Are we STILL doing this idiotic 'supers don't vote till July' NONSENSE???

[bravenak]

Good GAWD I wish people would cut this crap out. No delegates vote till July. Why the everloving HELL they would switch to Bernie after he called the entire PARTY Corrupt has never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever been explained. Ever. They DO NOT LIKE HIM!!! Can y'all get that through your heads? Cant just force people who cannot stand you to switch to support you just cause you say you can beat Trump. Nobody CARES what he says about the polls with him vs Trump. This is past the point of ignorance. This is deliberate dumbassery.

[Gomez163]

1. Bernie is gonna change everyone's minds with a Big Hippie Rally in Philly

[bravenak]

12. Lord!

[NurseJackie]

2. What else have they got?

Answer: nothing.

[bravenak]

11. 27 dollars they can keep for themselves

[NurseJackie]

16. Ha!

[rbrnmw]

147. ....

[bravenak]

149. Today is just too much

[rbrnmw]

150. I know

[Joe the Revelator]

3. So you agree nothing is official until July 25thish?

'nonsense'?

[bravenak]

6. Hell naw I dont agree

[randome]

7. Tonight's announcement is merely a snapshot of where things stand CURRENTLY.

They're not likely to change, though, so you can keep praying for whatever 'miracles' you want.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

[Jitter65]

10. True. But at this point in 2008, Bernie came out and endorsed President Obama and said the race was

over. Just say'in.

[Joe the Revelator]

21. 2016 =/= 2008 nt

[uponit7771]

47. Mr integrity should be consistent though

[Lord Magus]

79. Superdelegate rules didn't change between 2008 & 2016.

If the counted before the convention in 08, they do now too.

[Vattel]

28. Nope Bernie only did that when Obama had clinched the majority of pledged delegates

[Lord Magus]

82. Bernie said nothing about pledged delegates when endorsing Obama.

He just said that the nominee had been chosen.

[Live and Learn]

162. Because it had, Obama had the pledged delegates. Hillary doesn't. nt

[TimPlo]

29. Was this before or after Sanders dropped out of the running

for the nomination in 2008?

[MFM008]

54. A " beauty contest"

For 32 years they have gone into convention with the vote is a formality. That's NOT going to change for Sanders.

[Joe the Revelator]

58. The first Democratic convention was in 1832

So the last 32 years....8 presidental cycles....two incumbent years....that makes 6Some of those were complete blowouts for the nomination.....so lets say at best 4...4 conventions....you think that sets precedent?

[bettyellen]

4. Nope, we never were doing that.

[bravenak]

8. For real. I know I wasn't. This is just way more dumb than it was yesterday

Just gets dumber by the day. Be next January and folks gon still be talking bout superdelegates might switch.

[wendylaroux]

19. what language you be speakin?

[bravenak]

48. You sure be up my ying yang if you know what ah mean

[wendylaroux]

60. lol,I love it!!!! your such a bravenak,I do believe

you are the most interesting person I have come across in all my years.

I mean that,yes I do.

[Agnosticsherbet]

5. Since 1984, the Candidate won when supers + pledged delegates

Hit the number.
The Sanders rule was never the Norm.

[bravenak]

9. I have no IDEA why he will not stop saying it to his supporters

It's just as scandalous as can be

[Agnosticsherbet]

14. Because he needed something to keep true believers

[bravenak]

18. Bus gonna back up over him when they find out

[Liberal Jesus Freak]

13. Awwwww...

Your plea for unity is so sweet

[bravenak]

15. I made my resolution

To stop unnecessary criticism. This right here? He needs this.

[wendylaroux]

23. because he is jewish,we know bravey

[bravenak]

26. Oh bullshit I couldn't care less what race he is or religion.

You all swear you have something you can repeat completely off topic t shut me up. NOT WORKING. And soon follwing me around and around and around repeating your ignored selves to my posts will get ya gone bye bye. Cause this is the very last time I'll respond to any of you alls nonsensical off topic ace in the hole crapola.

[wendylaroux]

31. I love your posts,everyone does.,they are fascinating.

[bravenak]

36. I KNOW THAT, GAH! I'm the bomb. People save and track my posts all over the web cause they be

FASCINATED by me. Obsessed even. Ridiculous.

[Gore1FL]

37. I am just glad that you recognize your bad behavior was, in your own words, "unnecessary.

You should still probably not go out of your way to be obnoxious, however. Maybe make that resolution tonight.

[bravenak]

43. Make YOUR OWN RESOLUTIONS

Last people I need ANY advice from

[Gore1FL]

62. I am just glad you are looking inside.

Sometimes progress is slow. But buck up, at least you admit to bad behavior and are endeavoring to fix it.

[Cali_Democrat]

17. Ain't that the truth!

[bravenak]

20. I mean, DAMN!

[Nye Bevan]

22. For some reason there wasn't a peep about that from Bernie Sanders in June 2008,

when he announced that he was supporting Obama as the presumed nominee, even before Hillary had conceded, and despite the fact that Hillary could still have won the nomination if Obama's superdelegates had flipped to her.

[bravenak]

27. He was a man tho

[Lord Magus]

83. There's a much more important factor than that.

He wasn't running against Bernie Sanders. That's Bernie's real objection to calling Hillary the nominee. If she's the nominee that means he isn't, and that's just not acceptable to him.

[bravenak]

97. Quite tiresome

[uponit7771]

174. +1

[ecstatic]

24. Lol. K&R. nt

[bravenak]

35. Time to drink beer

[Hokie]

25. 'cause you know BernieMath (TM)

[bravenak]

30. Shit shit shit!!!!

Driving me BANANAS!!

[baldguy]

32. That's the official lie from the Sanders campaign - straight from the horse's mouth.

[bravenak]

38. Aint got no sense

[Gore1FL]

33. Are you suggesting the convention rules are idiotic? nt

[bravenak]

39. Suggesting that the very idea that folks are switching to him is idiotic.

[Gore1FL]

61. We don't crown people here.

We have a process. I am sorry if said process makes you sad inside.

[bravenak]

74. The people spoke. She won.

[Gore1FL]

101. The delegates get to speak at the convention.

The "she won" is official.

[bravenak]

102. And they will speak for HER. Not him.

She has the majority. This keeps up his supers will flip to her

[Gore1FL]

104. If yo are so sure of the outcome why do you want to short-circuit the process? nt

[bravenak]

113. The process has been THIS my entire life

Yall the ones that want a brand new special way of doing things to wait on an indictment that aint never comin

[Gore1FL]

121. We've had conventions as long as I can remember.

You are mistaken.

[bravenak]

124. Never said we have not had them. Just that we have known the nominee.

During my lifetime. Same. Majority wins, sometimes they have a bunch of candidates and they work out deals. But in the last two person race, we knew way before the conventions. Weeks before, in fact.

[Gore1FL]

126. They always had a vote to make it official.

It's important.

[bravenak]

128. Ok. And she will win that vote. So what difference does it make?

[Gore1FL]

132. It makes a very big difference.

It comes across as much more honest when the rules are followed through completion.

For example, I wanted them to finish counting the vote in FL in 2000 rather than having Bush declared the winner.

Sorry if you disagree.

[bravenak]

134. I actually makes no difference whatsoever

[Gore1FL]

137. So you support the outcome of Bush v Gore?

That explains a lot.

Some of us appreciate the process. If you feel otherwise, write the DNC and ask them to skip the convention. I and the majority of the Democratic party look forward to the convention vote.

But please, your meltdown is amusing, so don't let fact and logic get in the way now!

[bravenak]

138. Bush v Gore is history

I support Hillary over The Don Con

[Gore1FL]

142. I support having the vote.

Votes are important.

[bravenak]

143. We will have the vote

She will win. I have no idea why we cannot deal with that. She is running the convention because she is the nominee. The vote will happen. She will be officialized. Nothing changes.

[lunamagica]

159. Crowning would be giving the nomination to the loser. She won. She won my a huge margin

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It has never happened, and it won't happen now.

[Gore1FL]

185. She'll win at the convention.

That's when and where the voting happens.

[TwilightZone]

34. It's all they have left. They don't really have any choice. They can either accept reality...

or stick with the narrative that Bernie is magically going to become the nominee at the convention.

Their history pretty much indicated which road they were going to take, no?

[bravenak]

40. I still think it's so scandalous

[TwilightZone]

49. To be honest, I could understand the motivation to some degree until it was noted that Sanders

endorsed Obama well before the convention in 2008. At that point, his entire argument went out the window, and he just looks like a hypocrite.

And by "understand the motivation", I don't mean that I agree with it, only that I understand how some could see how the delegate process works and (wrongly) conclude that nothing happens in the primary process until the convention. Craziness at the convention is the seldom exception, of course, and certainly not the rule. It's usually just a coronation, to steal one of their favorite words.

[bravenak]

55. I understand it too

But we both see the selfishness that lies within these actions. Very difficult to pivot to the enemy when allies are trying to slapbox.

[TwilightZone]

59. Agreed.

Denial can be a very powerful motivator. I think we're going to find out a lot about Bernie Sanders in the next few days.

[KULawHawk]

41. Wasn't aware

The DNC changed the rules?

[bravenak]

45. AP called the race. BOOM. Done damn deal

[KULawHawk]

50. Thanks DWS.

[Gore1FL]

63. AP gets a vote now? Are they Super Duper delegates? nt

[Gothmog]

171. The DNC did not change but clarified the rules last weekend

The Sanders claim that the DNC rules prohibit the counting of super delegates is false

[k8conant]

42. Put a lid on it, Bravenak,

we know all your garbage.

[bravenak]

44. Try minding not tending out for a change

[k8conant]

46. Can you say that in understandable language?

[bravenak]

51. Here

Please make a concerted attempt to mind thine own business and not partake of mine

[k8conant]

52. Then don't fling your Kool-Aid around so much.

[bravenak]

53. You still minding not tending

[k8conant]

56. Ever what you say...

as one son said when he was 4.

NOT!

[bravenak]

72. Yeah okay

[melman]

65. see post #35

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512142556#post35

[Gore1FL]

66. The poster is flustered. Look at the random non sentences throughout this thread.

Meltdown Mania!

[HooptieWagon]

57. No need for Hillary supporters to vote tomorrow.

It's s done deal. Hillarians, just stay home. No need to vote.

[dubyadiprecession]

64. BS will lose many of his superdelegates before July 25th...

These superdelegates of his will not want to stay on the losing side. It just keeps getting worse for BS.

[bravenak]

70. I think so too

[BootinUp]

67. Seems pretty clear to me bravenak!

[bravenak]

68. To me too!

[yodermon]

69. Why bother with this. She won. Wtf difference does it make what

we berniebros think or say at this point. Scoreboard.
Well winner privilege I guess

[bravenak]

71. Why do they bother with the superdelegate nonsense?

I'll stop as soon as that nonsense ends

[Sancho]

73. Brav...you are correct at the core!

The super delegate system may not be your cup of tea, but Bernie spent 30 years as an independent - but not contributing to the party. As supers are mostly colleagues, he started off behind. He personally pissed off most of the Democrats in Congress.

Then, they let him use the Democratic name to run for President. He responded by attacking the DNC and suing the DNC - after an investigation showed his staff stole data.
Then he complained or sued about half the state voting processes, and openly complained about the DNC Chair picked by President Obama. Then he criticized Obama.
All those DNC folks are also super delegates.

Now he wants the SDs to join his side??? Even SDs sympathy to his message don't like Bernie!

[bravenak]

76. All those attacks sure were not gonna get him any support

Everybody has done him a solid. He got to use the systems that the oldest party in the us has at it's disposal for his own attempt at a whitehouse run. I have never seen anything like this in my life in politics.

[TheFarS1de]

75. Your bang on .

Because fuck the democratic process , amiright ?

[bravenak]

78. The PROCESS has her over the threshold and the presumptive nominee

Seems like some folks want to nullify our votes and say fuck you to the democratic process and voters and party. Not cool

[TheFarS1de]

84. Has it fully played out yet ?

No ... no it hasn't . The rules are such a hindrance sometimes .

[bravenak]

85. It has played out enough to call the race

Once she lapped him, it was done but here it is, 3 months past super tudsday and the AP called it. Time to come together like butt cheecks

[TheFarS1de]

87. So fuck the rules .

They are only there for the plebs anyway .

[bravenak]

88. The RULES state that a candidate needs to hit 2383 this cycle. She did that. He cannot do that now.

She won. Time to knock this off.

[TheFarS1de]

93. Have they held the convention ?

No ? Then no one has voted OFFICIALLY as yet . So it's basically rules are hard . Gotchya .

[bravenak]

95. This is making me laugh my natural ass off

So hilarious.

[TheFarS1de]

99. Yes it is .

The fact you cannot understand how it works . Convention then GE . Keep up .

[bravenak]

100. Same nominee no matter what. Cracks me up

[TheFarS1de]

106. Legal processes .

Still I can see why you would ignore them , rules are for the ruled . I am so glad you find the ever increasing disillusionment with governance such a humorous topic . Laugh a minute , especially with Trump in the wings .

[bravenak]

109. Mere formality

She will run the convention as the presumptive nominee. Too funny

[Gore1FL]

139. Are you secretly afraid of something?

Why is it so difficult for you to wait for them to have the actual vote?

[bravenak]

144. No

No need to wait. Time to beat the don con

[Gore1FL]

186. Except that the rules are to wait.

Teh nominee gets the nomination at the convention. It's really cool.

[Bobbie Jo]

175. Are you secretly hoping that something magical

is going to happen on the convention floor to sway delegates to Bernie??

I keep seeing people threaten, "see you at the convention," as if the sheer presence of Bernie supporters will be enough to bully the delegates into voting for him at the last damn minute??

It's just not going to happen, folks.

[Gore1FL]

188. Not at all.

I simply don't understand why there is such a rush to declare something as official that isn't going to happen for a while.

I don't celebrate my birthday until my birthday even though I know what age I will be before hand.


Not sure what the strident rush is all about.

[Gothmog]

172. There is no DNC rule against counting super delegates

See post 171

[larkrake]

77. yup

[Hekate]

80. Yeah, but chill. Nobody's mind will be changed at DU or other online venues. The AP should've....

....kept it to themselves until 24 hours from now, but the fact is the narrative from the Sanders campaign has been set in stone for quite some time: victimhood, stabbed in the back, rigged, any results not in BS favor is SIGH

His minions online are absolutely itching for a fistfight at the Convention. Are they Democrats? Were they EVER Democrats? Were they EVER going to work for a Dem nominee if not Bernie? Oy. With friends like these, who needs enemies?

[bravenak]

86. I know. I just had to get it out that one last time

Sigh. If he would just knock it off...

[Lord Magus]

107. The AP wasn't going to sit on for a simple reason.

They're not the only ones who have the names and phone #'s of every superdelegate. If they didn't report it, some other outlet would've collected the same info and reported it.

[Hekate]

111. I know they wanted the scoop. It's just that it fits the victimy Sanders narrative so well...

It's kind of aggravating.

[robbedvoter]

81. DNC doing a survey of all SDs June 15 according to a BS delegate in Maryland

After primaries done, they need to have it all clear BEFORE the convention - which is not meant as a dog fight but a pageant meant to promote the party/candidates in the media.

[bravenak]

89. That sounds good to me

[Fast Walker 52]

90. Yes.

[bravenak]

91. What a sad state of affairs

But one that is soon to be forgotten

[SheenaR]

92. Did they vote yet?

No.

When do they vote? July.

Not that preposterous.

Must be some sort of Bernie sexist White Privilege logic I've got going on.

[bravenak]

94. They ARE NOT GOING TO VOTE FOR HIM

They do not want to vote for him. If they did, they would SAY SO.

[SheenaR]

96. Nowhere did I say they would

The question you posed, I answered. They have not voted yet. This, people can still say that they have not voted yet and be correct.

[bravenak]

98. Superfluous

[Gore1FL]

103. If you think the convention is a superfluous, take it up with the DNC. nt

[bravenak]

114. Her comments: superfluous.

[Gore1FL]

122. I am glad you support the convention then.

I look forward to the vote. It's my favorite part!

[bravenak]

125. I support Hillary's convention, yes

[Gore1FL]

127. It might be hers.

We have to have the vote first.

[ThinkCritically]

105. Are we still being rude about it?

Seems like it. You just can't bring yourself to be civil can you?

[bravenak]

112. You try it first and I may give it a go next week

[ThinkCritically]

129. I'm always civil.

[bravenak]

130. Spread it around to your comrades and I will totally notice and be nicey nicey

[ThinkCritically]

131. Comrades?

Are you implying something?

[bravenak]

133. Oh jesus christ! Give me a break! Terribly hilarious.

[ThinkCritically]

135. Just trying to figure out if you're going to make the leap...

to break the TOS on this website.

[bravenak]

136. Break TOS how? This seems like a rude accusation

Thought you were polite

[ThinkCritically]

140. I'm being civil, not polite.

[bravenak]

146. Good for you

[ThinkCritically]

148. Thanks. :)

[reddread]

180. tent shredders

no mistaking that

[AzDar]

108. Idiotic is calling a race the night before the largest state in the country votes. A shitbird move

that will prove to be disastrous....

[bravenak]

116. Not really

Not disaster coming. Checked my crystal ball and tarot cards and the words on the wind.

[Lord Magus]

123. Being the largest state doesn't mean CA decides the outcome.

And nominees usually get chosen before the California primary. 08 was unusual for having CA on Super Tuesday instead of late on the schedule.

[chillfactor]

110. AMEN!

Thank you for stating the obvious!

[bravenak]

117. Sad we have to keep saying this....

[Kang Colby]

115. Tell it, bravenak.

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My god have I enjoyed your posts this primary.

Bernie started some nonsense about Hillary needs a majority of delegates (SD+PD) using only pledged delegates. That's gotta be one of the dumbest things I've ever heard...wait that's not true...I did listen to a quarter of a Bernie speech once. Thankfully, CNN cut back to real news after a few minutes.

[bravenak]

119. His declarations change by the day

First supers should vote with the pledged. Then it was kinda quiet. Now they should vote based on polls six months out. Good grief! Does he believe this shit?

[Gothmog]

173. I agree

I have also enjoyed Bravenak's posts

[bvf]

118. Calm down, will you? Supers don't vote till July.

[bvf]

120. Reminds me of another rant I read somewhere.

I think I still have the link.

[Logical]

141. A totally idiotic process, they should only be able to commit at the convention

[bravenak]

145. Maybe they should. But it is what it is

[leftinportland]

151. Those are the rules...

Sorry you view the process as idiotic and nonsense...maybe you should start your own party.

[bravenak]

152. What is idiotic is pretending the supers will flip

[leftinportland]

153. What is idiotic is pretending they are a determining factor

in deciding the nominee, not since 1984 have they played a role in determining the winner...
http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2016/mar/22/debbie-wasserman-schultz/debbie-wasserman-schultz-says-superdelegates-never/

Clinton uses them to gain a psychological advantage...she did the same in 2008. Prior to 2008 they rarely got mentioned and played almost no role in the primary.

[bravenak]

157. She also has the pledged delegate lead

[ScreamingMeemie]

154. I wish people would cut the "Hillary cares about working-class women" out... but that hasn't

happened yet either. I know, it sucks.

[bravenak]

156. Meh.

They all care on our side

[ScreamingMeemie]

161. Sorry, but we will always disagree on that.

This isn't the party I have worked for for so many years. 13 years ago, many here called me a centrist... some even called me a freeper. Now, I'm a crazy far leftist because I won't lockstep behind a woman who basically has a "let them eat cake" mentality. Not one of my positions, ideals and beliefs have changed in that time. Sorry, bravenak. I wish you all the best, and I've enjoyed our many conversations, but you can have her. I'm out. I'm only sorry I let myself hope again.

Take care of yourself,

Laura

[bravenak]

163. I am sorry to hear that you are out

That sucks. I hope you change your mind, though. Take care.

[nilram]

155. wow. I guess facts DON'T matter, do they.

[bravenak]

158. Yes. That is why i posted this op

[Live and Learn]

160. They don't. nt

[bravenak]

164. Do too

[Live and Learn]

167. Nope. nt

[bravenak]

168. You'll see

[Live and Learn]

170. See what? They don't count until the convention. nt

[lunamagica]

165. If they were going to swith they would have done it by now, while he vote was going on.

They have never gone against the will of the people, and they won't start now.

[bravenak]

166. Agreed

The idea of a switch is pure lunacy

[pokerfan]

169. There is no requirement that anybody vote for anybody.

Every delegate with very few exceptions is free to make up his or her mind however they choose.

We talk a lot about so-called pledged delegates, but every delegate is expected to exercise independent judgment.

Also remember that pledged delegates in most states are not pledged.

There is no requirement that anybody vote for anybody. They're just like superdelegates.

[NCTraveler]

176. And the GE isn't decided in November.

[berni_mccoy]

177. Bobby Kennedy, to use a phrase from Hillary

[SujiwanKenobee]

178. There are times in which your posts appear to be deliberately provocative.

Do you relish getting people riled up on purpose like a swarm of fire ants? This attitude contributes to the division we're feeling whie you poke a stick at Bernie's people and bask in drawing those who support your positions. I don't see how there will be healing until this kind of incendiary thinking stops coming out through your fingers to the keyboard.

[bravenak]

179. Oh please

I notice people can't see any of the crap that their side engages in, and love to place full blame on me. Time to grow up and deal with people saying thing that upset you. I get insulted constantly on this forum, is it any wonder I gave up being diplomatic months ago? No. It is not.

If people ge riled up by me pointing out exactly what they are doing and mocking them? They can stop at any time. I don't save links to mess with people for being wrong. If a person gives up the idiocy, cool, they never hear from me or get offended by posts like this anymore. Th only people getting offended are the ones described in this op. And too bad for them caus I just dont feel one bit bad.

[JoePhilly]

181. Its a tantrum

[rock]

182. A lot of us never did

And a lot of the BSers after the convention will say, "See!"

[Orsino]

183. Take it up with DWS if you need an earlier convention. n/t

[George II]

184. Even Sanders didn't think that in the last primary season (2008)

[Marr]

187. Rules are rules. Even for Hillary.

Well, not really-- but we have to keep up appearances.

[AgingAmerican]

189. Why do you hate Democracy?

[Perogie]

190. Now I understand why you were given that time out before.

[bravenak]

191. Why are you posting on an op from monday just to lob an attack? It's OVER. Move on. Or dont.

I'm moving on regardless.

[Ace Rothstein]

192. Some still are apparently.

They even started a new thread about it. I'm not sure if they are delusional or trolling.

[bravenak]

193. Seriously? That is just plain ridiculous