AP Declaration is a Win/Win/Win for Camp Clinton!

[Skwmom]

It can help her win or if she loses it gives an excuse (or it can provide an excuse for funny looking vote counts) That is what I call a WIN/WIN/WIN for Camp Clinton!

The Corporate Media is like Clinton's own private SuperPac!

What a hell of a fourth estate.

And just think, if she loses she gets to play the victim of the media which has been her BIGGEST FAN

[NCTraveler]

1. The Corporate Media Loves The Clintons!!!!

Were you born yesterday? I mean seriously. I hope juries allow proper responses to ops like this as the desperation deepens.

[Skwmom]

2. With her baggage, if the corporate media did not love the Corporatist Clinton she would have been

out of the race long ago.

You know, NCTraveler, you can really tell when you hit the nail on the head in this manipulative game when you see the reaction of some posters.

[NCTraveler]

4. The Corporate Media Loves Clinton.

That shit is straight from Rush L.

Whaaaaaaa!!!! The Clinton Media!!!!!!

"when you see the reaction of some posters."

Spot on. Only one of us is promoting the verbiage and ideas used by Rush for decades.

[Skwmom]

7. Why do you think Dick Van Dyke calls it propaganda? Rush Limbaugh is an idiot.

[NCTraveler]

9. Rush L is an idiot and most of the Corporate Media is propoganda.

I have never argued against either. It's one of the reasons I'm a bit taken back that an argument Rush has been using for decades is now being used here by you.

Try to stay consistent. Love DVD by the way.

[alcibiades_mystery]

3. She seems super powerful for such a Weak Candidate(tm)

She controls the AP, the election boards in Arizona, every politico in Brooklyn, the Mayor of New Bedford. She maketh them all to do her bidding, mwahahahaha. The Weak Candidate(tm) seems to have a knack for outmaneuvering and outflanking the High Sparrow, good Lord!

[workinclasszero]

5. IKR?

Hillary controls...everything!!!

[dchill]

6. Including her negatives?

[onenote]

8. Seems like it should be a win/win for Sanders.

After all, if he loses, he gets to claim its because of the announcement. And if he wins, he gets to claim he would have won by even more.

The reality is that if Sanders voters don't show up today it's entirely on them. Bernie's strategy today is the same as it was yesterday and the day before. It has two parts:

1. Protest the media's proclamation of Clinton as the presumptive nominee based on pledged delegates and SD commitments. Sanders expected that proclamation to come tonight as soon as NJ was called for Clinton (he has acknowledged she's going to win there). Instead, it came a day early.

2. Fight to get the biggest wins possible in CA, NM, SD, ND and Montana -- especially in CA -- in order to cut into Clinton's pledged delegate margin (which likely will be over 300 delegates after NJ is called) and use those results and GE polls to try to convince SDs to switch before the convention.


Nothing about yesterday's announcement changes that strategy one iota. Yet, oddly, its the Sanders' supporters that are saying California is now meaningless, even though it means exactly what it meant to the Sanders campaign before last night's announcement.

[Skwmom]

10. Oh please, if he wins they will say he only won because her supporters didn't think it was

necessary to vote.

Nice try.

[Garrett78]

12. And you don't think the reverse is also true?

[onenote]

14. Well someobody should've told Bernie that.

Because his position is the same as it was: “Our job from now until the convention is to convince those superdelegates that Bernie is by far the strongest candidate against Donald Trump.”

And winning California is a key element of that effort.

Sanders isn't quitting. If his supporters quit, it's on them for having done so.

[passiveporcupine]

15. Most of us are not quitting.

I do admit it worries me about the new young voters who might be so pissed off about this they choose not to vote. Young people can and do overreact from emotion sometimes. It's as we get more mature, we realize how important it is to stay in the race till it's really over. Especially because winning may not be the only goal. Bernie has already talked about this.

[onenote]

16. That's what communicatoins and GOTV efforts are for

Explaining to voters why they need to get their butts to the voting booth.

[passiveporcupine]

18. Yeah, but a lot of them are still just kids.

It is what it is.

The Democratic Party needs a wake up call on how to get more people interested in voting. A lot of people have lost interest because most candidates are just more of the same, and they've given up. It takes candidates that don't represent the status quo, that really inspire change, to get new blood into the party and the Democratic Party has really blown it this convention by trying to shut down that voice of real change. When Hillary wins, a lot of young people may just drop out of the voting game again.

[anotherproletariat]

11. Sounds like you're making a case for what Sanders can use as an excuse for losing. nt

[Garrett78]

13. Occam's Razor says...

The media did what the media does in its hot pursuit to be first, and the others followed suit so as to not appear like they're behind. Following her victories over the weekend (Puerto Rico and Virgin Islands), Clinton was super close to the magic number (and there was talk over the weekend and Monday morning of Obama endorsing her soon), so all it took was for some superdelegate holdouts to declare their support. The list of superdelegates is out in the open, so AP reporters didn't have to work very hard to contact the holdouts or seek confirmation from those who had already expressed their support for Clinton.

As soon as Obama reached the magic number in '08, the media did the same thing. It's just that the timing was better (partly because that was a much closer contest and superdelegates were waiting to see if he would clear a majority of pledged delegates, whereas we've known for months that Clinton would end up with a majority of pledged delegates this year). Clinton conceded 4 days later, and I'd expect Sanders to do the same this year.

A late night announcement wasn't to Clinton's benefit, as it takes some of the wind out of the celebratory sails and could potentially weaken her post-clinching bump that candidates always experience. You do a 'news dump' ("take out the trash day&quot when it's negative, not when it's positive. Clinton was going to clinch the nomination with early returns from New Jersey anyway (during prime time), so I can't imagine her campaign is thrilled by the timing. And it could hurt her turnout as much as it hurts Sanders's turnout in today's primaries.

[tarheelsunc]

17. "the media which has been her BIGGEST FAN"

Are you fucking shitting me? Sanders would have been a complete nonfactor if the media hadn't continually propped him up and played up the "horse race" meme.

[passiveporcupine]

19. OK, this made me laff

One of the silliest things I've read all day.

[Major Hogwash]

20. Yup. Kabuki theater for the masses.

Prearranged, prepacked, and presented like a gift.

With a ribbon on top!