2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumI really don' t appreciate democrats essentially calling Hillary evil.
ie you won't vote for the lesser of two evils.
She is not evil. She is an angel compared to the don con.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Or are they here to disrupt?
I know what i think.
Andy823
(11,495 posts)Bleacher Creature
(11,237 posts)I support her unequivocally. That said, I don't think she's perfect (who is?) and look forward to pushing her as far to the left as I can during her Presidency.
tonyt53
(5,737 posts)Most are just registered as independents, and some as Democrats. Hillary didn't say the magic words " free college tuition and free healthcare". If those people think their worlds will be any better under Trump or anybody else the GOP may end up with, they are indeed very naive and deserve what they get wrought upon them. Trump?GOP can't hurt me, but they sure can make the lives of my grown kids and my grandkids miserable. i will not stand idly by and let that happen without a fight.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)And ya, most of us would be voting for the lesser of two evil if having to vote for Sanders.
So, though Sanders nor Clinton are "evil", I can see that in a different manner.
Herman4747
(1,825 posts)"As the Honduras coup showed, Hillary has learned so well from my lessons!"
People pretending not to understand common expressions.
bonemachine
(757 posts)It's a low fuckin' bar.
thesquanderer
(11,955 posts)It means picking the less undesirable of two undesirable options. The people in the comparison are not literally being called evil.
puffy socks
(1,473 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)Disagreement over who is the better candidate is one thing, but exaggerating about the other Democrat and turning them into the Devil is not called for - save that for the Republicans. There is way too much plain hatred of Hillary - doesn't make sense. I'm not going to hate any other Democrat, even Bernie.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)attacking Sanders as a racist, a sexist, a liar, a conman, a stalking horse for trump, a communist....
moriah
(8,311 posts).... the ideas his voters want to be on the platform before June 21st, if Hillary wins in pledged delegates?
Edit: That's my self-imposed date before I will actually believe he intends a truly contested Convention. He can't be seen to be giving up on his supporters until voting is complete.
Sivart
(325 posts)progressoid
(49,827 posts)I've been voting for the lesser of two (or three or four) evils for a few decades now. That's politics.
uponit7771
(90,225 posts)Donald Ian Rankin
(13,598 posts)If you doubt that, look up all the posts saying "I'm not voting for evil".
A lot of Sanders supporters absolutely, literally, believe that Clinton is evil.
PepperHarlan
(124 posts)Response to boston bean (Original post)
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Armstead
(47,803 posts)Better?
Orsino
(37,428 posts)If Donald Trump is now a benchmark for evil, the country is lost.
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)it's not about Hillary
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Is she "less evil" than Trump? Yes. Is she "not as bad" as Trump? Yes. Is she acceptable as president? No.
Fortunately, my ballot comes with more than 2 choices.
realmirage
(2,117 posts)The rest are actually republicans
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)many. 'I hate him' they say. Hate. Not 'essentially' but flatly, clearly and without hesitation. Glass houses and all that.
boston bean
(36,186 posts)But if he were the nominee, I would vote for him over Trump, NO hesitation.
You see, there is a difference there.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)Sanders but you have different rules for others so you affect that the idiom 'lesser of two evils' is a literal thing and not a figure of speech and you proclaim that people have 'essentially' said something that offends you. Of course they did not say that. So you get to say 'I hate' and relish your own hate for Democrats while affecting that such things astonish you when others do them?
The very picture of hypocrisy. Essentially.
I don't hate Hillary for all that ignorant ass Reagan praise at the expense of history and truth, I just want her to cease and to correct and to take initiative to explain why and how she could say such a thing and then make damn well sure the American public knows the truth. I have never been so disgusted with any candiate's tactics as I am with hers. But hate? That's far too much emotion for some politician to invoke. That's not healthy.
I'm not crazy about the fact that her supporters are all slap happy about Reagan the AIDS hero and that they refused to take her to task for that. I don't trust them because of that and the habitual lies about flying chairs and 'that's not Bernie in those photos'. Because of all the antisemitic posters that attacked him here. We all know that, so don't pull the coy. To me, her cohort is just a toupee hair away from being like Trump's cohort. Loving Reagan, lying about good people, lots of name calling and taunting. I do not care for that stuff.
She's better than Trump, so am I, so are you. So are so many others. God help us all.
boston bean
(36,186 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)Enjoy what you have done. You have earned it.
boston bean
(36,186 posts)phleshdef
(11,936 posts)At least half of that baggage is right wing bullshit, but the other half is entirely self inflicted stupidity.
tonyt53
(5,737 posts)Most people over 55 have a very bad memory of those two words and would never vote for Bernie because of it. Never.
phleshdef
(11,936 posts)Trying to change the subject to a soon to be former candidate does not take away any of Hillary Clinton's mile high political baggage.
tonyt53
(5,737 posts)And to dismiss those over 55 for being opposed to "reds", is the same attitude that Bernie had while dismissing the vote of minorities in the south, and everywhere else for that matter. Oh, and people over 55 vote reliably. People under 25 do not.
phleshdef
(11,936 posts)...idiots who are afraid of the word "socialism" while they sit there and collect Social Security and use Medicare. You also don't give seniors enough credit. Not everyone over 55 is an unlearned, mouth breathing dumb ass who doesn't know the difference between Canada, the UK and Nordic countries vs the Bolsheviks and the Soviet Union.
larkrake
(1,674 posts)Zen Democrat
(5,901 posts)But I'm over 55 and I have a great memory, and I voted for Bernie. Because I'm not ignorant enough to equate Communism with Democratic Socialism. There's a big difference in the world of the Soviet Union two decades ago, and the democratic socialism today in Denmark -- the happiest country in the world.
ieoeja
(9,748 posts)"She is an angel compared to the don con."
You couldn't just call her an angel. You had to qualify that she is one only in contrast to Trump. Which leaves the implication that, judged solely on her own self, she is no angel.
larkrake
(1,674 posts)Zambero
(8,954 posts)But evil? No. Not close. And it is not only a mischaracterization but counterproductive as well. I remained undecided for months in this contest, but it was the cheap shots from some of Bernie's supporters, absent nuance of any sort, that eventually put me in Hillary's column.
Zen Democrat
(5,901 posts)Juicy_Bellows
(2,427 posts)hamsterjill
(15,214 posts)I believe it's possible to dislike a candidate without just getting nasty about it. I've seen a lot of nastiness over Hillary on DU and it's going to be nice once June 16th gets here and that gets cleaned up, at least to whatever level that it does get cleaned up.
Disagree all you like, but this woman deserves respect for those things which she has accomplished in her life of public service.
Miles Archer
(18,837 posts)I've basically said three things about Clinton on this site...I don't like her, I don't trust her, I don't plan to vote for her.
And I say that in June. November is 5 months away, and I certainly don't want President Trump. So if I vote for her, it won't be because I believe in her, because I don't.
As far as getting nasty about it, I've gotten nasty on this site when faced with nastiness. That's generally called "taking the bait," and I'm not going to do it any more.
The level to which this site gets cleaned up on June 16th depends largely on everyone here. Attacks on Clinton won't be welcome, per Skinner. Any comments which are contrary to Clinton getting elected, or any which promote someone other than Clinton as the nominee, won't be welcome.
The other thing that won't be welcome...and a lot of people clearly do not get this...will be any ongoing sliming of Sanders or his supporters. Anyone who doesn't believe this needs to read Skinner's responses in ATA.
And yes, I am going to respectfully disagree with your comment that "this woman deserves respect for those things which she has accomplished in her life of public service." If that is what you choose to believe, I stand by your right to believe it. I don't deny for a second that she has had accomplishments worthy of praise. But on a "big picture" level, she's accomplished a few things I don't respect at all, and they are enough for me to say she is not my candidate, she never will be my candidate, and if I do vote for her to block Trump, it will be for that reason, and that reason only.
I wish I could see her through your eyes. I can't.
BobbyDrake
(2,542 posts)the sole purpose of being able to call her the C-word.
boston bean
(36,186 posts)notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)BobbyDrake
(2,542 posts)notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)I merely asked for a link to be posted.
BobbyDrake
(2,542 posts)notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)Donald Ian Rankin
(13,598 posts)This is the first one google throws up. I imagine there are plenty more where this one came from, but I'm really not going to wade through the sewer that is JPR to find them.
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)whatthehey
(3,660 posts)to me what exactly is wrong with lessening evil when evil must prevail.
Even if you believe every fevered bit of nonsense that has ever been claimed about Clinton, or Sanders if that dim and ever dimming likelihood occurs, it's either them or Trump with the veto pen, the megaphone to the world, the reins of the economy, the judicial, executive and diplomatic nominating authority and the nuclear codes in a bit under a year. No-one else. No white knight or write-in miracle. That's your choice.
I dunno about the rest of you, but if I ever wake up strapped naked to a chair in the company of an unsympathetic loanshark with a roll of surgical tools, and he offers me the choice between losing my little toe and losing my carotid artery, I'm going to go for being called Joe Ninetoes the rest of my life and be pretty relieved. I'm not, once assured of no escape, going to leave the choice up to him by complaining that it's mean to cut off anything at all and hoping that Rambo bursts through the wall to rescue me at the last second. If you think both Dem and R nominees are evil in November, at least be realistic enough to accept that they similarly are the only options and pretending there are others just leaves the choice up to people who may not have your best interests at heart.
Jamaal510
(10,893 posts)ago as I was standing in line to get groceries, I overheard some girls around my age talking about not "voting for the lesser of 2 evils" even though they claimed to also not want to help Trump win. I was tempted to say something, but I also didn't want to get into an argument with random strangers in the middle of a store. Many people have the idea that if they don't completely agree with a candidate, that automatically makes the candidate "evil" or "corrupt". Personally, I don't have to agree with all of a candidate's stances as long as I agree with most of what s/he is advocating and his/her overall agenda, and I'm not going to rely only on what ideological pundits say. No candidate is perfect, not even 3rd party candidates.
larkrake
(1,674 posts)to anyone but evil people (Kissinger, et . al.)
MariaThinks
(2,495 posts)HERVEPA
(6,107 posts)Shadowflash
(1,536 posts)Since you don't really understand common phrases, let me help you out --
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/lesser-of-two-evils
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)by trying to split the Republican vote -he backed off rather quickly when called on this obvious ploy
Bill USA
(6,436 posts)KULawHawk
(97 posts)Corrupt politicians no matter who they are.
intheflow
(28,407 posts)I agree she's better than Trump, but angels can be evil. Just sayin'.