MSNBC Steve Kornacki: "We will call Hillary the presumptive nominee tomorrow" when she hits 2383

[Renew Deal]

[Sancho]

1. This primary is over...

Bernie needs to get behind the first woman President!

[bvf]

11. No, it's not.

[Demsrule86]

15. Yes it is. nt

[bvf]

20. Nope.

https://berniesanders.com/press-release/sanders-campaign-statement/

[HarmonyRockets]

40. Because

hundreds of superdelegates are going to flip from Clinton to Sanders.

[bvf]

47. Because

a hell of a lot can happen in over a month. Until then, there is no nominee.

https://berniesanders.com/press-release/sanders-campaign-statement/

[Armstead]

26. Tonight made that less likely

[CorporatistNation]

42. STEVE, RACHEL ET AL A BUNCH OF FASCIST PUPPETS!

THAT'S "DEMOCRACY" FOR YA!

[azurnoir]

2. geez not even reddit in fact no results found on a Google search

wait I got it you saw it on teevee, right? Must be true then just like all those chairs and bottles thrown in Las Vegas

[brooklynite]

3. So you're saying it's NOT TRUE that a TV network would say what the TV network's policy is?

...or are you joining Bernie in saying it's NOT TRUE that she'll be the PRESUMPTIVE nominee?

PRESUMPTIVE (Adj): "giving grounds for reasonable opinion or belief"

[azurnoir]

12. you like presumptive quite a bit or is that presumptuous your likin'?

[Renew Deal]

13. At some point you will have to accept reality.

There is no gentler way to say it.

[azurnoir]

14. Oh I accepted reality long ago but it seems more presumptuous on your part to assume I don't

[Armstead]

29. Tonight I went out with a friend for dinner and we basically "accepted" it. BUT THEN....

I came homke turned on the TV and was told that California and the otehrstates have been disenfranchised because Clinton has been named the "official nominee."

Now my attitude is "accept? Hell no!"

[Renew Deal]

31. I understand

It wasn't right.

[HarmonyRockets]

7. I've heard Steve Kornacki

Say multiple times in the last couple weeks that Clinton would be the presumptive nominee on Tuesday. So it's not even the first time he has said it.

[Jack Bone]

4. presumpt into one hand and poop in the other..

then eat whichever fills up first


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[hrmjustin]

5. Rightfully so!

[NCTraveler]

6. Clinton has earned it. Nt

[Starry Messenger]

8. RIP his Twitter account.

Stay strong Steve.

[LenaBaby61]

9. Me and my 2 nieces will be watching and waiting together!

For this most historic moment...

We can't wait

[MFM008]

10. Just because Sanders is demanding it

doesn't mean a mouse fart in the media,
it would be the first time in 32 years they didn't call the first to the finish line
a presumptive nominee.
Mr. Sanders really has to stop issuing orders to everyone.

[k8conant]

16. Just call her the Democratic frontstander

and the Donald "last Republican standing"!

[sufrommich]

17. Good,this is a historic moment. It shouldn't be minimized

by a Sanders campaign temper tantrum.

[DCBob]

19. Bernie and his bunch are so bitter they want to steal this moment from her.

Sickening.

[bvf]

21. Yeah, the poor little thing.

Can we get you some Mylanta? Do they still make Bromo? Would you prefer that?

[Cha]

18. yeah!

[senz]

22. Neither candidate can reach 2383 from the remaining primaries

and the SDs don't vote until July 25th.

But y'all can pretend whatever you want.

[PepperHarlan]

23. I don't think Hillary fans are the ones pretending.

[Renew Deal]

24. I love you, but I think you see how that prediction is working.

[senz]

25. It's not a prediction. It's the rules of the Democratic primary.

Hillary currently has 1812 pledged delegates. To reach 2383, she needs 571 more pledged delegates.

The states that vote on Tuesday and the number of pledged delegates available from each:

CA -- 475
MT -- 21
NJ -- 126
NM -- 34
ND -- 18
SD -- 20

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/election-2016/delegate-targets/

It is virtually impossible for Hillary to reach 2383 pledged delegates from the remaining states.

Therefore, there will be no Democratic nominee until the convention when the SDs vote.

[Zynx]

28. No votes are cast at all until July 25th. However, we can know in advance what they'll do.

[senz]

33. SDs are free agents. They vote based on several factors.

Among those factors is who stands a better chance against the Republican nominee.

Also, they might take into consideration the candidates' favorability polling, perceived trustworthiness, etc.

Plus, it could make a difference if a candidate has a criminal indictment hanging over their head.

[Zynx]

35. You can keep this up all you want. They've already decided what they will do.

The main factor is what the Democratic primary electorate decided. They decided Hillary. They're not going to overturn that verdict.

[senz]

38. The primaries are not finished. There are seven primaries to go.

The people have not weighed in yet. Sorry, but Hilary has not won.

It doesn't matter what the corporate media says about the corporate candidate.

Neither candidate will have the requisite number of pledged delegates. The SDs will have to decide it at the convention.

[HarmonyRockets]

43. The SDs will not be deciding it at the convention

The superdelegates have already decided it. 571 superdelegates have already decided on Clinton.

the requisite number of pledged delegates

There is no requisite number of pledged delegates, only a requisite number of delegates. Clinton became the presumptive nominee because she secured enough delegates to win the nomination at the convention. All delegates, be they superdelegates or pledged delegates, don't vote until the convention. At this time there is no reason to think any substantial amount Hillary's pledged delegates or committed super delegates will decide to change their vote and go against her and the will of the voters. If you do think there is reason to believe there is a substantial chance of this happening, you should be able to provide some sort of evidence. So anyways, it seems completely reasonable to refer to Clinton as the presumptive nominee, especially considering there is precedent for declaring a candidate (such as Obama in 08) as the presumptive nominee once they have secured enough pledged and super delegates to win the nomination at the convention.

[senz]

44. Delegates are not won without votes. The SDs have not voted.

They could change their minds between now and the convention. There are some very good strategic reasons why they could want to decide differently.

The announcement tonight before the remaining seven primaries is pure sabotage.

It's dirt. It's filth. No one can justify it.

[HarmonyRockets]

45. Was it pure sabatoge in 2008?

I've been reading your posts tonight and you have just become utterly unhinged, to the point I'm feeling sorry for you. I'd be willing to order you a dominos pizza online or something if it would make you feel better. Seriously. It's just way, way, way over the top man. Dirty, filthy, pure sabotage that can't be justified? Come on man. People have been explaining this to you all night. Declaring a candidate the presumptive nominee once this happens as been standard operating procedure for a long time. And to think that hundreds of super delegates are going to flip to Bernie is pure delusion. Any person following this election that hasn't totally lost their mind can presume that that isn't going to happen. Hence the "presumptive nominee" label.

[senz]

46. Nearly everything I've posted tonight has been about delegate counts.

I don't need your insults. Take the garbage somewhere else.

[onenote]

36. As has been pointed out to you more times than I can count -- she's the presumptive nominee now.

She'll become the official nominee when, at the convention, the pledged delegates and the super delegates that committed to her cast their votes.

Could something change between now and then? Yes. That's why she;s the presumptive nominee now. Not the official or even "conclusive" nominee.

The political world operates with probabilities, momentum, predictions. Bernie is out on the stump arguing that SDs should support him based on polls taken five months before people vote. Guess what - history shows that polls taken five months before an election are far far more likely to be wrong, that it is far more likely that individual voters will change their minds over the course of a four of five month general election campaign, than it is likely that hundreds of SDs will switch from the candidate that has won the largest number of states and the largest number of pledged delegates in the month between the last primary and the convention.

[senz]

39. Presumptive nominee means nothing. She doesn't have the numbers.

Elections operate on hard numbers.

[onenote]

41. Presumptive nominee is a concept with a long history even if you want to deny its existence

It doesn't cease to exist just because Sanders isn't the one who is the presumptive nominee.

I'm curious -- every primary that Sanders has won has been called by the networks based on exit polls, projections, etc. before all the votes are counted and certified.

I missed it -- did you complain that they were announcing him as the winner in those elections prematurely because all the votes hadn't been counted and certified and thus it wasn't official yet?

[Databuser]

27. "We"?

That's ComCastastic!

[Trust Buster]

30. Mr. Kornacki must have failed to realize that his employer has called it this evening.

[Renew Deal]

32. This was posted 3 hours before they called it.

[Trust Buster]

34. Then, why would he think that he would make a statement that rests above his pay grade ?

[Zynx]

37. He was going with where they were at before the AP survey came in.