2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumThe choice is clear
which will it be? Hillary or Trump?
I know who I will be voting for... as I'm sure all of you do too!
Yay Hillary... and Bernie you gave it a good shot, but it's been over for some time. Time to reconcile. I'm sure most BSers will vote for Hillary, right? Welcome aboard!
SmittynMo
(3,544 posts)The choice is not clear. July 25. Presumptive means presumptive.
PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)I will never vote Hillary.
LexVegas
(6,005 posts)laruemtt
(3,992 posts)rock
(13,218 posts)That they won't vote for Hillary. Have you seen what they have posted about her in the past months: liar, thief, traitor, hypocrite, incompetent, unqualified, etc. Why would they vote for someone like that?
Matt_in_STL
(1,446 posts)rock
(13,218 posts)I knew from their postings that to call them Democrats was to demean the name. Now don't get me wrong, I think that most of the BSers will act like adults. About 80% indicate they will support the Democratic candidate.
Matt_in_STL
(1,446 posts)That vision has left the party and we are about to nominate the same type of person we have beaten up on Republicans for continuing to trot out election after election. I knocked on doors for Obama and worked to get him elected. I don't feel I can compromise my principles to cast a vote for someone simply because they are the lesser of two evils.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)on policy.
Matt_in_STL
(1,446 posts)Certainly not as much as I was when I volunteered. TPP, drones, lobbyists, etc. I have a fundamental difference of views with the party at this point.
LoverOfLiberty
(1,438 posts)though I'm sure you'll claim otherwise.
Matt_in_STL
(1,446 posts)Knowing her history of pushing trade deals behind the scenes while speaking out against them in public, how can I trust her?
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)knocked on doors and voted for President Obama ..., twice.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)to John Boehner and offered huge cuts in social welfare programs.
they were on board with him after that, but they may sit out 2016 because Hillary doesn't favor a big bang approach to single payer
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)every sort of speculative doom, just around the corner, being repeated time after time ... and wrong EVERY DAMNED TIME ... not unlike the reason they will sit out 2016 ... and wonder, again ... what went wrong.
Broward
(1,976 posts)rock
(13,218 posts)Sounds like you decided to go for the lesser of three evils. Incidentally the ones I'm talking about sound more like GOPers than BSers. And instead of working to improve the party through Democratic channels, you have decided that being absolutely right gives you the authority to make the choice for all of us, i.e. unilateral decisions. Now if we'd just step out of the way (we won't).
Matt_in_STL
(1,446 posts)I don't expect you to understand or even care to understand.
rock
(13,218 posts)But we live in a Democracy and I like that.
angrychair
(8,593 posts)It is very clear that the Democratic Party, as a generalization, rarely serves the interests of those in the Party.
The insidious part is they will still play the game, say the right buzz words, make sweeping statements and propose legislation that appears to be on the right track until you read all the compromise amendments.
Interesting how, over the last 20 years, the poor and middle-class have got poorer and the rich not just wealthy but mega-wealthy.
That, until very recently, it was not considered insider trading for members of congress to invest in companies in a manner that will benefit them most depending how they vote on a particular bill. FYI, they have, both Democrats and teapublicans. The STOCK Act was meant to curb it and was signed with great fanfare and a full room in 2013 but was mostly defanged in a new bill that was signed into law by PBO little more than a year later to an empty room and little acknowledgement.
Goal post and moving and inconsistent funding when it comes to alternative energy R&D, climate change denial falsified fuel efficiency standards. The rich keep getting richer but the poor and middle-class keep footing the bill.
I could go on for pages but most of you could care less about what I have to say if you are even still reading at this point.
At the end of the day, it boils down to one point for me:
It's easy to talk about virtues of compromise when you are not the one being compromised.
Lurks Often
(5,455 posts)How boring.
I will not vote for Clinton.
My vote will not make a damn bit of difference in the Presidential election for the state I live in.
Donald Ian Rankin
(13,598 posts)NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)MillennialDem
(2,367 posts)do better.
HumanityExperiment
(1,442 posts)'Bernie you gave it a good shot, but it's been over for some time. Time to reconcile. I'm sure most BSers will vote for Hillary, right? Welcome aboard!'
The above is a joke... the dismissive backhand while extending a foot in your backside stating 'Trump' is more evil.. gotta vote for the lesser evil posts...
Expect more of this throughout the GE, I for one will point out the joke, I hope others will to
as to 'welcome aboard'.... let me show you how 'aboard' I am shall we... more to come as we progress, we'll see how 'welcoming' you really are...
DLevine
(1,788 posts)Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)You have truly shown me what the Democratic party is actually about with this primary and I know I'm far from alone. You took fairly vague suspicions and repeatedly confirmed that those suspicions were true.
Sure you can gain a vote with this tactic but the strategy loses hearts and minds over the long term.
But it's good to know where you stand so I thank you for that.
Logical
(22,457 posts)Than ANY GOP idiot! I will vote for her.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)coyote
(1,561 posts)You can stick it up your <insert word of choice here>