2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumThis really sums it up
This is the perfect symbolic ending to the Democratic Party primary, wrote the Intercept journalist on Tuesday. The nomination is consecrated by a media organization, on a day when nobody voted, based on secret discussions with anonymous establishment insiders and donors whose identities the media organization incredibly conceals.He went on to write that while being the first female nominee of a major political party in the U.S. is important symbolically speaking, there is not much else to be thrilled about with regards to the results of the 2016 primary contests.
From The Intercept:
[Monday] night, the Associated Press on a day when nobody voted surprised everyone by abruptly declaring the Democratic Party primary over and Hillary Clinton the victor. The decree, issued the night before the California primary in which polls show Clinton and Bernie Sanders in a very close race, was based on the media organizations survey of superdelegates: the Democratic Partys 720 insiders, corporate donors, and officials whose votes for the presidential nominee count the same as the actually elected delegates. AP claims that superdelegates who had not previously announced their intentions privately told AP reporters that they intend to vote for Clinton, bringing her over the threshold. AP is concealing the identity of the decisive superdelegates who said this.
Although the Sanders campaign rejected the validity of APs declaration on the ground that the superdelegates do not vote until the convention and he intends to try to persuade them to vote for him most major media outlets followed the projection and declared Clinton the winner. ... The decisive edifice of superdelegates is itself anti-democratic and inherently corrupt: designed to prevent actual voters from making choices that the party establishment dislikes. But for a party run by insiders and funded by corporate interests, its only fitting that its nomination process ends with such an ignominious, awkward, and undemocratic sputter.
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the actual substance rallying behind a Wall Street-funded, status quo-perpetuating, multimillionaire militarist is grim in the extreme. The Democratic Party got exactly the ending it deserved.
http://www.truthdig.com/eartotheground/item/glenn_greenwald_spot-on_ap_premature_declaration_hillary_clinton_20160608

tonyt53
(5,737 posts)peace13
(11,076 posts)dchill
(42,009 posts)Try to get the substance of the article, and ruminate.
TwilightZone
(28,835 posts)The vast majority of them lean left or right. They're independents only because they don't bother with party labels. The number who are truly independent is a small fraction of the total. The ones who lean left will go primarily to Hillary.
As for 29%, that's outdated information. Dems are now 36% of the electorate and rising. They've been the largest voting bloc in the country since December.
http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/party-identification
dchill
(42,009 posts)How much of the uptick in Dem registration do you attribute to Bernie Sanders' candidacy? What happens now?
tonyt53
(5,737 posts)in the Democratic Party registration.
dchill
(42,009 posts)George Eliot
(701 posts)He campaigned for Hillary. Me, I think it was jerry and minorities. I'm not sure the AP bad a big influence there. But the AP ploy was a dirty trick IMO.
larkrake
(1,674 posts)they wont vote for lesser, they will vote only downticket, then there are the flood of dems leaving the party because it is going dark. They will likely pick and choose on the ballot and it wont be for a wreckless hawk as pres. Luckily they wont vote trump. You end up with 20% of the dem electorate. add minorities who feel they have to vote and she wins, but not by dems, and not by a large margin.Once she is in the WH, every betrayal will drive dems to leave the party. Loyalty died this year, in both partys for jamming bad candidates down our gullets
and dems are not the largest block- Indys are over 40% and growing hugely after the convention.If they ever organize, both the DNC and the RNC will die off.
lapfog_1
(30,798 posts)What is the goal of the Hillary Clinton campaign... was it ONLY to win the nomination?
If so, congratulations.
If not, "getting rid" of anyone who might vote for Hillary in the general election might not be such a good idea, right?
ljm2002
(10,751 posts)...then see how well your candidate does in the general.
Good luck with that.
peace13
(11,076 posts)..couple that with the fact that I can't get the song, There's Got to be a Morning After out of my head and today is....well, today is a challenge!
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)by Skinner to moderate negative attacks, then that speaks badly of us. I propose that we surprise the DU Administration and reconcile before June 16.
avaistheone1
(14,626 posts)What the AP did is unforgivable. It undermines democracy imo.
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)djean111
(14,255 posts)TwilightZone
(28,835 posts)The rest of the blather is just nonsense. Had it been another day later, Greenwald would still be whining.
floppyboo
(2,461 posts)If 'whining' bothers you so much, you should burn all your history books right now.
TwilightZone
(28,835 posts)It's whining. Greenwald knows full well that he's lying and pushes on regardless.
floppyboo
(2,461 posts)that invites a counter critique of its flaws. Which facts do you find were interpreted falsely?
senz
(11,945 posts)2,178
Trenzalore
(2,575 posts)Bernie and Hillary can mend fences in the next 3 weeks and he releases his delegates.
Something unfortunate could happen to either one of them.
That is why they are calling it the presumptive nominee and not nominee.
ljm2002
(10,751 posts)...they actively solicited commitments from uncommitted (or not publicly committed) superdelegates. "We've been rounding up superdelegates" from an AP email.
Second, even the DNC has chided the media about including superdelegates in the counts, and yet they had to include them to get to 2383.
Had Hillary reached 2383 in pledged delegates, I would certainly have no objection to that being reported, the very instant it happened. But to have the media play an active role, and then make a breathless announcement the evening before 6 states including California voted, and having to include superdelegates that they had actively solicited -- that is an outrageous turn of events. Shame on them for doing that.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)That'll go woosh! with a lot of folks, but it's very apt.
Hope Google doesn't break.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)edgineered
(2,101 posts)for the woosh! sound to make it into print.
uponit7771
(92,730 posts)bvf
(6,604 posts)Faux pas
(15,613 posts)
AllTooEasy
(1,261 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)Investigators are still on her tail.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)bvf
(6,604 posts)msanthrope
(37,549 posts)bvf
(6,604 posts)with near-record-high negative ratings anywhere near him. By the time Clinton left office, 58% of voters--all voters--deemed him untrustworthy and dishonest.
Hillary's numbers are already in the same ballpark. If she manages to squeak by Trump in the GE, which is doubtful, she'll make him look like a piker on that score, less than halfway into a first and only term.
Enjoy.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)"blown" reflects poorly on you....not President Clinton.
James Wolcott described this faux outrage about fellatio....
http://thecommons4change.blogspot.com/2005/04/james-wolcott-on-some-sad-laps-no.html?m=1
bvf
(6,604 posts)Emphasis mine.
As to "blown," would you have preferred the term "unfaithful"?
Again, not nonsense. Use your head.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_image_of_Bill_Clinton
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)my point.
Don't let the Clenis get you down.
bvf
(6,604 posts)instead to wrongly call them "nonsense" before going for the Big Deflect.
Typical. What synonym for "Clinton blow job" would you prefer I use in the future? Hate to offend your delicate sensibilities, so I offer that in the spirit of unity.
Who knows? Maybe the next administration will bring us a reason to seek out new and better synonyms for "cuckold," as well. Or maybe, just "repeat offender."
Perhaps not, though. Given how poorly Hillary's stacking up against the idiot Trump, we probably needn't worry so, at least about that.
My original point stands. You can't truthfully deny it, much as you clearly, desperately want to.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)revisit them at a date certain....see, Newt, Craig, Vitter, Starr.....don't fear the Clenis.
bvf
(6,604 posts)but still insist on saying it.
OK. Dealing with people who do that is the easiest thing in the world.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)us all?
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)Tarc
(10,590 posts)Yep, the voters voted; they didn't pick Bernie.
How 'bout that?
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)Quite enlightening and revolting