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stopbush

(24,393 posts)
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 02:52 AM Jun 2016

Why does Sanders Continue To Lie About Voter Turnout?

"If voter turnout is high, we win. If it's low, we lose." Thus spake Bernie Sanders.

Except that it isn't true: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/apr/19/bernie-s/sanders-largely-base-saying-we-win-when-voter-turn/

I assume the only reason he continues to say this is because it fits his narrative that he is a populist who the majority of the people will support if only they get out and vote...and that means that Hillary only wins when the election is decided by some small group of elite insiders.

Except that he does best when turnout is low, like in the caucus states - he won the caucuses in WA and NB but lost those same states in the non-binding primaries that were held later. He said he would win in NY if turnout was high. It was, and he lost by a wide margin.

In reality, it's Hillary who wins when voter turnout is high.

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MADem

(135,425 posts)
1. The result in PR would have been much more in Clinton's favor had
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 02:57 AM
Jun 2016

fifteen hundred polling places been available. Clinton's constituency of older voters and people who have jobs/kids/competing priorities had a harder time standing in lines for two hours or more. She might have exceed eighty percent there.

JohnnyRingo

(18,623 posts)
2. I think Sanders is counting on young people who never voted.
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 03:50 AM
Jun 2016

If his base goes to the park to kick the hacky sack around like they usually do on Tuesday, he'll lose in a landslide.

I'm not being flippant, I have two grand kids who are voting age and I can't kick their asses to get them to the polls. It's obviously a big deal to me and their parents.

My grandson was "highly" motivated by pot legalization and registered last fall. His buddies called and he did something else that day. My granddaughter says she doesn't want to register because politics are "stupid" and she doesn't have time.

Festivito

(13,452 posts)
3. RW fabricating something they can overstate into being a lie. Ignores Independent voters for one.
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 04:15 AM
Jun 2016

But, they did check themselves by asking political scientists they chose to ask. Ahem!

RWingers love voter reductions. They spend a lot of money trying. Reducing rolls. Making and enforcing ID laws. And more.

They also love the idea of telling people that voter turnout being higher is better for Democrats would be, is -- a lie. It's not a lie. And, we know it.

Rincewind

(1,202 posts)
4. It's what he does.
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 04:44 AM
Jun 2016

He lies about his record, his finances, his chance of wining , Hillary's record, the Democratic party, in short, pretty much everything.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
5. The time for excuses are over. Big rallies are great but voter turnout is better.
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 05:23 AM
Jun 2016

Big rallies does not win elections.

 

w4rma

(31,700 posts)
7. Politifact is lying. The outlier that Politifact uses to create the headline is based on comparing
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 05:33 AM
Jun 2016

caucus turnout to primary turnout. And they compared this year's caucus turnout to a previous years' primary turnout, that wasn't even binding. They could have used the caucus turnout for that year, but they used the primary turnout, to get their lying headline.

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