Why is the AP concealing the identity of the alleged SDs who came out for HRC?

[cui bono]

Why is the media declaring a winner? And why are they doing so based on secrecy? How do we know anyone actually committed to Hillary to bring her to that magic number?

This is very troubling. So in a democracy we're not allowed to know who the SDs are that allegedly came out last minute and pushed the total to the number required at the convention?

This all leads to voter suppression in California. Why else would it be done with such 'secrecy' and not have waited one more day?

Perfect End to Democratic Primary: Anonymous Superdelegates Declare Winner Through Media

Last night, the Associated Press — on a day when nobody voted — surprised everyone by abruptly declaring the Democratic Party primary over and Hillary Clinton the victor. The decree, issued the night before the California primary in which polls show Clinton and Bernie Sanders in a very close race, was based on the media organization’s survey of “superdelegates”: the Democratic Party’s 720 insiders, corporate donors, and officials whose votes for the presidential nominee count the same as the actually elected delegates. AP claims that superdelegates who had not previously announced their intentions privately told AP reporters that they intend to vote for Clinton, bringing her over the threshold. AP is concealing the identity of the decisive superdelegates who said this.

Although the Sanders campaign rejected the validity of AP’s declaration — on the ground that the superdelegates do not vote until the convention and he intends to try to persuade them to vote for him — most major media outlets followed the projection and declared Clinton the winner.

This is the perfect symbolic ending to the Democratic Party primary: The nomination is consecrated by a media organization, on a day when nobody voted, based on secret discussions with anonymous establishment insiders and donors whose identities the media organization — incredibly — conceals. The decisive edifice of superdelegates is itself anti-democratic and inherently corrupt: designed to prevent actual voters from making choices that the party establishment dislikes. But for a party run by insiders and funded by corporate interests, it’s only fitting that its nomination process ends with such an ignominious, awkward, and undemocratic sputter.

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That the Democratic Party nominating process is declared to be over in such an uninspiring, secretive, and elite-driven manner is perfectly symbolic of what the party, and its likely nominee, actually is. The one positive aspect, though significant, is symbolic, while the actual substance — rallying behind a Wall Street-funded, status quo-perpetuating, multimillionaire militarist — is grim in the extreme. The Democratic Party got exactly the ending it deserved.

https://theintercept.com/2016/06/07/perfect-end-to-democratic-primary-anonymous-super-delegates-declare-winner-through-media/

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[onehandle]

1. IT'S A CONSPIRACY! nt

[CorporatistNation]

4. They Do So Because The "Media" Are Appointed, Well Compensated Agents Of The Oligarchy...

in charge! Protecting their "appointee" to the WH and whatever she does or says is the "Media's" responsibility...

Just Don't Ask Her No Questions... And She Won't Tell Us No Lies!

e.g., MSNBC To the deniers... Watch THIS Video... It is not comforting to think that she may well be the Democratic Nominee...

Hillary really betrayed Andrea Mitchell... The entire context of this report was of a solemn nature... A Funeral so to speak...

Andrea Mitchell "I do not see this report as ...ANYTHING BUT... DEVASTATING!"

Chuck Todd "After this I don't think that she could get confirmed for Attorney General!"

Lots of FIBBING by Hillary here.. for more than a year!

[onehandle]

6. I think your auto-post script needs a tune-up. nt

[peace13]

32. Mika's video gives me the creepy crawlies.

When Hill stammers you can tell the lie. She is a sad excuse for a human being. And this is what people choose for president? We are in real trouble. This footage will not go away!

[cui bono]

7. No, this actually happened. So why are they not telling us who these alleged SDs are?

I know you like to be the first post in my OPs but for once why don't you go for substance?

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[warrprayer]

2. David Brock

Earning his salary

[Cali_Democrat]

3. David Brock is behind everything!

MWHAHAHAHAHA.....

[passiveporcupine]

12. Yep

This is exactly his style.

And it makes no sense for those SD's to think they need to keep this secret while letting it affect a media announcement like this, unless they are in on it.

[bunnies]

5. Perhaps the anonymous SDs don't have the courage of their convictions.

[BobbyDrake]

9. I wonder if the death threats towards the AP author have anything to do with it.

Maybe they don't want to expose the superdelegates to the same vile behavior?

Easy for Glenn Greenwald to take potshots from wherever it is in not-America that he abides.

[randome]

10. No one declared anyone the 'winner'. But Clinton is now the presumed nominee.

And superdelegates know they will face the wrath of unhinged supporters so they do not want to speak on the record. Sanders' supporters were his worst enemy. THEY are responsible for his losing the nomination.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

[passiveporcupine]

14. You sure about that?

Striding into history, Hillary Clinton will become the first woman to top the presidential ticket of a major U.S. political party

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/4c9c850385c84b12ad5b85fda49743f9/after-weekend-wins-clinton-cusp-democratic-nomination

[randome]

18. Yeah, well, they shouldn't have worded it that way, I agree.

But it's been clear for quite a while that this was how it was going to shake out. Sanders has fewer endorsements than Ted Cruz had. To think that he was going to upend society based on...what...willpower? was nonsense from the start.

The guy couldn't flip even one superdelegate. How could you believe that this guy could forge alliances and bring people together? It's like he doesn't have any social skills at all outside the podium.

Decent man, great ideas. But not a leader.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

[passiveporcupine]

20. Supers usually stick with the person with the most pledged delegates...

I admit that. And his chances of flipping delegates if he can't close that gap, is slim to none, I agree.

That does not mean it's OK to include SD in totals to call a 'presumptive' nominee.

If somehow Sanders wins enough today (yeah yeah, I know he won't)...he could end up with the majority of votes and PD's and then he could flip most of the SD's. It's not probable, but it's mathematically possible and historically possible, so calling the race last night was a really sucky thing to do.

One fucking day before Cali gets to vote, and things like this DO affect turnout. Usually being a winner brings out more people. encourages voters to stick with their candidate.

When a candidate is losing you often see a drop in money and enthusiasm.

[senz]

39. Supers also consider electability.

Hill does not poll well against Trump. Even with the corporate media pushing her along, she is slipping behind.

Her favorability numbers have long been in the tank.

And she has a criminal indictment hanging over her head.

That makes Bernie, who was only 286 delegates behind her before these now questionable six primaries, look better and better.

[passiveporcupine]

41. I don't think you understand how strong the fear of losing the establishment is

They are mostly establishment dems, who will do anything to make sure she wins.

Bernie is a threat to the establishment. And we all know why...because the establishment is part of the oligarchy he is fighting against.

[senz]

42. Hm, yeah. With Trump they'd still have their precious oligarchy.

Anything to avoid sharing the benefits of this country with its people.

[workinclasszero]

11. So they don't get doxed and inundated with death threats?

[lanlady]

13. Ask the chairwoman of the Nevada Democratic Party

Death threats and other ugliness ensue when Bernie bros don't get their way.

[Maedhros]

16. Meh. I've become immune to the lies and distortions profferred by Hillary's personality cult.

When I see more of them posted, it just gives me more resolve to stick to my guns and not surrender my integrity to vote for a scheming warmonger.

[passiveporcupine]

33. And boy are they coming out of the woodwork now

We are going to be hearing a lot of shit about Bernie Bros and whining and poor losers and anything else they can copy from Brock's playbook.

Let em have their day. They will end up the losers if Hillary gets us into a war with Russia or Iran.

We will too, but at least we can say we tried to stop it.

[workinclasszero]

17. Bingo

[ciaobaby]

15. Read somewhere is was Obama and Biden.

[Sancho]

19. Most are not secret...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Democratic_Party_superdelegates,_2016

Some on the list are undeclared...but it seems obvious...like Debbie Wasserman Schultz!

[cui bono]

25. We're talking about the ones that the AP claims put Hillary over the top.

[Sancho]

36. Like I said...look down the list!

Pelosi and DWS were on the uncommitted list at the time of the survey. You can take the 125 that were unknown a couple days ago (some have come out now), and you could guess the 30-40 who were not going to say, but obviously were in the Hillary camp.

There have been sources saying for a couple weeks that 40-50 SDs wanted to announce for Hillary, but she was asking them to hold off until June 7. AP surveyed them and let the cat out of the bag early.

[KingFlorez]

21. The media protects sources

If the superdelegates contacted agreed to reveal their pledged, but didn't want their name put out there just yet, the AP was going to abide by those terms.

[cui bono]

22. This is a democracy. Well it's supposed to be.

You really think it's okay to have some secret anonymous people deciding our presidential candidates? Really? Think about it from a non-biased perspective.

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[KingFlorez]

23. Superdelegates didn't decide the race, the voters did

[cui bono]

24. So the people who called the AP were voters? That's not what I heard.

How did they manage to add to any delegate total if they were voters? It wasn't even a day when anyone voted.

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[KingFlorez]

27. The superdelegates are following the will of the voters

Paying the semantics game is a futile exercise.

[cui bono]

30. So you didn't read the OP. Not surprised.

If you had you would know what I'm talking about and not have posted what you just did.

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[Fresh_Start]

26. democracy doesn't require open votes

in fact, it works better when peoples votes are private

[peace13]

29. That works when there is proof that votes were cast or changed.

Without proof....not so much!

[cui bono]

31. We're not talking about votes. We're talking about superdelegates.

Whose existence is in and of itself undemocratic.

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[peace13]

28. The fact that Hill supporters do not care to know disgusts me completely!

[passiveporcupine]

34. Yeah, it's kinda like not caring where the money comes from

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as long as it's helping your candidate win.

[peace13]

38. And then telling people that they have to work like dogs...

...to get her elected. Wow...big balls coming through!

[cui bono]

37. They only care about one thing...

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[peace13]

40. Yup, weird, like there's a Twinkie in it for them!

[Hiraeth]

35. because. gossip.