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I really don' t appreciate democrats essentially calling Hillary evil. (Original Post) boston bean Jun 2016 OP
Are those calling her evil really Democrats? hrmjustin Jun 2016 #1
I think the same way. nt Andy823 Jun 2016 #55
I was about to post the same thing. Thanks. Bleacher Creature Jun 2016 #2
Most of those calling names aren't Democrats or people that ever participated in out voting tonyt53 Jun 2016 #3
Someone made the point that their lesser of two evil is our Sanders/Trump lesser of two evils seabeyond Jun 2016 #4
This notable gentleman would strongly agree with you: Herman4747 Jun 2016 #5
.+1 840high Jun 2016 #7
Fun melman Jun 2016 #6
Lucifer himself is the lesser evil compared to Donald bonemachine Jun 2016 #8
It's a metaphor. thesquanderer Jun 2016 #9
The problem being, Trump really is evil. puffy socks Jun 2016 #29
I agree. treestar Jun 2016 #10
Well perhaps when Clinton supporters stop Warren Stupidity Jun 2016 #11
Is hypocrite okay if he doesn't figure out a compromise to suspend campaign but keep working for... moriah Jun 2016 #39
As was already pointed out, its a freaking metaphor.....jeesh.... Sivart Jun 2016 #12
Exactly. progressoid Jun 2016 #13
One that numerous fanatics don't know the difference and Sanders knows this uponit7771 Jun 2016 #18
No, it absolutely isn't. Donald Ian Rankin Jun 2016 #61
Correction: Alleged Democrats. PepperHarlan Jun 2016 #14
This message was self-deleted by its author artislife Jun 2016 #15
How about the least worst of two bad choices? Armstead Jun 2016 #16
Moral relativism is, well, relative. Orsino Jun 2016 #17
some Dems say that every year, about Obama, Kerry, Gore, etc Fast Walker 52 Jun 2016 #19
A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong gives it a superficial appearance of being right. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2016 #20
One day they'll remember they are not republicans realmirage Jun 2016 #21
Want to see a collection of Hillary supporters on DU saying they hate Sanders? There are Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #22
I hate what he has been doing. And I don't really like him for it. boston bean Jun 2016 #23
The differnce is that you allow yourself and others to spew that you hate Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #25
I do?? That is what i said?? boston bean Jun 2016 #26
You are not an honest broker. Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #31
I am an honest broker. boston bean Jun 2016 #37
She isn't evil. She just has horrible judgment and entirely too much political baggage. phleshdef Jun 2016 #24
Baggage? Like being a proud supporter of communist ans socialist regimes and leaders? tonyt53 Jun 2016 #27
I don't care what red baiting idiots think. This isn't about Bernie either. Its about Hillary. phleshdef Jun 2016 #30
You brought up "judgement". So with Hillary it matters, but not with Bernie? Yeah, right tonyt53 Jun 2016 #33
Hillary is about to be the nominee. So yes, it does matter. And I STILL don't give a shit about... phleshdef Jun 2016 #38
Bernie's judgement and foresight are not in question. Hate blinds larkrake Jun 2016 #46
Most people over 55 have a very bad memory about everything! Zen Democrat Jun 2016 #49
And yet, you had to do it yourself in the OP. ieoeja Jun 2016 #28
she is far from an angel. she is a wort compared to a boil(trump) so is the lesser of two evils larkrake Jun 2016 #44
Imperfect, as most politicians are including Bernie Zambero Jun 2016 #32
I made my decision based on the issues I care about, not on what any posters would say. Zen Democrat Jun 2016 #50
K&R mcar Jun 2016 #34
Pinhead has the proper quote: Juicy_Bellows Jun 2016 #35
I agree. hamsterjill Jun 2016 #36
It is possible. Miles Archer Jun 2016 #63
The people who hate Hillary the most have already moved on to that "radicals" site they set up for BobbyDrake Jun 2016 #40
Really? Send me the link to that. boston bean Jun 2016 #41
yeah, post a link showing where they call her the C word. notadmblnd Jun 2016 #53
I hope you have a good recipe for crow. You're gonna need one. BobbyDrake Jun 2016 #54
Why would I have to eat crow? notadmblnd Jun 2016 #57
Nom nom nom. Enjoy your crow. nt BobbyDrake Jun 2016 #58
Sounds like you've some experience with this crow of yours. notadmblnd Jun 2016 #60
Here's one. Donald Ian Rankin Jun 2016 #62
Evil? No. Venal and corrupt, yes. hobbit709 Jun 2016 #42
Even if she were, nobody yet has ever been able to explain whatthehey Jun 2016 #43
About 2 months Jamaal510 Jun 2016 #45
evil, to me is willingly harming people. She does that regularly. She shows no respect larkrake Jun 2016 #47
yes MariaThinks Jun 2016 #48
As noted below, Kissinger's buddy. HERVEPA Jun 2016 #51
Here. Shadowflash Jun 2016 #52
yes she's so very angelic Bill Kristol made a lame attempt to insure her the presidency azurnoir Jun 2016 #56
BB; those are Republicans "for" Bernie doing that. McCarthyism is repugnant to Democrats. Bill USA Jun 2016 #59
I don't appreciate KULawHawk Jun 2016 #64
If you're going to get all biblical, Satan was an angel. intheflow Jun 2016 #65
They are not Democrats. baldguy Jun 2016 #66

Bleacher Creature

(11,237 posts)
2. I was about to post the same thing. Thanks.
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 01:28 PM
Jun 2016

I support her unequivocally. That said, I don't think she's perfect (who is?) and look forward to pushing her as far to the left as I can during her Presidency.

 

tonyt53

(5,737 posts)
3. Most of those calling names aren't Democrats or people that ever participated in out voting
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 01:28 PM
Jun 2016

Most are just registered as independents, and some as Democrats. Hillary didn't say the magic words " free college tuition and free healthcare". If those people think their worlds will be any better under Trump or anybody else the GOP may end up with, they are indeed very naive and deserve what they get wrought upon them. Trump?GOP can't hurt me, but they sure can make the lives of my grown kids and my grandkids miserable. i will not stand idly by and let that happen without a fight.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
4. Someone made the point that their lesser of two evil is our Sanders/Trump lesser of two evils
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 01:29 PM
Jun 2016

And ya, most of us would be voting for the lesser of two evil if having to vote for Sanders.

So, though Sanders nor Clinton are "evil", I can see that in a different manner.

 

Herman4747

(1,825 posts)
5. This notable gentleman would strongly agree with you:
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 01:37 PM
Jun 2016

"As the Honduras coup showed, Hillary has learned so well from my lessons!"

thesquanderer

(11,955 posts)
9. It's a metaphor.
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 01:40 PM
Jun 2016

It means picking the less undesirable of two undesirable options. The people in the comparison are not literally being called evil.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
10. I agree.
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 01:41 PM
Jun 2016

Disagreement over who is the better candidate is one thing, but exaggerating about the other Democrat and turning them into the Devil is not called for - save that for the Republicans. There is way too much plain hatred of Hillary - doesn't make sense. I'm not going to hate any other Democrat, even Bernie.

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
11. Well perhaps when Clinton supporters stop
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 01:43 PM
Jun 2016

attacking Sanders as a racist, a sexist, a liar, a conman, a stalking horse for trump, a communist....

moriah

(8,311 posts)
39. Is hypocrite okay if he doesn't figure out a compromise to suspend campaign but keep working for...
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 03:38 PM
Jun 2016

.... the ideas his voters want to be on the platform before June 21st, if Hillary wins in pledged delegates?

Edit: That's my self-imposed date before I will actually believe he intends a truly contested Convention. He can't be seen to be giving up on his supporters until voting is complete.

progressoid

(49,827 posts)
13. Exactly.
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 02:05 PM
Jun 2016

I've been voting for the lesser of two (or three or four) evils for a few decades now. That's politics.

Donald Ian Rankin

(13,598 posts)
61. No, it absolutely isn't.
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 06:43 PM
Jun 2016

If you doubt that, look up all the posts saying "I'm not voting for evil".

A lot of Sanders supporters absolutely, literally, believe that Clinton is evil.

Response to boston bean (Original post)

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
17. Moral relativism is, well, relative.
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 02:09 PM
Jun 2016

If Donald Trump is now a benchmark for evil, the country is lost.

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
20. A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong gives it a superficial appearance of being right.
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 02:22 PM
Jun 2016
A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong gives it a superficial appearance of being right. Thomas Paine

Is she "less evil" than Trump? Yes. Is she "not as bad" as Trump? Yes. Is she acceptable as president? No.

Fortunately, my ballot comes with more than 2 choices.
 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
22. Want to see a collection of Hillary supporters on DU saying they hate Sanders? There are
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 02:56 PM
Jun 2016

many. 'I hate him' they say. Hate. Not 'essentially' but flatly, clearly and without hesitation. Glass houses and all that.

boston bean

(36,186 posts)
23. I hate what he has been doing. And I don't really like him for it.
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 03:00 PM
Jun 2016

But if he were the nominee, I would vote for him over Trump, NO hesitation.

You see, there is a difference there.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
25. The differnce is that you allow yourself and others to spew that you hate
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 03:07 PM
Jun 2016

Sanders but you have different rules for others so you affect that the idiom 'lesser of two evils' is a literal thing and not a figure of speech and you proclaim that people have 'essentially' said something that offends you. Of course they did not say that. So you get to say 'I hate' and relish your own hate for Democrats while affecting that such things astonish you when others do them?
The very picture of hypocrisy. Essentially.


I don't hate Hillary for all that ignorant ass Reagan praise at the expense of history and truth, I just want her to cease and to correct and to take initiative to explain why and how she could say such a thing and then make damn well sure the American public knows the truth. I have never been so disgusted with any candiate's tactics as I am with hers. But hate? That's far too much emotion for some politician to invoke. That's not healthy.

I'm not crazy about the fact that her supporters are all slap happy about Reagan the AIDS hero and that they refused to take her to task for that. I don't trust them because of that and the habitual lies about flying chairs and 'that's not Bernie in those photos'. Because of all the antisemitic posters that attacked him here. We all know that, so don't pull the coy. To me, her cohort is just a toupee hair away from being like Trump's cohort. Loving Reagan, lying about good people, lots of name calling and taunting. I do not care for that stuff.

She's better than Trump, so am I, so are you. So are so many others. God help us all.

 

phleshdef

(11,936 posts)
24. She isn't evil. She just has horrible judgment and entirely too much political baggage.
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 03:01 PM
Jun 2016

At least half of that baggage is right wing bullshit, but the other half is entirely self inflicted stupidity.

 

tonyt53

(5,737 posts)
27. Baggage? Like being a proud supporter of communist ans socialist regimes and leaders?
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 03:13 PM
Jun 2016

Most people over 55 have a very bad memory of those two words and would never vote for Bernie because of it. Never.

 

phleshdef

(11,936 posts)
30. I don't care what red baiting idiots think. This isn't about Bernie either. Its about Hillary.
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 03:20 PM
Jun 2016

Trying to change the subject to a soon to be former candidate does not take away any of Hillary Clinton's mile high political baggage.

 

tonyt53

(5,737 posts)
33. You brought up "judgement". So with Hillary it matters, but not with Bernie? Yeah, right
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 03:27 PM
Jun 2016

And to dismiss those over 55 for being opposed to "reds", is the same attitude that Bernie had while dismissing the vote of minorities in the south, and everywhere else for that matter. Oh, and people over 55 vote reliably. People under 25 do not.

 

phleshdef

(11,936 posts)
38. Hillary is about to be the nominee. So yes, it does matter. And I STILL don't give a shit about...
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 03:34 PM
Jun 2016

...idiots who are afraid of the word "socialism" while they sit there and collect Social Security and use Medicare. You also don't give seniors enough credit. Not everyone over 55 is an unlearned, mouth breathing dumb ass who doesn't know the difference between Canada, the UK and Nordic countries vs the Bolsheviks and the Soviet Union.

Zen Democrat

(5,901 posts)
49. Most people over 55 have a very bad memory about everything!
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 04:33 PM
Jun 2016

But I'm over 55 and I have a great memory, and I voted for Bernie. Because I'm not ignorant enough to equate Communism with Democratic Socialism. There's a big difference in the world of the Soviet Union two decades ago, and the democratic socialism today in Denmark -- the happiest country in the world.

 

ieoeja

(9,748 posts)
28. And yet, you had to do it yourself in the OP.
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 03:18 PM
Jun 2016

"She is an angel compared to the don con."

You couldn't just call her an angel. You had to qualify that she is one only in contrast to Trump. Which leaves the implication that, judged solely on her own self, she is no angel.


 

larkrake

(1,674 posts)
44. she is far from an angel. she is a wort compared to a boil(trump) so is the lesser of two evils
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 03:49 PM
Jun 2016

Zambero

(8,954 posts)
32. Imperfect, as most politicians are including Bernie
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 03:23 PM
Jun 2016

But evil? No. Not close. And it is not only a mischaracterization but counterproductive as well. I remained undecided for months in this contest, but it was the cheap shots from some of Bernie's supporters, absent nuance of any sort, that eventually put me in Hillary's column.

hamsterjill

(15,214 posts)
36. I agree.
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 03:30 PM
Jun 2016

I believe it's possible to dislike a candidate without just getting nasty about it. I've seen a lot of nastiness over Hillary on DU and it's going to be nice once June 16th gets here and that gets cleaned up, at least to whatever level that it does get cleaned up.

Disagree all you like, but this woman deserves respect for those things which she has accomplished in her life of public service.

Miles Archer

(18,837 posts)
63. It is possible.
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 08:48 PM
Jun 2016

I've basically said three things about Clinton on this site...I don't like her, I don't trust her, I don't plan to vote for her.

And I say that in June. November is 5 months away, and I certainly don't want President Trump. So if I vote for her, it won't be because I believe in her, because I don't.

As far as getting nasty about it, I've gotten nasty on this site when faced with nastiness. That's generally called "taking the bait," and I'm not going to do it any more.

The level to which this site gets cleaned up on June 16th depends largely on everyone here. Attacks on Clinton won't be welcome, per Skinner. Any comments which are contrary to Clinton getting elected, or any which promote someone other than Clinton as the nominee, won't be welcome.

The other thing that won't be welcome...and a lot of people clearly do not get this...will be any ongoing sliming of Sanders or his supporters. Anyone who doesn't believe this needs to read Skinner's responses in ATA.

And yes, I am going to respectfully disagree with your comment that "this woman deserves respect for those things which she has accomplished in her life of public service." If that is what you choose to believe, I stand by your right to believe it. I don't deny for a second that she has had accomplishments worthy of praise. But on a "big picture" level, she's accomplished a few things I don't respect at all, and they are enough for me to say she is not my candidate, she never will be my candidate, and if I do vote for her to block Trump, it will be for that reason, and that reason only.

I wish I could see her through your eyes. I can't.

 

BobbyDrake

(2,542 posts)
40. The people who hate Hillary the most have already moved on to that "radicals" site they set up for
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 03:39 PM
Jun 2016

the sole purpose of being able to call her the C-word.

Donald Ian Rankin

(13,598 posts)
62. Here's one.
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 06:46 PM
Jun 2016
http://jackpineradicals.org/showthread.php?9921-TYT-Hillary-Doesn%92t-Care-About-Appealing-To-Bernie-Voters

This is the first one google throws up. I imagine there are plenty more where this one came from, but I'm really not going to wade through the sewer that is JPR to find them.

whatthehey

(3,660 posts)
43. Even if she were, nobody yet has ever been able to explain
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 03:42 PM
Jun 2016

to me what exactly is wrong with lessening evil when evil must prevail.

Even if you believe every fevered bit of nonsense that has ever been claimed about Clinton, or Sanders if that dim and ever dimming likelihood occurs, it's either them or Trump with the veto pen, the megaphone to the world, the reins of the economy, the judicial, executive and diplomatic nominating authority and the nuclear codes in a bit under a year. No-one else. No white knight or write-in miracle. That's your choice.

I dunno about the rest of you, but if I ever wake up strapped naked to a chair in the company of an unsympathetic loanshark with a roll of surgical tools, and he offers me the choice between losing my little toe and losing my carotid artery, I'm going to go for being called Joe Ninetoes the rest of my life and be pretty relieved. I'm not, once assured of no escape, going to leave the choice up to him by complaining that it's mean to cut off anything at all and hoping that Rambo bursts through the wall to rescue me at the last second. If you think both Dem and R nominees are evil in November, at least be realistic enough to accept that they similarly are the only options and pretending there are others just leaves the choice up to people who may not have your best interests at heart.

Jamaal510

(10,893 posts)
45. About 2 months
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 03:51 PM
Jun 2016

ago as I was standing in line to get groceries, I overheard some girls around my age talking about not "voting for the lesser of 2 evils" even though they claimed to also not want to help Trump win. I was tempted to say something, but I also didn't want to get into an argument with random strangers in the middle of a store. Many people have the idea that if they don't completely agree with a candidate, that automatically makes the candidate "evil" or "corrupt". Personally, I don't have to agree with all of a candidate's stances as long as I agree with most of what s/he is advocating and his/her overall agenda, and I'm not going to rely only on what ideological pundits say. No candidate is perfect, not even 3rd party candidates.

 

larkrake

(1,674 posts)
47. evil, to me is willingly harming people. She does that regularly. She shows no respect
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 03:57 PM
Jun 2016

to anyone but evil people (Kissinger, et . al.)

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
56. yes she's so very angelic Bill Kristol made a lame attempt to insure her the presidency
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 05:22 PM
Jun 2016

by trying to split the Republican vote -he backed off rather quickly when called on this obvious ploy

intheflow

(28,407 posts)
65. If you're going to get all biblical, Satan was an angel.
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 09:19 PM
Jun 2016

I agree she's better than Trump, but angels can be evil. Just sayin'.

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