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amborin

(16,631 posts)
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 10:50 AM Jun 2016

This really sums it up

This is the perfect symbolic ending to the Democratic Party primary,” wrote the Intercept journalist on Tuesday. “The nomination is consecrated by a media organization, on a day when nobody voted, based on secret discussions with anonymous establishment insiders and donors whose identities the media organization — incredibly — conceals.”

He went on to write that while being the first female nominee of a major political party in the U.S. is important symbolically speaking, there is not much else to be thrilled about with regards to the results of the 2016 primary contests.

From The Intercept:

[Monday] night, the Associated Press — on a day when nobody voted — surprised everyone by abruptly declaring the Democratic Party primary over and Hillary Clinton the victor. The decree, issued the night before the California primary in which polls show Clinton and Bernie Sanders in a very close race, was based on the media organization’s survey of “superdelegates”: the Democratic Party’s 720 insiders, corporate donors, and officials whose votes for the presidential nominee count the same as the actually elected delegates. AP claims that superdelegates who had not previously announced their intentions privately told AP reporters that they intend to vote for Clinton, bringing her over the threshold. AP is concealing the identity of the decisive superdelegates who said this.

Although the Sanders campaign rejected the validity of AP’s declaration — on the ground that the superdelegates do not vote until the convention and he intends to try to persuade them to vote for him — most major media outlets followed the projection and declared Clinton the winner. ... The decisive edifice of superdelegates is itself anti-democratic and inherently corrupt: designed to prevent actual voters from making choices that the party establishment dislikes. But for a party run by insiders and funded by corporate interests, it’s only fitting that its nomination process ends with such an ignominious, awkward, and undemocratic sputter.


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the actual substance — rallying behind a Wall Street-funded, status quo-perpetuating, multimillionaire militarist — is grim in the extreme. The Democratic Party got exactly the ending it deserved.

http://www.truthdig.com/eartotheground/item/glenn_greenwald_spot-on_ap_premature_declaration_hillary_clinton_20160608
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This really sums it up (Original Post) amborin Jun 2016 OP
Yep, we did. We got rid of the sore losers. tonyt53 Jun 2016 #1
Pretty impressive response. peace13 Jun 2016 #4
Leaving you with a MAXIMUM 29% share of the electorate. dchill Jun 2016 #6
Only if you don't understand who independents are. TwilightZone Jun 2016 #9
Everybody is a fraction of the total. dchill Jun 2016 #13
In states with those open primaries, they registered as indies. CA showed the influence of Bernie tonyt53 Jun 2016 #28
CA showed the influence of the AP. dchill Jun 2016 #38
What about the influence of Jerry Brown? George Eliot Jun 2016 #49
that dem number includes progressives, thanks to Bernie, so dont include those larkrake Jun 2016 #39
The real question is lapfog_1 Jun 2016 #19
Y'all can go ahead and be sore winners in the primary... ljm2002 Jun 2016 #23
Bleak.... peace13 Jun 2016 #2
The time has come to lay down our digital arms. If we need a June 16 deadline imposed on us Trust Buster Jun 2016 #3
B.S. this is not a negative attack. avaistheone1 Jun 2016 #8
Re-read the last highlight in the OP and tell me that will fly on June 16. Trust Buster Jun 2016 #11
Well, at least I can stop being whatever a "Democrat" is, these days! n/t djean111 Jun 2016 #5
This. nt vintx Jun 2016 #21
+1. nt ncliberal Jun 2016 #43
The AP can count to 2383. They did so, and reported the results. TwilightZone Jun 2016 #7
Why is every critique 'whining'? floppyboo Jun 2016 #12
A critique based on intentionally false information is not a critique. TwilightZone Jun 2016 #15
A critique is an argued opinion based on interpretation of facts floppyboo Jun 2016 #20
Hillary now has 2,178 pledged delegates. We do not know how the SDs will vote in July. senz Jun 2016 #22
You don't know how the pledged delegates are going to vote either Trenzalore Jun 2016 #42
First, they did not just "count to 2383"... ljm2002 Jun 2016 #25
I missed Hillary's victory speech last was she wearing Tweed by any chance? azurnoir Jun 2016 #10
*Snerk* bvf Jun 2016 #16
well I'm not sure if it's still in fashion oe what azurnoir Jun 2016 #17
Apt, it is. libdem4life Jun 2016 #18
Damn surprised that it took 26 minutes edgineered Jun 2016 #30
Yeap, ANOTHER sanders post making an issue of what Clinton wears... .sigh... so deaf uponit7771 Jun 2016 #26
Whoosh! (Never gets old, Ed.) bvf Jun 2016 #31
Kickin' for the truth! Faux pas Jun 2016 #14
Bullshit: This is how it ended AllTooEasy Jun 2016 #29
Yep. The last cheating dishonesty in a long dishonest career. senz Jun 2016 #24
Ask Ken Starr how that worked out for him. nt msanthrope Jun 2016 #27
Better you should ask Al Gore. bvf Jun 2016 #33
Al forgot to use a popular President, and got screwed by Nader. nt msanthrope Jun 2016 #34
Al didn't dare let a blown president bvf Jun 2016 #35
Nonsense. Clinton had record approval ratings leaving office. And your use of the term msanthrope Jun 2016 #36
Nope. Not nonsense at all. bvf Jun 2016 #37
73% approval rating after impeachment...from your own link. Thanks for proving msanthrope Jun 2016 #40
So you can't dispute the numbers I posted, choosing bvf Jun 2016 #41
I find that the people most concerned about Bill's infidelities tend to have Karma msanthrope Jun 2016 #44
So you have nothing to say bvf Jun 2016 #45
Oh....I think I said it. You did, too. Or did you not realize precisely what you telegraphed to msanthrope Jun 2016 #46
Ask Ken Starr how that worked out for him. nt msanthrope Jun 2016 #32
"The Democratic Party got exactly the ending it deserved" Tarc Jun 2016 #47
She is the establishment candidate. All of the money and media are in her favor. Doctor_J Jun 2016 #48

dchill

(38,432 posts)
6. Leaving you with a MAXIMUM 29% share of the electorate.
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 10:58 AM
Jun 2016

Try to get the substance of the article, and ruminate.

TwilightZone

(25,426 posts)
9. Only if you don't understand who independents are.
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 11:03 AM
Jun 2016

The vast majority of them lean left or right. They're independents only because they don't bother with party labels. The number who are truly independent is a small fraction of the total. The ones who lean left will go primarily to Hillary.

As for 29%, that's outdated information. Dems are now 36% of the electorate and rising. They've been the largest voting bloc in the country since December.

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/party-identification

dchill

(38,432 posts)
13. Everybody is a fraction of the total.
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 11:10 AM
Jun 2016

How much of the uptick in Dem registration do you attribute to Bernie Sanders' candidacy? What happens now?

 

tonyt53

(5,737 posts)
28. In states with those open primaries, they registered as indies. CA showed the influence of Bernie
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 12:41 PM
Jun 2016

in the Democratic Party registration.

George Eliot

(701 posts)
49. What about the influence of Jerry Brown?
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 02:13 AM
Jun 2016

He campaigned for Hillary. Me, I think it was jerry and minorities. I'm not sure the AP bad a big influence there. But the AP ploy was a dirty trick IMO.

 

larkrake

(1,674 posts)
39. that dem number includes progressives, thanks to Bernie, so dont include those
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 02:51 PM
Jun 2016

they wont vote for lesser, they will vote only downticket, then there are the flood of dems leaving the party because it is going dark. They will likely pick and choose on the ballot and it wont be for a wreckless hawk as pres. Luckily they wont vote trump. You end up with 20% of the dem electorate. add minorities who feel they have to vote and she wins, but not by dems, and not by a large margin.Once she is in the WH, every betrayal will drive dems to leave the party. Loyalty died this year, in both partys for jamming bad candidates down our gullets

and dems are not the largest block- Indys are over 40% and growing hugely after the convention.If they ever organize, both the DNC and the RNC will die off.

lapfog_1

(29,189 posts)
19. The real question is
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 11:18 AM
Jun 2016

What is the goal of the Hillary Clinton campaign... was it ONLY to win the nomination?

If so, congratulations.

If not, "getting rid" of anyone who might vote for Hillary in the general election might not be such a good idea, right?

ljm2002

(10,751 posts)
23. Y'all can go ahead and be sore winners in the primary...
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 12:33 PM
Jun 2016

...then see how well your candidate does in the general.

Good luck with that.

 

peace13

(11,076 posts)
2. Bleak....
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 10:54 AM
Jun 2016

..couple that with the fact that I can't get the song, There's Got to be a Morning After out of my head and today is....well, today is a challenge!

 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
3. The time has come to lay down our digital arms. If we need a June 16 deadline imposed on us
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 10:54 AM
Jun 2016

by Skinner to moderate negative attacks, then that speaks badly of us. I propose that we surprise the DU Administration and reconcile before June 16.

TwilightZone

(25,426 posts)
7. The AP can count to 2383. They did so, and reported the results.
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 10:58 AM
Jun 2016

The rest of the blather is just nonsense. Had it been another day later, Greenwald would still be whining.

floppyboo

(2,461 posts)
12. Why is every critique 'whining'?
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 11:08 AM
Jun 2016

If 'whining' bothers you so much, you should burn all your history books right now.

TwilightZone

(25,426 posts)
15. A critique based on intentionally false information is not a critique.
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 11:11 AM
Jun 2016

It's whining. Greenwald knows full well that he's lying and pushes on regardless.

floppyboo

(2,461 posts)
20. A critique is an argued opinion based on interpretation of facts
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 11:25 AM
Jun 2016

that invites a counter critique of its flaws. Which facts do you find were interpreted falsely?

Trenzalore

(2,331 posts)
42. You don't know how the pledged delegates are going to vote either
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 08:05 PM
Jun 2016

Bernie and Hillary can mend fences in the next 3 weeks and he releases his delegates.

Something unfortunate could happen to either one of them.

That is why they are calling it the presumptive nominee and not nominee.

ljm2002

(10,751 posts)
25. First, they did not just "count to 2383"...
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 12:38 PM
Jun 2016

...they actively solicited commitments from uncommitted (or not publicly committed) superdelegates. "We've been rounding up superdelegates" from an AP email.

Second, even the DNC has chided the media about including superdelegates in the counts, and yet they had to include them to get to 2383.

Had Hillary reached 2383 in pledged delegates, I would certainly have no objection to that being reported, the very instant it happened. But to have the media play an active role, and then make a breathless announcement the evening before 6 states including California voted, and having to include superdelegates that they had actively solicited -- that is an outrageous turn of events. Shame on them for doing that.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
24. Yep. The last cheating dishonesty in a long dishonest career.
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 12:34 PM
Jun 2016

Investigators are still on her tail.

 

bvf

(6,604 posts)
35. Al didn't dare let a blown president
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 02:02 PM
Jun 2016

with near-record-high negative ratings anywhere near him. By the time Clinton left office, 58% of voters--all voters--deemed him untrustworthy and dishonest.

Hillary's numbers are already in the same ballpark. If she manages to squeak by Trump in the GE, which is doubtful, she'll make him look like a piker on that score, less than halfway into a first and only term.

Enjoy.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
36. Nonsense. Clinton had record approval ratings leaving office. And your use of the term
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 02:35 PM
Jun 2016

"blown" reflects poorly on you....not President Clinton.

James Wolcott described this faux outrage about fellatio....

http://thecommons4change.blogspot.com/2005/04/james-wolcott-on-some-sad-laps-no.html?m=1








 

bvf

(6,604 posts)
37. Nope. Not nonsense at all.
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 02:46 PM
Jun 2016
As he was leaving office, a CNN/USA TODAY/Gallup poll revealed 45% said they'd miss him. While 55% thought he "would have something worthwhile to contribute and should remain active in public life", 68% thought he'd be remembered for his "involvement in personal scandal", and 58% answered "No" to the question "Do you generally think Bill Clinton is honest and trustworthy?".


Emphasis mine.

As to "blown," would you have preferred the term "unfaithful"?

Again, not nonsense. Use your head.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_image_of_Bill_Clinton
 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
40. 73% approval rating after impeachment...from your own link. Thanks for proving
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 04:09 PM
Jun 2016

my point.

Don't let the Clenis get you down.

 

bvf

(6,604 posts)
41. So you can't dispute the numbers I posted, choosing
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 07:56 PM
Jun 2016

instead to wrongly call them "nonsense" before going for the Big Deflect.

Typical. What synonym for "Clinton blow job" would you prefer I use in the future? Hate to offend your delicate sensibilities, so I offer that in the spirit of unity.

Who knows? Maybe the next administration will bring us a reason to seek out new and better synonyms for "cuckold," as well. Or maybe, just "repeat offender."

Perhaps not, though. Given how poorly Hillary's stacking up against the idiot Trump, we probably needn't worry so, at least about that.

My original point stands. You can't truthfully deny it, much as you clearly, desperately want to.




 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
44. I find that the people most concerned about Bill's infidelities tend to have Karma
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 08:22 PM
Jun 2016

revisit them at a date certain....see, Newt, Craig, Vitter, Starr.....don't fear the Clenis.

 

bvf

(6,604 posts)
45. So you have nothing to say
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 08:47 PM
Jun 2016

but still insist on saying it.

OK. Dealing with people who do that is the easiest thing in the world.


 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
46. Oh....I think I said it. You did, too. Or did you not realize precisely what you telegraphed to
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 08:50 PM
Jun 2016

us all?

Tarc

(10,472 posts)
47. "The Democratic Party got exactly the ending it deserved"
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 09:36 PM
Jun 2016

Yep, the voters voted; they didn't pick Bernie.

How 'bout that?

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
48. She is the establishment candidate. All of the money and media are in her favor.
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 10:22 PM
Jun 2016

Quite enlightening and revolting

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