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Tue Jun 7, 2016, 12:12 AM

I'm sick of California and the West Coast going damn near LAST in having a say in the process

in the primaries!

This is so wrong. All the liberals and progressives are out here in the West (yes, I live out here as well ) And we deserve a more important place to decide the candidate!

California, Oregon and Washington should all move up their primaries to damn near Iowa. If not all three, then at the very LEAST California. It should go Iowa is first, then California!

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Reply I'm sick of California and the West Coast going damn near LAST in having a say in the process (Original post)
One Black Sheep Jun 2016 OP
hill2016 Jun 2016 #1
upaloopa Jun 2016 #6
hill2016 Jun 2016 #8
Warren DeMontague Jun 2016 #32
One Black Sheep Jun 2016 #9
LonePirate Jun 2016 #2
Agschmid Jun 2016 #27
PepperHarlan Jun 2016 #3
Retrograde Jun 2016 #4
Hortensis Jun 2016 #24
PowerToThePeople Jun 2016 #5
RandySF Jun 2016 #7
mythology Jun 2016 #10
One Black Sheep Jun 2016 #11
RKP5637 Jun 2016 #34
Exilednight Jun 2016 #22
Hortensis Jun 2016 #25
Octafish Jun 2016 #12
Bluestar Jun 2016 #13
thelordofhell Jun 2016 #14
Tarc Jun 2016 #15
onenote Jun 2016 #16
Lars39 Jun 2016 #17
HereSince1628 Jun 2016 #18
NCTraveler Jun 2016 #19
ucrdem Jun 2016 #20
wyldwolf Jun 2016 #21
Nye Bevan Jun 2016 #26
workinclasszero Jun 2016 #30
Sancho Jun 2016 #23
DonCoquixote Jun 2016 #28
HereSince1628 Jun 2016 #29
bigwillq Jun 2016 #31
Warren DeMontague Jun 2016 #33
goldent Jun 2016 #35

Response to One Black Sheep (Original post)

Tue Jun 7, 2016, 12:13 AM

1. well then

 

why should white liberals have such a large early say?

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Response to hill2016 (Reply #1)

Tue Jun 7, 2016, 12:16 AM

6. Actually whites are a minority in CA when all minorities are joined.

Minorities are 51% of CA population

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Response to upaloopa (Reply #6)

Tue Jun 7, 2016, 12:21 AM

8. the OP mentioned

 

Washington and Oregon as well

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Response to hill2016 (Reply #8)

Tue Jun 7, 2016, 07:56 AM

32. Yeah, screw those people, huh.

New hampshire and iowa are such bastions of diversity, too.

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Response to hill2016 (Reply #1)

Tue Jun 7, 2016, 12:23 AM

9. Because liberals and progressives are an important part of the Democratic base

We are not being represented with the proper respect and significance in this process, IMHO.

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Response to One Black Sheep (Original post)

Tue Jun 7, 2016, 12:14 AM

2. CA voted in February during the 2008 primary season.

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Response to LonePirate (Reply #2)

Tue Jun 7, 2016, 07:24 AM

27. Yup.

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Response to One Black Sheep (Original post)

Tue Jun 7, 2016, 12:15 AM

3. Oregon and Washington voted weeks ago

 

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Response to One Black Sheep (Original post)

Tue Jun 7, 2016, 12:15 AM

4. We went early in 2008

And the candidate we picked in the Democratic primary went on to lose the nomination to Obama (my own candidate dropped out by the election day itself - a drawback to voting early by mail).

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Response to Retrograde (Reply #4)

Tue Jun 7, 2016, 07:15 AM

24. Good point. OP, your vote counts,

but you want the winner called after you vote, which is hardly unreasonable. But if it happens before, surely you can take it? After all, it would be very wrong and dysfunctional for California, with something like 548 delegates, to vote early. Many millions of Californians, including my husband and I, have had no problem handling this great adversity like mature adults.

Coming last in a long line for a public bathroom--now that can be a problem.

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Response to One Black Sheep (Original post)

Tue Jun 7, 2016, 12:15 AM

5. If california goes sanders

 

We could just start a new west of the rocky mts left leaning nation.

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Response to One Black Sheep (Original post)

Tue Jun 7, 2016, 12:16 AM

7. On this I agree

But, for some reason, they refuse to move the rest of the primary ballot to an earlier month alongside the presidential.

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Response to One Black Sheep (Original post)

Tue Jun 7, 2016, 12:24 AM

10. Because putting an enormous state second would help the lesser known candidate?

 

The first four states are small and demographically diverse for a reason. It allows a lesser known candidate to build a base of support.

Putting California and it's giant population, size and expensive media markets would make it harder for lesser known candidates to gain traction.

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Response to mythology (Reply #10)

Tue Jun 7, 2016, 12:25 AM

11. Public finance all elections then

that needs to be done anyhow.

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Response to One Black Sheep (Reply #11)

Tue Jun 7, 2016, 08:09 AM

34. That's the way it should work!!! n/t

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Response to mythology (Reply #10)

Tue Jun 7, 2016, 07:09 AM

22. Iowa and NH aren't very diverse.

The AA community is less than 3% of the population, the and Hispanics make up approximately 5% of the population.

The state that comes the closest to matching the countries demographics as a whole is Illinois.

Personally I would go for a rotating system by dividing the country into thirds. Each third of the country selects one state to go on the first day. Once a state goes first it goes to the back of the line and during the next presidential election each section picks a new state to go first.

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Response to mythology (Reply #10)

Tue Jun 7, 2016, 07:20 AM

25. Glad someone made this point!

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Response to One Black Sheep (Original post)

Tue Jun 7, 2016, 12:27 AM

12. Takes the Liberals out of the equation.

Lot of Progressives, too.

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Response to One Black Sheep (Original post)

Tue Jun 7, 2016, 12:31 AM

13. It was moved back to June to save the cost of a special election

California always has an election in June. The legislature decided it didn't make sense to pay for a special primary earlier.

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Response to One Black Sheep (Original post)

Tue Jun 7, 2016, 12:37 AM

14. If California went 2nd, then Bernie would never have had a chance to win

The time frame for changing parties and requesting the proper ballots would have been far past the point of the freshly declared Bernie to do any good in California......He would have lost and lost big......to the point where it would almost be useless to go on from there.

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Response to One Black Sheep (Original post)

Tue Jun 7, 2016, 12:38 AM

15. Do you remember 2008, when California was a part of Super Tuesday?

Why did they move back to June?

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Response to One Black Sheep (Original post)

Tue Jun 7, 2016, 12:42 AM

16. All the liberals and progressives are out there in the west?

Tell that to the folks in Vermont, among other places. Tell it to the folks in dozens of communities in states around the country.

By the way, California was a relatively early primary state in 2008 and the winner of that primary didn't end up winning the nomination.

I know the news from tonight is hard to take (and it would've been hard to take tomorrow if it hadn't been announced tonight).

But let's try not to go entirely off the deep end.

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Response to One Black Sheep (Original post)

Tue Jun 7, 2016, 02:21 AM

17. All primaries on the same day.

Full transparency. Should be illegal for media to call it before the votes have all been counted.

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Response to Lars39 (Reply #17)

Tue Jun 7, 2016, 06:50 AM

18. I can't see how that makes the process better.

I don't think the order must be what it is, and I think there are ways of avoiding loading the primary season so that early events have more influence than later ones.

But unless there is some big value I don't see, no thanks. I don't want consolidation of any thing political. Democracy as a process really requires promotion of access to different voices with different ideas.

Protecting the process so that it cultivates new voices identifying new problems and new solutions when they are still small and relatively unknown is really enormously valuable.


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Response to One Black Sheep (Original post)

Tue Jun 7, 2016, 06:52 AM

19. It would actually be beyond exciting if the race was close.

 

They set themselves up to be queen maker. It just didn't work out that way. Think about this. If both NJ and Cali were last in '08. If I remember correctly they weren't. I think that is the scenario the state parties were hoping for. Clintons lead is simply too big for it to matter.

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Response to One Black Sheep (Original post)

Tue Jun 7, 2016, 06:56 AM

20. I'm loving it

we haven't gotten this much attention since the San Francisco earthquake (the 1906 one)

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Response to One Black Sheep (Original post)

Tue Jun 7, 2016, 07:00 AM

21. I'm sick of Iowa and NH going first

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Response to wyldwolf (Reply #21)

Tue Jun 7, 2016, 07:21 AM

26. The establishment would LOVE large states to go first instead.

Much more money required to advertise and build name recognition, more travel expenses, much less likelihood of a Dean or a Sanders insurgency breaking through to challenge the big-money establishment favorite.

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #26)

Tue Jun 7, 2016, 07:51 AM

30. Yup. Heck if Cali voted first in this primary

 

It would have dealt a deathblow to pretty much unknown candidate Bernie Sanders right at the start!

Be careful what you wish for folks.

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Response to One Black Sheep (Original post)

Tue Jun 7, 2016, 07:13 AM

23. You realize that if CA had gone first, instead of Iowa, Bernie would be toast much earlier...

At the beginning he had no money, no recognition, and no rallies. If CA had gone first - Hillary would have trounced Bernie before he got any traction.

If Hillary had won 60-70% in CA in Feb. or March for example, then a caucus in Iowa would be worthless in May or June.

The rural caucus states are "easy" for new candidates to get their name out there. That's exactly what Bernie did. It got him some money, some TV time, and a place on the ballots.

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Response to One Black Sheep (Original post)

Tue Jun 7, 2016, 07:31 AM

28. if people want tokeep this system,fine

I say Florida, California and Texas get together and have their primaries the friday before Super Tuesday

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Response to One Black Sheep (Original post)

Tue Jun 7, 2016, 07:33 AM

29. Maybe California should divide into multiple regional primaries on different dates

placed across the entire primary season. Let it function more like the mini-nation state that it mostly is.

If they did that they'd have influence in multiple super-Tuesdays (more influence for CA and keeping CA issues talked about during the entire primary season) and it would probably more accurately track the developing/shifting sentiments of CA voters across the entire campaign season.

Why have all the eggs in one basket at all???

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Response to One Black Sheep (Original post)

Tue Jun 7, 2016, 07:51 AM

31. Cali went early in 2008 (nt)

 

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Response to One Black Sheep (Original post)

Tue Jun 7, 2016, 07:58 AM

33. 50 million people on the west coast are ignored, which is why the beltway still thinks

Pot legalization is a giant joke- or a 3rd rail.

Like on marriage equality, theyll catch up eventually.

As for the primaries, i think the order should be random, or rotated every 4 years.

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Response to One Black Sheep (Original post)

Tue Jun 7, 2016, 08:15 AM

35. Somebody has to be last

Besides if California voted for Bernie it might well have an effect on the process - at least it would make the convention more interesting. If the race were a little closer, CA might actually be the decider.

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