewebley3]

21. The rule has no penalty: 80% of the current government is not in compliance

and its been law since 2014: So Hillary was only single out of for
a political attacks: and reports about the FBI have proven to be
false: from the report Hillary was one of the least offenders.

[jeff47]

34. Wrong rule. That's FOIA. She also violated lots of other rules regarding

information security and emails.

[lewebley3]

36. There was no clarity too the rules: they were ambiguous: that why most didn't follow

them.

[lewebley3]

43. She was cleared: I G said rules were "ambiguous" and emails had nothing important

in them. The FBI cannot bring charges of any kind:

[hughee99]

41. One of the least offenders? I thought the report cleared her? nt

[lewebley3]

45. The report said there was not criminal violations of any kind

[libdem4life]

4. As an aside, speaking of San Antonio, Julian Castro was once mentioned

as her running mate. At the time...before all of this garbage...I saw that as a powerful winning combination. Some felt that was the reason for his invitation to DC as housing Secretary.

Pretty sure that's a non-starter now. He's squeaky clean and young enough to wait around...maybe for president. Now that's a ceiling I'd love to see broken...and he has the childhood poverty/1st generation Hispanic background along with impressive educational credentials to bring a strong dose of honor and duty and ethics into national politics.

ETA: Strong and lifelong Leftish politics, as well.

[lewebley3]

9. If Hillary choses Castro: he happy to work with her: He is a big fan

[libdem4life]

12. There is a difference between a "fan" and someone willing to sacrifice their

entire, nigh spotless, political career on the altar of HRCs, um, record.

That was then. Are you sure about now? If you have a link, then I'll believe it and be sorely disappointed. I doubt you are in his inner circle.

[lewebley3]

22. No one who is on Hilary's ticket will feel it is a sacrifice: it will be a great honor.

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[libdem4life]

24. Yeah...they'll be constantly harassed by the press about the Impeachment

Process, and whether they feel they can take over...the script just writes itself. And they'll have no say in anything...given the uber-scripted Clinton Group. Talk about an automaton.

As opposed to those in The Bubble, the political world absolutely knows. It's not an emotional event. It's business...and the business will be just like Bill v. 2.0 At least had one good term before the Impeachment hit. Of course, he'd been doing it for decades and had been able to squelch any whistleblower.

Hillary does not have those advantages. She is not a charismatic politician. She comes in with strong negatives, a history of "creatively interpreting" issues. The excuse is stupidity, at best. Her net unfavorability ratings are only equalled by Trump. That's not good news, in case you were wondering.

And, the Republicans are so ready for her. They did not hate Bill. They liked him...he helped them with their agenda. Well, until Monica.

They hated Obama because he was black, and did a lot of damage to his campaign and subsequent election, but he was squeaky clean and a great politician and a great man. He has a special place in Black History, as well as US History.

But there is something dreadfully "special" about their hate for Hillary. I don't get it, but it's there in spades. Then there's Mark Cuban as VP being floated out there...OMG is all I can say to that.

[lewebley3]

30. GOP are always going after all Dem's and trying to impeach: it won't work

[libdem4life]

33. It's not the act, it's the drama. I've been around, I'm sure, a few decades more than

you, based on your naivete and declarations of Real Truth. Bill was marginally good with the Republicans...the Establishment, if you will. He was probably their second choice for President.

But the Monica scandal allowed those who disliked him and didn't trust him (Slick Willie) to make his last term was shameful and miserable for most of us. Him, not so much, I'm sure. He mostly brushed it off...as Hillary is trying to do. She just doesn't have the BS skills he has.

Now we have the road paved ahead of them...whether it works or not is, frankly, irrelevant. It's all in the playing out of it. His was libido...hers is years of hatred and the hubris that makes for stupid actions...likely begun in earnest when she "stepped out of line" and tried to get through an unpopular health care plan...as a spouse. I'm sure she made a lot of enemies with that, but I wasn't that politically engaged at the time.

Since then...they've been out to get her...plain and simple. And she's given them much fodder to chew on and make any administration look miserable. The Clinton Shuffle is winding down, even if she does become president.

This is not one-dimensional...sorry to say.

[Lord Magus]

7. If an editorial board in San Antonio says so, how can she ever recover?

[libdem4life]

13. Two weeks, eh?

[Downtown Hound]

16. Blah, blah, blah, whatever.

If the corporate media and the Republican Party are willing to overlook Bush's illegal invasion of Iraq and the lies he told to make it happen, not to mention his use of torture and other war crimes, I'm willing to overlook the fact that Hillary used a private email server. Whatever damage Hillary did to national security (if there really was any at all) pales in comparison to Bush destabilizing the Middle East and ruining our position of moral authority in the world.

[Tarc]

18. 10 days

[tabasco]

19. She lawyered up and is remaining silent.

Such an inspiring candidate.

[lewebley3]

23. Hillary was smart to lawyer up: The GOP and New York times are working together

[tabasco]

35. Inspiring!

[libdem4life]

25. And her aides are scheduled for Depositions...it's the truth or the pokey.

Even she can't shield them from that.

I wonder what her legal bill is, for herself and her aides on top of the salary and benefits of these folk. Good thing she and Bill have those speeches to fall back on. A DC lawyer defending in this situation...I don't know, maybe $1,000 an hour? Deep pockets and shady situations create sky high rates. Just a guess. Anyone else know the fee?

[randome]

26. Yet another Sanders supporter doing all he can to avoid talking about Sanders.

smh.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

[HumanityExperiment]

29. troubling

What's troubling me is, if HRC went to that length to obstruct FOIA requests as SoS imagine what she will do if POTUS...

lack of transparency was and is an issue with me concerning Obama when he campaigned and didn't follow through...

we KNOW what HRC did as SoS so.. if she follows similar path, POTUS could and would be much worse...

[Maedhros]

32. All this hyperventilating over Clinton's email scandal is absolutely unfounded!

Look, the Watergate scandal hit in May 1972 - 6 months prior to the general election - and Nixon won in an historic landslide.

Things will turn out for Hillary just as well as they did for Nixon, so relax.

[Fumesucker]

38. Most transparent administration EVAH!

[Bill USA]

39. The Hillary Clinton e-mail ‘scandal’ that isn’t

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-hillary-clinton-e-mail-scandal-that-isnt/2015/08/27/b1cabed8-4cf4-11e5-902f-39e9219e574b_story.html

Does Hillary Clinton have a serious legal problem because she may have transmitted classified information on her private e-mail server? After talking with a half-dozen knowledgeable lawyers, I think this “scandal” is overstated. Using the server was a self-inflicted wound by Clinton, but it’s not something a prosecutor would take to court.

“It’s common” that people end up using unclassified systems to transmit classified information, said Jeffrey Smith, a former CIA general counsel who’s now a partner at Arnold & Porter, where he often represents defendants suspected of misusing classified information.

“There are always these back channels,” Smith explained. “It’s inevitable, because the classified systems are often cumbersome and lots of people have access to the classified e-mails or cables.” People who need quick guidance about a sensitive matter often pick up the phone or send a message on an open system. They shouldn’t, but they do.

“It’s common knowledge that the classified communications system is impossible and isn’t used,” said one former high-level Justice Department official. Several former prosecutors said flatly that such sloppy, unauthorized practices, although technically violations of law, wouldn’t normally lead to criminal cases.
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