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baldguy

(36,649 posts)
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 07:57 PM Jun 2016

Hey, you BoBs out there! Answer a question for me!

Given the fact that Trump & the Republicans are the avowed enemy of Democrats, liberals & liberalism, progressives & progressivism, and peace, freedom, equality & liberty in general...

And given the fact that Trump & the Republicans have spent decades and millions of dollars to suppress voters casting ballots in favor of those things...

And given that it's your stated desire to voluntarily do precisely that: suppress your own vote in support of those things...

Why are you helping these very same enemies, Trump & the Republicans?

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Hey, you BoBs out there! Answer a question for me! (Original Post) baldguy Jun 2016 OP
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2016 #1
Same could be said about Hillary voters ciaobaby Jun 2016 #2
The actual voters believe otherwise. The majority has spoken. nt puffy socks Jun 2016 #7
Sure - and your so called majority is backing a loser. ciaobaby Jun 2016 #11
Such a loser she creamed your candidate easily. nt puffy socks Jun 2016 #14
too bad that has nothing to do with the General Election. ciaobaby Jun 2016 #16
Sure it does. she easily beats Bernie puffy socks Jun 2016 #26
Bernie or Busters StayFrosty Jun 2016 #3
Then progressivism is dead... Chan790 Jun 2016 #22
Here's a little food for thought: Bill Clinton URGED Trump to run. And YOU are electing Trump by AzDar Jun 2016 #4
Yep, blame Billy for the mess with Trump. It's a perfect ending to Billy's career. floriduck Jun 2016 #8
Now the Clinton's are rsponsible for Trump's actions? puffy socks Jun 2016 #10
Bill encouraged Donald to run. Chan790 Jun 2016 #23
pffft thats just dumb puffy socks Jun 2016 #27
Telling someone to "get involved in politics" is not encouraging them to run for President. nt Dr Hobbitstein Jun 2016 #12
Because Donald would run for City Council, right? Don't know who is MORE ridiculous: the AzDar Jun 2016 #15
Better than urging one of the electable Republicans. Very strategic! redstateblues Jun 2016 #17
Except he beats Hillary in nearly EVERY poll... AzDar Jun 2016 #20
I don't vote right wing. PowerToThePeople Jun 2016 #5
I plan to vote and not for Trump. floriduck Jun 2016 #6
Clever construction, but it's fatal flaw is with the word supress DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2016 #9
Another crap post. kayakjohnny Jun 2016 #13
Hey, question back at you: sadoldgirl Jun 2016 #18
Hey, how about we leave them alone and Hortensis Jun 2016 #19
False dichotomy. Chan790 Jun 2016 #21
I'm not voting for Trump. I'm not a BoB. I plan to vote. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2016 #24
I opt out of the Hillary-Trump Reality TV Series, Directed by Bill Clinton Dems to Win Jun 2016 #25
Nobody is suppressing votes laserhaas Jun 2016 #28
The failure is in your assumptions. Shandris Jun 2016 #29

Response to baldguy (Original post)

 

ciaobaby

(1,000 posts)
2. Same could be said about Hillary voters
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 08:03 PM
Jun 2016

why are you electing the person with the least likely chance to beat Trump ?
Are you therefore helping Trump ?

 

puffy socks

(1,473 posts)
26. Sure it does. she easily beats Bernie
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 09:10 PM
Jun 2016

Hillary beating Trump by double digits in polls....which btw mean diddly at this point. So either way, she's the better can didate.

Jun 3
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/282164-poll-clinton-holds-double-digit-lead-on-trump-nationally



May 4
http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/04/politics/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-poll-general-election/


Votes matter. She beat Bernie and she has a better chance of beating Trump than unvetted Bernie Sanders.

StayFrosty

(237 posts)
3. Bernie or Busters
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 08:04 PM
Jun 2016

Are no progressives

A progressive wouldn't cut off his/her nose to spite his/her face and enable a Trump presidency

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
22. Then progressivism is dead...
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 08:33 PM
Jun 2016

because Hillary is as much of progressive as Trump is. Not a fucking iota.

The only progressive choice is to oppose both candidates working to destroy the gains of progressives.

 

AzDar

(14,023 posts)
4. Here's a little food for thought: Bill Clinton URGED Trump to run. And YOU are electing Trump by
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 08:05 PM
Jun 2016

supporting the Candidate who gets her ass TOASTED by him in poll after poll...

So who will REALLY be responsible for electing Trump? The Corrupt Clintons and their SUPPORTERS.


DEAL WITH IT.

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
23. Bill encouraged Donald to run.
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 08:40 PM
Jun 2016

That makes him culpable for it. Donald's actions and positions are a direct and not-unforeseen consequence of Bill's actions...damned right he's responsible for them. Same as if he'd done them himself.

 

AzDar

(14,023 posts)
15. Because Donald would run for City Council, right? Don't know who is MORE ridiculous: the
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 08:14 PM
Jun 2016

Corrupt Clinton Clan or their blind loyalists.


 

floriduck

(2,262 posts)
6. I plan to vote and not for Trump.
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 08:06 PM
Jun 2016

It's sort of like Iraq and North Korea. The USA had issues with Iraq so we invaded. The USA has issues with North Korea but we have no desire to engage them. See how it's done?

I don't like helping enemies. That's why I won't vote for him.

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
9. Clever construction, but it's fatal flaw is with the word supress
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 08:08 PM
Jun 2016

My vote will not be supressed, whatever I decide to do with it.

kayakjohnny

(5,235 posts)
13. Another crap post.
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 08:11 PM
Jun 2016

Thanks for nothing.


"Why are you helping these very same enemies, Trump & the Republicans?"

Because we have crap for Democrats across the board, and it took an Independent

to put some juice into a hideous election cycle. Thanks for running the best you had.

Not.

sadoldgirl

(3,431 posts)
18. Hey, question back at you:
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 08:21 PM
Jun 2016

Are you happy to vote for a probable second
Clinton impeachment?

If so: congrats already!

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
19. Hey, how about we leave them alone and
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 08:23 PM
Jun 2016

let them have some time? Specifically, how about if we don't act like bad losers who can't give up the fight?

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
21. False dichotomy.
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 08:30 PM
Jun 2016

The problem with the question you posed is that is presupposes something that is untrue by creating a dichotomy that isn't there...just because Donald Trump is the avowed enemy of Democrats, liberals & liberalism, progressives & progressivism, and peace, freedom, equality & liberty in general...doesn't mean that Hillary Clinton isn't also the enemy of Democratic ideals, liberals & liberalism, progressives & progressivism, and peace, freedom, equality & liberty in general.


I can't support Clinton with any fervor because Hillary is every bit as much of an enemy as Donald J. Trump. It's also why I cannot consider her supporters to be real Democrats...if they were, they would not support Hillary.

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
24. I'm not voting for Trump. I'm not a BoB. I plan to vote.
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 08:43 PM
Jun 2016

Hillary will not lose a single vote from me.

0-0 = 0

 

Dems to Win

(2,161 posts)
25. I opt out of the Hillary-Trump Reality TV Series, Directed by Bill Clinton
Mon Jun 6, 2016, 08:49 PM
Jun 2016

What we are seeing is Reality TV, directed by Bill Clinton, who talked with Donald Trump prior to Trump's entering the race and reportedly encouraged him to get into it. Bill and Donny are working together to elect Hillary.

If Hillary makes it through the convention and we really do have a Trump-Clinton race, I'm going to try to develop new hobbies and give up on following presidential politics. I hate reality TV, and I'm convinced that's all a Clinton-Trump race will be -- a reality TV show that ends with Hillary in the White House.

The more outrageous Trump is, the more he pushes people, who 2 years ago would have said they would NEVER vote for Hillary, into voting for her in the fall. It's the only way she can plausibly win, so that's the theater show Bill and Donald are producing.

I'm also convinced that the powers that rig the voting machines will do so on Hillary's behalf. She's the Establishment choice, by far. She's the one who will keep the Military Industrial Complex and Wall Street rolling along as usual, lining the pockets of the rich and powerful. The outcome is not in doubt.

This is not a show I consider to be worth watching.
 

Shandris

(3,447 posts)
29. The failure is in your assumptions.
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 07:40 PM
Jun 2016

Look at your opening line. "Given the fact that Trump & Republicans are the avowed (snip for brevity, not to avoid content)..."

The assumption is that we live in a dual world (we don't) and that if one group (Republicans/Trump) is against those things, then the other must be for it. However, a casual perusal of economic policy over the last, oh, say, 30 years shows otherwise.

As such, your entire premise is faulty from the opening line and, following the law of computing, garbage in garbage out. To vote would be to help our enemies, enemy defined as those who fight against liberals, liberalism, peace, freedom, equality, and liberty -- ie, anyone involved with the Establishment.

Also, it helps that many of us live in states that won't even remotely be competitive, like myself.

So there. I hope that answered your honestly-asked, heartfelt question, as I'm sure no one on DU would simply try to troll people to attempt to get them kicked out. That would be something very Trump-worthy, after all.

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