2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumNPR: The AP news broke just as Bernie took the podium in San Francisco
Bernie vows to fight on in his stump speech, which is just like all his others; his campaign chairman in Jersey says yep, they're planning to take it all the way to the convention to let the superdelegates decide, and he thinks they'll back Bernie.
Personally I think Bernie's going to pull the plug tomorrow night.
http://www.npr.org/2016/06/07/481058575/the-view-from-the-sanders-campaign
GreatGazoo
(3,937 posts)today is no different than every other day leading up to July 25
The MSM called this race months ago and every day since.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)And then came October and the first debate. But no one can say he didn't get a fair shake. Even after October he was still getting tons more face time on TV than Hillary.
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)reddread
(6,896 posts)yes, obviously.
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)and the reason Hillary wasn't on TV much is because she was freaking avoiding the press, which she still does to large extent.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)He was initially characterized as a whacky old man and a socialist, who was a fringe candidate that might get 5 percent of the vote....Then as he started to gain momentum, a little more attention but always couched in those terms.
He got a little of attention when he actually started drawing huge crowds and raking in contributions. Then the debate. But Clinton's "great performance" was used as an excuse to marginalize him again.
Then he was sent to media Siberia for a while.
For a couple of months Bernie was barely mentioned. The election was all described as Clinton vs. (Fill in the name of the GOP nominee).
Bernie did not exist...or just barely...even though he was out there drawing huge crowds and pulling in contributions.
It was only until after New Year that he could no longer be ignored. But very soon the media reverted to the narrative that Bernie was just a "message campaign" and it was impossible to beat Clinton.
SheenaR
(2,052 posts)scscholar
(2,902 posts)It was sarcasm. I hope it was sarcasm. I really do.
SheenaR
(2,052 posts)You would know that it was unfortunately not sarcasm
senz
(11,945 posts)Get it from their leader, I guess.
Demsrule86
(68,352 posts)He had a better chance because in 08 his Michigan win would not have counted. He lost by all measures...and this race has been over since March. No one called it. Did Hillary who ran for the presidency before and was well like in Congress have the edge...sure. That is what happens with a better-known candidate, but that did not stop a one term Senator from beating her in 08.
Had Obama delivered on some of the most basic promises he made in 2008, there would have been a similar groundswell around a populist candidate.
Unfortunately, many middle class Democrats have continued to struggle, and have continued to lack affordable health care and are making peanuts from Social Security.
Thus, they aren't going to trust the insurgent revolutionary again. So Obama without question has hurt Bernie.
Demsrule86
(68,352 posts)He lost...Bernie supporters can't substitute their will for the voter's will. It just can't happen...it would unleash a shitstorm unlike anything ever seen...we would lose for sure and it is just plain wrong and undemocratic.
CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)BERNIE IS THE MAN OF TRUTH, INTEGRITY AND HONOR! THERE IS ZERO REASON FOR HIM TO GET OUT OF THE RACE UNTIL... AFTER THE CONVENTION! HE OWES HILLARY, DEBBIE AND THE DNC CABAL... NOTHING! SO WE REALLY WANT MORE OF HILLARY LYING AND OBFUSCATING FOR ... YEARS? MORE OF THIS! FUCK NO!
e.g., MSNBC To the deniers... Watch THIS Video... It is not comforting to think that she may well be the Democratic Nominee...
Hillary really betrayed Andrea Mitchell... The entire context of this report was of a solemn nature... A Funeral so to speak...
Andrea Mitchell "I do not see this report as ...ANYTHING BUT... DEVASTATING!"
Chuck Todd "After this I don't think that she could get confirmed for Attorney General!"
Lots of FIBBING by Hillary here.. for more than a year!
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)Anyway last night I thought it was all a big coinky but now I'm not so sure. Hey that's politics and it's a game the Clintons are very, very good at.
HumanityExperiment
(1,442 posts)Bernie was labelled a 'fringe candidate', marginalized at the onset... people proved otherwise in the primaries... HRC shifted and was forced left hard... her campaign changed tactics... but always attempting to marginalize and impugn
'the Clintons are very, very good at.' HRC supporters acknowledge the reality but when presented with facts that support that contention that are used within the current? SILENCE, DEFLECTION and DENIAL and HRC folks wonder WHY people won't rally around HRC...
Demsrule86
(68,352 posts)Lord Magus
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(68,352 posts)The Polack MSgt
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randome
(34,845 posts)[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]
joshcryer
(62,265 posts)He knows it'll be an epic shitstorm from the BOBers and they'll be damned if they don't get the pundits going on for weeks if they get a couple of weekdays to bitch and moan.
Renew Deal
(81,801 posts)Unless he gets smoked tonight.
joshcryer
(62,265 posts)I will happily be corrected. But Clinton went radio silent for a few days after suspending, then she endorsed. I would not see anything wrong with Sanders doing the same.
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)He will have lost by tonight. He can continue to deny reality, but it won't matter. He will be irrelevant. He can either recognize that, put on his big boy p[ants and work to defeat Trump, or he can ignore reality and attempt to weaken Clinton. One reason I didn't vote for him is because I think he's the kind of man who go with the latter choice. But I hope he proves me wrong.
WI_DEM
(33,497 posts)and left the building with it.
Thanks for the visual.
thanks for that chuckle
Maru Kitteh
(28,303 posts)Time for him and Jane to go home for a little while. They have plenty on the plate waiting for them there. Come back out in a week or two and start campaigning for the nominee.
k8conant
(3,030 posts)eastwestdem
(1,220 posts)And that is enough to push any other candidate into the shadows.
senz
(11,945 posts)The results of these six primaries will always be tainted.
It will be interesting to see Hillary's already high "untrustworthy" numbers.