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boston bean

(36,186 posts)
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 08:08 AM Jun 2016

The choice is clear

which will it be? Hillary or Trump?

I know who I will be voting for... as I'm sure all of you do too!

Yay Hillary... and Bernie you gave it a good shot, but it's been over for some time. Time to reconcile. I'm sure most BSers will vote for Hillary, right? Welcome aboard!



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The choice is clear (Original Post) boston bean Jun 2016 OP
Wrong!!! SmittynMo Jun 2016 #1
Wrong PowerToThePeople Jun 2016 #2
... LexVegas Jun 2016 #4
Me either. What a horror she is. This last stunt sealed it for me. laruemtt Jun 2016 #9
I'm sure there are some so full of themselves rock Jun 2016 #3
And now you finally get it. Matt_in_STL Jun 2016 #5
I got it from the very beginning rock Jun 2016 #6
No, some of us who have called ourselves Democrats believed in the vision of the party Matt_in_STL Jun 2016 #8
Oh please. Obama and Clinton are 95-98% in agreement geek tragedy Jun 2016 #12
Yes, but I am not as much in agreement with Obama at this point Matt_in_STL Jun 2016 #16
Hillary is against TPP LoverOfLiberty Jun 2016 #20
So she says, but she also called it "The Gold Standard" Matt_in_STL Jun 2016 #21
Bernie supports killing terrorists with drones nt geek tragedy Jun 2016 #24
Don'cha know EVERYONE that posts that stuff ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2016 #27
after Obama's disastrous handling of the 2011 debt showdown where he bent the knee geek tragedy Jun 2016 #28
I don't recall them being on board with President Obama ... ever. I do recall ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2016 #29
Yep, they're both right-wing corporatists. A lot of overlap. Broward Jun 2016 #30
Great story Bro' rock Jun 2016 #13
I'm making a choice based on me, my family, and my principles Matt_in_STL Jun 2016 #17
I accuse neither you nor Bernie of nefarious thoughts rock Jun 2016 #18
Find this amusing angrychair Jun 2016 #25
Another purity test post Lurks Often Jun 2016 #7
"Will vote to stop Trump becoming president" is a fairly low standard of purity... N.T. Donald Ian Rankin Jun 2016 #26
(c) none of the above. -nt- NorthCarolina Jun 2016 #10
A polite "fuck you, vote for Hillary she's better than Trump" hasn't sold me. She can and needs to MillennialDem Jun 2016 #11
...'The choice is clear'... HumanityExperiment Jun 2016 #14
Spot on. nt DLevine Jun 2016 #22
Yes, and I want to thank the people who have made this decision necessary Fumesucker Jun 2016 #15
Not a hillary fan but I have said all along that she is 1000 times better..... Logical Jun 2016 #19
Fortunately, my ballot comes with more than two choices. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2016 #23
Oh look an olive leaf. coyote Jun 2016 #31

rock

(13,218 posts)
3. I'm sure there are some so full of themselves
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 09:02 AM
Jun 2016

That they won't vote for Hillary. Have you seen what they have posted about her in the past months: liar, thief, traitor, hypocrite, incompetent, unqualified, etc. Why would they vote for someone like that?

rock

(13,218 posts)
6. I got it from the very beginning
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 09:18 AM
Jun 2016

I knew from their postings that to call them Democrats was to demean the name. Now don't get me wrong, I think that most of the BSers will act like adults. About 80% indicate they will support the Democratic candidate.

 

Matt_in_STL

(1,446 posts)
8. No, some of us who have called ourselves Democrats believed in the vision of the party
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 09:28 AM
Jun 2016

That vision has left the party and we are about to nominate the same type of person we have beaten up on Republicans for continuing to trot out election after election. I knocked on doors for Obama and worked to get him elected. I don't feel I can compromise my principles to cast a vote for someone simply because they are the lesser of two evils.

 

Matt_in_STL

(1,446 posts)
16. Yes, but I am not as much in agreement with Obama at this point
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 10:06 AM
Jun 2016

Certainly not as much as I was when I volunteered. TPP, drones, lobbyists, etc. I have a fundamental difference of views with the party at this point.

 

Matt_in_STL

(1,446 posts)
21. So she says, but she also called it "The Gold Standard"
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 10:26 AM
Jun 2016

Knowing her history of pushing trade deals behind the scenes while speaking out against them in public, how can I trust her?

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
27. Don'cha know EVERYONE that posts that stuff ...
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 05:30 PM
Jun 2016

knocked on doors and voted for President Obama ..., twice.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
28. after Obama's disastrous handling of the 2011 debt showdown where he bent the knee
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 05:32 PM
Jun 2016

to John Boehner and offered huge cuts in social welfare programs.

they were on board with him after that, but they may sit out 2016 because Hillary doesn't favor a big bang approach to single payer

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
29. I don't recall them being on board with President Obama ... ever. I do recall ...
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 05:36 PM
Jun 2016

every sort of speculative doom, just around the corner, being repeated time after time ... and wrong EVERY DAMNED TIME ... not unlike the reason they will sit out 2016 ... and wonder, again ... what went wrong.

rock

(13,218 posts)
13. Great story Bro'
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 09:39 AM
Jun 2016

Sounds like you decided to go for the lesser of three evils. Incidentally the ones I'm talking about sound more like GOPers than BSers. And instead of working to improve the party through Democratic channels, you have decided that being absolutely right gives you the authority to make the choice for all of us, i.e. unilateral decisions. Now if we'd just step out of the way (we won't).

 

Matt_in_STL

(1,446 posts)
17. I'm making a choice based on me, my family, and my principles
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 10:07 AM
Jun 2016

I don't expect you to understand or even care to understand.

angrychair

(8,593 posts)
25. Find this amusing
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 05:22 PM
Jun 2016
And instead of working to improve the party through Democratic channels


It is very clear that the Democratic Party, as a generalization, rarely serves the interests of those in the Party.

The insidious part is they will still play the game, say the right buzz words, make sweeping statements and propose legislation that appears to be on the right track until you read all the compromise amendments.
Interesting how, over the last 20 years, the poor and middle-class have got poorer and the rich not just wealthy but mega-wealthy.

That, until very recently, it was not considered insider trading for members of congress to invest in companies in a manner that will benefit them most depending how they vote on a particular bill. FYI, they have, both Democrats and teapublicans. The STOCK Act was meant to curb it and was signed with great fanfare and a full room in 2013 but was mostly defanged in a new bill that was signed into law by PBO little more than a year later to an empty room and little acknowledgement.

Goal post and moving and inconsistent funding when it comes to alternative energy R&D, climate change denial falsified fuel efficiency standards. The rich keep getting richer but the poor and middle-class keep footing the bill.
I could go on for pages but most of you could care less about what I have to say if you are even still reading at this point.
At the end of the day, it boils down to one point for me:

It's easy to talk about virtues of compromise when you are not the one being compromised.


 

Lurks Often

(5,455 posts)
7. Another purity test post
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 09:23 AM
Jun 2016

How boring.

I will not vote for Clinton.

My vote will not make a damn bit of difference in the Presidential election for the state I live in.

 

MillennialDem

(2,367 posts)
11. A polite "fuck you, vote for Hillary she's better than Trump" hasn't sold me. She can and needs to
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 09:35 AM
Jun 2016

do better.

 

HumanityExperiment

(1,442 posts)
14. ...'The choice is clear'...
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 09:45 AM
Jun 2016

'Bernie you gave it a good shot, but it's been over for some time. Time to reconcile. I'm sure most BSers will vote for Hillary, right? Welcome aboard!'

The above is a joke... the dismissive backhand while extending a foot in your backside stating 'Trump' is more evil.. gotta vote for the lesser evil posts...

Expect more of this throughout the GE, I for one will point out the joke, I hope others will to

as to 'welcome aboard'.... let me show you how 'aboard' I am shall we... more to come as we progress, we'll see how 'welcoming' you really are...

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
15. Yes, and I want to thank the people who have made this decision necessary
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 09:45 AM
Jun 2016

You have truly shown me what the Democratic party is actually about with this primary and I know I'm far from alone. You took fairly vague suspicions and repeatedly confirmed that those suspicions were true.

Sure you can gain a vote with this tactic but the strategy loses hearts and minds over the long term.

But it's good to know where you stand so I thank you for that.

 

Logical

(22,457 posts)
19. Not a hillary fan but I have said all along that she is 1000 times better.....
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 10:23 AM
Jun 2016

Than ANY GOP idiot! I will vote for her.

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
23. Fortunately, my ballot comes with more than two choices.
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 10:33 AM
Jun 2016
Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, and you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost. John Quincy Adams
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