2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumClinton won't have enough delegates to win nominaton before the Democratic convention. Live With It!
That's just a fact of life and Democratic Party nomination rules and procedures.
However, people can live in denial with blinders on pretending that Hillary Clinton has been nominated as the Democratic Party candidate for President even without enough pledged delegates and before a single vote has been cast for her by convention delegates.
People can also pretend that Hillary Clinton has been elected the President of the United States and defeated Donald Trump before a single vote has been cast in the General Election.
But, I prefer to be a fact based realist, not living in the fantasy world of fawning Hillary supporters.
Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)Because Superdelegates and pledge delegates count.
imagine2015
(2,054 posts)Once again, they are not pledged nor required to vote for a candidate they declared a preference for last year or at anytime prior to the convention. They are free agents.
Is that clear?
Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)onenote
(42,581 posts)if they were so uncertain to actually vote for him?
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)We are fighting you and the Big Corporations to help those among us that are suffering. The Big Corporations that you revere so deeply only want bigger profits.
SFnomad
(3,473 posts)msongs
(67,347 posts)they are only saying according to their counts she has enough delegates pledged to vote for her on the first ballot so she is the presumed nominee.
the only delusional fawning fantasy is that bernie is going to somehow overturn the will of voters and undemocratically hijack the nomination
imagine2015
(2,054 posts)Big corporations and Wall Street have hijacked the Democratic Party and are funding the Democratic Party convention and their favored candidate, Hillary Clinton.
But the former Senator from Wall Street has not captured the nomination yet on behalf of the moneyed interests no matter much you may wish it was so.
Samantha
(9,314 posts)and you say Bernie Sanders supporters have a "delusional fawning fantasy" of overturning the will of voters and undemocratically hijacking the nomination? Are you kidding?
Sam
onenote
(42,581 posts)He just didn't have as many to announce.https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/12/29/sanders-announces-the-support-of-a-superdelegate-its-his-11th-clinton-has-32-times-as-many/
Being better at getting support isn't a sin in an election. Its the goal of the election.
I'm sure Bernie wishes he had gotten more SDs. I also am sure he wishes he'd gotten more pledged delegates.
Heck I'm sure he wishes he had gotten more votes the four times he ran for office in Vermont and lost.
Losing happens.
RandySF
(58,464 posts)Fact: Hillary has enough pledged delegates and super delegates to win on the first ballot.
Fact: The President is about to endorse Hillary.
Fact: Hillary received more votes nationally than Bernie.
Fact: Super delegates will not flip and defy the will of rank and file Democrats to nominate a life-long Socialist to changed parties only last year so he could run for president.
oasis
(49,323 posts)Tarc
(10,472 posts)In ~18 hours, Hillary Clinton will be the presumptive nominee.
You have no say in that.
YouDig
(2,280 posts)But here in the real world, Hillary will be the presumptive nominee, if not now, in 24 hours, when she locks up the pledged delegate lead, as well as the total delegate lead, and the popular vote lead.