If the tables were reversed, and AP called Bernie the presumptive nominee because

[still_one]

he had won the most pledged delegates, and had the most Super Delegates in his court, what would the threads be like here?


The fact remains that whether AP or some other media outlet calls someone the presumptive nominee, there are more issues on the ballot than just the presidential primary, so that should not deter anyone from voting.

It also, shows support for your respective candidate

[Cali_Democrat]

1. I do think misogyny is involved

In my opinion, many folks just can't accept the fact that a female has made history...and become the nominee of a major political party.

They can't accept it.

[still_one]

4. I hope not, though I suspect there is some

[senz]

6. That's bullshit.

[slipslidingaway]

12. Have you ever stepped back and wondered if you are doing a disservice to women ...

her gender does not factor into the dislike and mistrust many feel for her.

Playing the gender card and dismissing legitimate concerns for any negative comments does absolutely nothing to advance the differences on the issues, it is an excuse. I was passed over for promotions because I was a woman, but I also would not try and blame every setback on my gender. Hillary is a very smart woman and has been in the limelight for decades, to diminish each complaint against her as OMG it must be because I am a woman strikes me as silly and disingenuous.

Sorry, I am a woman over 60, she is not the right person for the job IMHO, it has NOTHING to do with gender. She has poor judgement and is swayed more by contributions than she should be, it has nothing to do with gender, but you can continue deluding yourself with that false belief if you so choose.

[uponit7771]

14. I do also, there's historic precedence for the overtly dismissive and elitist attitudes towards wome

... women South Africa being a great example.

[Agschmid]

16. It certainly is a part of it for some folks.

[rjsquirrel]

20. Absolutely

I think misogyny is the key driver of the Bernie supporters' hostility and outrage. It shows in their language. They can't believe thu just got beat by....a woman.

They want so badly to call her the same names they threw at DWS and Barbarba Boxer(c--t and b---h) but that would be a step just over the line into loss of deniability.

[Sweet Freedom]

25. Or perhaps those of us

who have waited our entire lives for a woman to become president—because we thought she would be an advocate for peace and the little people, would stand firmly on her values and principles, and would never let money negatively influence her decisions—are truly disappointed that the left has chosen a candidate so right-of-center and so far removed from the workers of America that the party they fought for their whole lives is now unrecognizable.

[Silver_Witch]

26. Oh please stop you are just silly.

Clinton is the presumptive winner and you are still beating misogyny like a drum. If the world is so cruel to us woman maybe we should!d just take our toys and go home.

Get over it! People are angry because they feel like their vote is unimportant.

[NurseJackie]

30. You and I share the same opinion with regard to that matter.

[SheenaR]

32. How do you figure

When most even on this board who can't stand the presumptive nominee are female

[JimDandy]

2. Hillary engineered this announcement. Bernie would never do so. Goes against everything he is for.

[msongs]

3. like being and independent for 74 yrs then dumping that to run as a dem lol nt

[JimDandy]

7. Nope. VT voter registration forms don't allow party membership declarations

Never-the-less, Bernie, the Independent, has walked the walk of the progressive wing of the Democratic Party his whole life. His actions and philosophy make his politics obvious. His politics were so in line with Democrats, that every Dem Party in the 50 states and territories allowed him on their ballot.

It was never the label that chapped people like Clinton and her supporters, it was simply the fact that he primaried her.

[senz]

5. Exactly. And if they'd done it the night before six primaries

he'd have read them the riot act.

But then, Bernie is a principled human being.

[JimDandy]

8. Yep, that is what made them so mad from day one. He couldn't be bought

and his principles were practically unassailable, especially next to Clinton's.

[senz]

11. I know. They looked at him, plain, humble and honest, and then they looked at her

all showy, hanging out with 1 percenters, hiding stuff left and right, and it made them feel strangely uncomfortable with what they had.

[beachbum bob]

15. thats a pretty wild opinion my friend...as this serves no good purpose for her at all

more likely a sanders ploy and more in tune with his approach to always make himself a victim....much more in line with that

[Silver_Witch]

27. That was sarcastic right?

Hillary and Bill have been the victims since the 90s just ask them poor dears always being hunted!

[rjsquirrel]

21. Engineered lol

And you know, so what if she did?

Politics ain't bean bag. You win by being better at it than your opponent.

But but but a birdie landed on his podium and he is giving away free college educations he has to win!!!!


She beat you. Done and done.

[gollygee]

22. It sounds like AP did it independently

Hillary doesn't control everything.

[grossproffit]

29. No, Obama did it after he hung up with Bernie. You know, since we're just making chit up.

[slipslidingaway]

9. Sanders is not under multiple investigations, sorry but that is a Big Deal, FOIA's have been

requested but not complied with because all business was conducted on her private server, that has delayed any transparency, in addition to her poor judgement on several key issues.

You cannot compare the two, apples and oranges, and Obama was not under investigation by the FBI. You can try and call all these investigations a witch hunt by the right wing, or you can admit there is something not right.

Your choice, and I am so damned tired of hearing it is because she is a woman, just like I was so tired of hearing any criticism of Obama by people in his own party was due to the color of his skin.

Stop hiding behind gender and race and deal with the issues.

[rjsquirrel]

23. Sanders has never been attacked

by the right yet.

They wanted him to win.

[rjsquirrel]

24. Proves the point

The criticism of Obama was overwhelmingly racist.


Bigots and sexists are always the last to see their own bias.

[Blanks]

28. Sanders went to Rome with reckless abandon...

If 1/1000 of the effort was put into investigating him that has gone into tearing down the Clinton's, he wouldn't fare nearly as well.

Hang on to your dream, but Hillary has a significantly better chance of defeating any right wing candidate they toss at her.

Just the couple of scandals that we know about Sanders would be enough to 'swift boat' him.

The right wants him to win for obvious reasons

[Thinkingabout]

13. The results are the result of We the People, it is a majority and we must accept.

[Joe the Revelator]

17. Now we are even talking like the right. Awesome.

We're almost to our final form.

[Thinkingabout]

18. Actually I have heard this from the far left for a few years, guess I am sounding far left.

[Joe the Revelator]

19. No you haven't, that term has cleanly been co-opted by the tea party

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51F5otkBnSL._AC_UL160_SR160,160_.jpg

[Thinkingabout]

31. Actually it was on DU, sort of thec opposite end far left, maybe the posters are RW trolls.

[brooklynite]

33. However grumpy people might be, they wouldn't be alleging conspiracy theories...