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berni_mccoy

(23,018 posts)
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 02:10 PM Jun 2016

Shaun King: Hillary Clinton has not won the Democratic Primary

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/king-hillary-clinton-not-won-democratic-primary-article-1.2664569

On Monday, on the eve of the most important day in the primary, on a day where not a single vote was cast, Hillary Clinton was surprisingly declared the winner of the Democratic Primary.

Tuesday was scheduled to be the single biggest day of the entire Democratic Primary season with a total of 694 pledged delegates up for grabs in California, New Jersey, North Dakota, South Dakota, Montana, and New Mexico.

In the past 45 days alone, more than 650,000 new voters registered in California and the state announced that with 72% of available voters registered, it was the highest percentage of people ever registered for primaries in the state.


This should have been a celebration for the Democratic Party as it welcomed record numbers of new voters into the fold. Instead, something far more nefarious and underhanded has happened. New voters didn't put Hillary Clinton over the top. Pledged delegates didn't seal the deal. It wasn't a recount of a primary or caucus.

It was a survey - an anonymous survey.

Yes, you read that correctly - a survey. The Associated Press conducted a secret survey of super-delegates, in which they promised to protect their identities, and determined that just enough of them, the perfect number actually, said they intended to vote for Hillary Clinton 50 days from now during the Democratic Convention. For the AP, that was enough to go ahead and call the race for her.


It's disgusting.


The entire setup by the media and yes Hillary's campaign yesterday just to suppress the votes in the remaining primary is absolutely disgusting. The reaction of Hill-fans goes to a whole new level of disgusting beyond that.
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Shaun King: Hillary Clinton has not won the Democratic Primary (Original Post) berni_mccoy Jun 2016 OP
we all knew she won after Feb 20. eom artyteacher Jun 2016 #1
You knew she was ahead. But she has NOT reached 2383 delegates and has NOT WON. senz Jun 2016 #24
i mean we knew she was on track... artyteacher Jun 2016 #30
When Sanders didn't get NY MFM008 Jun 2016 #2
Hillary Clinton Will Be Nominated Because More Democrats Are Voting For Her still_one Jun 2016 #3
"More democrats are voting for her". Are you sure about that? PotatoChip Jun 2016 #31
Yes, I am sure of that. I live in California, and have been doing call banking and canvasing, and still_one Jun 2016 #36
Source? ISUGRADIA Jun 2016 #42
Secretary Clinton has not won the primary, yet ... but she has become the Presumptive Nominee .... SFnomad Jun 2016 #4
Based on a super secret survey of anonymous sources berni_mccoy Jun 2016 #5
They won't be anonymous for long ... and it won't change your attitude once they're not either n/t SFnomad Jun 2016 #9
I get it. You're just fine with voter disenfranchisement just so long as your candidate wins berni_mccoy Jun 2016 #10
How is it disenfranchising voters? They haven't closed the polls. SFnomad Jun 2016 #11
Suppressing the vote by declaring a "winner" the night before is filthy. senz Jun 2016 #25
You have nothing to back up your assertion of suppressing the vote ... SFnomad Jun 2016 #35
The plans were to announce AFTER the primaries, not BEFORE. senz Jun 2016 #40
And you STILL have not provided ANY evidence of suppressing the vote ... just your say so n/t SFnomad Jun 2016 #43
Disenfranchisement? That word has an actual meaning ... NurseJackie Jun 2016 #14
Superdelegates aren't anonymous. TwilightZone Jun 2016 #12
What are the names of the superdelegates who just decided to support Clinton? imagine2015 Jun 2016 #19
You know what else is "a super secret survey of anonymous sources"? Lord Magus Jun 2016 #16
You do mean: Presumptuous Nominee? Raster Jun 2016 #6
Yeah, the BS children have been telling us this the last couple days SFnomad Jun 2016 #8
No, presumptive, as in the winner of the primary voting. geek tragedy Jun 2016 #29
It is disgusting Time for change Jun 2016 #7
I see some people leftynyc Jun 2016 #13
Not sure that I have read anywhere she won the Democratic Primary. Hyperbolic noise=useless. Sheepshank Jun 2016 #15
Have they declared Clinton the winner of the Presidential election yet? imagine2015 Jun 2016 #17
Boy, wouldn't THAT suppress voter turnout!! senz Jun 2016 #23
K&R felix_numinous Jun 2016 #18
K&R -- She has NOT won. It was a dirty trick designed to suppress today's voter turnout. senz Jun 2016 #20
Wait, so if there's 714 delegates remaining, Dr Hobbitstein Jun 2016 #33
It's impossible for EITHER candidate. senz Jun 2016 #39
If neither candidate his 2,383 PDs, it's up the supers. Dr Hobbitstein Jun 2016 #44
... LexVegas Jun 2016 #21
it just shows her weakness, that she needs the media to prop her restorefreedom Jun 2016 #22
. geek tragedy Jun 2016 #28
simply disgusting! nt Jack Bone Jun 2016 #26
No, but she will win it tonight, nt geek tragedy Jun 2016 #27
Neither candidate can reach 2383 delegates before the convention because senz Jun 2016 #37
Used to be a big fan of King, then he went over the top nuts. eom MohRokTah Jun 2016 #32
yesterday afternoon Alan Fram from AP was rounding up Supers: dana_b Jun 2016 #34
Yes, she has. nt. NCTraveler Jun 2016 #38
He was an average quarterback PepperHarlan Jun 2016 #41
In other news... Tarc Jun 2016 #45

still_one

(92,061 posts)
3. Hillary Clinton Will Be Nominated Because More Democrats Are Voting For Her
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 02:13 PM
Jun 2016

"In a statement released after the AP’s call, the Sanders campaign argued that the media is wrong to declare Clinton the presumptive nominee by including superdelegates.....

"But Sanders’s statement — and the AP’s call — distract from the larger point. Clinton will be the Democratic nominee because substantially more Democrats have voted for her. In addition to her elected delegate majority, she’s received approximately 13.5 million votes so far in primaries and caucuses, compared with 10.5 million for Sanders."

......

There also isn’t much sign of forward momentum for Sanders, after a strong run of contests in late March and early April. Over the past seven weeks, from the New York primary on April 19 through Puerto Rico on Sunday, Clinton has won 505 pledged delegates compared with 428 for Sanders. Her current lead in our national polling average, 14.4 percentage points, is the widest it has been since mid-February.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/hillary-clinton-clinches-democratic-nomination-according-to-ap/

PotatoChip

(3,186 posts)
31. "More democrats are voting for her". Are you sure about that?
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 02:51 PM
Jun 2016

This 17 point Bernie advantage among California Democrats would seem to suggest otherwise.




Image came from here: https://twitter.com/NotMeUs/status/740176538654650368

still_one

(92,061 posts)
36. Yes, I am sure of that. I live in California, and have been doing call banking and canvasing, and
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 03:25 PM
Jun 2016

those numbers are bullshit

The most accurate pollster in California is the Field Poll, and they give a 2 point spread between the candidates.

Registered Democrats who voted in the last election in California are overwhelming voting for Hillary

The wild cards are the NPP registrations, and the newly registered, and the consensus of pollsters in the last two weeks is within two point spread.

So yeah, I am sure about that.

Here are recent polls, including Marist/WSJ which gives a 2 point spread:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/ca/california_democratic_presidential_primary-5321.html

Maybe you should look again, and view things objectively


ISUGRADIA

(2,571 posts)
42. Source?
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 04:20 PM
Jun 2016

Somebody's tweet is not enough, I want to see this confirmed from the actual news website if you can provide a link.

 

SFnomad

(3,473 posts)
9. They won't be anonymous for long ... and it won't change your attitude once they're not either n/t
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 02:25 PM
Jun 2016
 

SFnomad

(3,473 posts)
11. How is it disenfranchising voters? They haven't closed the polls.
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 02:27 PM
Jun 2016

If someone decides on their own not to vote, for whatever reason that is and they're not being stopped from doing it ... it is NOT disenfranchisement. Words have meanings, you're abusing them.

 

SFnomad

(3,473 posts)
35. You have nothing to back up your assertion of suppressing the vote ...
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 03:06 PM
Jun 2016

And it is not disenfranchisement in any way, shape or form. Calling it that does a disservice to real voter disenfranchisement.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
40. The plans were to announce AFTER the primaries, not BEFORE.
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 03:56 PM
Jun 2016

The AP was going to give Hill a meaningless "presumptive candidate" status AFTER today's voting.

But they jumped the gun last night. Must have been worried about something.

 

SFnomad

(3,473 posts)
43. And you STILL have not provided ANY evidence of suppressing the vote ... just your say so n/t
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 05:19 PM
Jun 2016

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
14. Disenfranchisement? That word has an actual meaning ...
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 02:29 PM
Jun 2016

... and nobody is being deprived of their right to vote.


TwilightZone

(25,428 posts)
12. Superdelegates aren't anonymous.
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 02:28 PM
Jun 2016

There are lists publicly available. Feel free to contact them all.

In fact, you can probably get a list from Sanders' campaign. He's been in contact with them frequently of late.

 

imagine2015

(2,054 posts)
19. What are the names of the superdelegates who just decided to support Clinton?
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 02:40 PM
Jun 2016

Do you have that information?

According to the Associated Press the superdelegates who allegedly just decided to support Clinton wish to keep their support a secret.

Are you claiming that AP lied?

Read their statement.
 

SFnomad

(3,473 posts)
8. Yeah, the BS children have been telling us this the last couple days
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 02:24 PM
Jun 2016

They think they're cute. They're just in denial.

Secretary Clinton is the Presumptive Nominee.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
29. No, presumptive, as in the winner of the primary voting.
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 02:49 PM
Jun 2016

Doesn't matter if people who hate her guts accept it or not.

Time for change

(13,714 posts)
7. It is disgusting
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 02:20 PM
Jun 2016

But there is something that I find much more disgusting than this:

The massive voter suppression (poll closings, voter purging, and changing registrations in closed primaries) and other election fraud in this year's Democratic primaries.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
13. I see some people
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 02:28 PM
Jun 2016

still aren't ready to accept reality. Feel free to stamp your feet in frustration. It'll do every bit as much good as posting here will.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
20. K&R -- She has NOT won. It was a dirty trick designed to suppress today's voter turnout.
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 02:41 PM
Jun 2016

To win the 2016 Democratic primary, a candidate must have 2,383 delegates.

As of June 6th, Hillary has 1,812 pledged delegates and Bernie has 1,526 pledged delegates. That's a difference of 286 delegates.

To reach 2,383 before the convention, Hillary would need 571 more pledged delegates and Bernie would need 857 more pledged delegates.

The states that vote today and the number of pledged delegates available from each:

CA -- 475
MT -- 21
NJ -- 126
NM -- 34
ND -- 18
SD -- 20

D.C. has 20 delegates and votes on June 14.

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/election-2016/delegate-targets/

It is virtually impossible for either candidate to reach 2,383 pledged delegates from the remaining states. Since the pledged delegates alone don't confer 2,383, the superdelegate votes at the convention will make up the difference and decide the nomination.

The AP announced last night that Hillary had "won," even though she hasn't. They made this announcement before the seven remaining primaries had been held. It will depress voter turnout and is an an act of sabotage.

 

Dr Hobbitstein

(6,568 posts)
33. Wait, so if there's 714 delegates remaining,
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 02:55 PM
Jun 2016

and Bernie needs 857, wouldn't that make it a mathematical impossibility?

 

Dr Hobbitstein

(6,568 posts)
44. If neither candidate his 2,383 PDs, it's up the supers.
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 05:35 PM
Jun 2016

The supers have never swayed an election against the will of the people. The person with the most PDs wins.

And as far as Hillary hitting the mark with PD's, there's 714 remaining, she needs 570. It's mathematically possible, albeit not probable.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
22. it just shows her weakness, that she needs the media to prop her
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 02:42 PM
Jun 2016

i mean, the dnc hasn't declared her the nom, it was the press, and before all states voted.

pathetic, really. like the kid who needs his big brother to walk him to school because he can't yet take care of himself.

she is a pathetic, weak, propped candidate.

nov. gonna be a bloodbath

#neverhillary
#bernieorbust
#fuckunity
#thirdworldgovernment

dana_b

(11,546 posts)
34. yesterday afternoon Alan Fram from AP was rounding up Supers:
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 03:00 PM
Jun 2016
https://twitter.com/ShaunKing/status/740252636025348096

So then AP could be the outlet to declare FIRST!! Whoopee!! They were first - give them a cookie!
In the meantime they suppressed votes and shit on democracy.
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