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Wed Jun 8, 2016, 02:38 PM

Clinton May Take The Nomination But Sanders Has Won The Debate

He started at single digits in the polls and was widely dismissed as a “fringe” candidate. He has astounded even his supporters, winning more than 20 contests, 10 million votes and 1,500 pledged delegates, the most of any true insurgent in modern history. He has captured the support of young voters by record margins. And he did so less with personal charisma than with the power of his ideas and the force of the integrity demonstrated by spurning traditional deep-pocketed donors in favor of grass-roots fundraising.

Harvard researchers found that Americans between the ages of 18 and 29 have actually become more progressive over the course of the campaign. Sanders hasn’t merely won a seat at the table, he’s started a sea change in Democratic politics that the party will have to adjust to.


Even as Clinton turns her focus to Donald Trump, Sanders will play a major role over the next five months. At the convention, we will witness a powerful demonstration of the passion that Sanders represents. His allies will seek to ensure that the Democratic Party platform incorporates the fundamental reforms that he has championed — from the $15 minimum wage and Medicare-for-all, to tuition-free college and breaking up the banks, to rebuilding our infrastructure and getting serious about climate change. He will use his prime-time address to lay out the next stage in the political revolution, while showing that stopping Trump is vital to its progress.


While Sanders has already indicated he will endorse Clinton if she captures the nomination, neither he nor any leader can deliver the votes of his supporters. That challenge is Clinton’s. Sanders has already nudged Clinton to the left on key issues during the campaign, including trade policy and the minimum wage. The Democratic National Committee made one important concession last month by allowing Sanders to name five strong progressive allies to the platform committee (though the DNC also vetoed one Sanders pick, National Nurses United executive director RoseAnn DeMoro, on the strange grounds that it did not want labor leaders on the candidate’s lists).


Clinton’s challenge now is not only to gain Sanders’s support, but also to earn the enthusiasm of his voters. Sanders won young voters and Democratic-leaning independents by staggering margins. Clinton should not assume that the threat posed by Trump will suffice to get them to turn out for her in large numbers. She has to move from being the candidate of “No We Can’t” to one who offers real change to those in desperate need of it.


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Reply Clinton May Take The Nomination But Sanders Has Won The Debate (Original post)
ancianita Jun 2016 OP
calguy Jun 2016 #1
ancianita Jun 2016 #6
adigal Jun 2016 #19
highprincipleswork Jun 2016 #30
BlindTiresias Jun 2016 #2
larkrake Jun 2016 #12
geek tragedy Jun 2016 #3
PJMcK Jun 2016 #4
geek tragedy Jun 2016 #5
yodermon Jun 2016 #13
R B Garr Jun 2016 #7
tonyt53 Jun 2016 #8
ancianita Jun 2016 #11
Lord Magus Jun 2016 #17
larkrake Jun 2016 #20
ancianita Jun 2016 #44
tonyt53 Jun 2016 #21
adigal Jun 2016 #25
larkrake Jun 2016 #28
larkrake Jun 2016 #43
larkrake Jun 2016 #18
6chars Jun 2016 #35
larkrake Jun 2016 #39
adigal Jun 2016 #22
larkrake Jun 2016 #42
vintx Jun 2016 #9
LexVegas Jun 2016 #10
jcgoldie Jun 2016 #14
ancianita Jun 2016 #15
ancianita Jun 2016 #26
Sheepshank Jun 2016 #16
larkrake Jun 2016 #23
Mike__M Jun 2016 #24
Orsino Jun 2016 #27
LibDemAlways Jun 2016 #29
larkrake Jun 2016 #41
Doctor_J Jun 2016 #31
rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #32
ancianita Jun 2016 #37
6chars Jun 2016 #33
underthematrix Jun 2016 #34
ymetca Jun 2016 #36
ancianita Jun 2016 #38
larkrake Jun 2016 #40

Response to ancianita (Original post)

Wed Jun 8, 2016, 02:39 PM

1. Enjoy your moral victory

Now let's get together and Dump Trump.

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Response to calguy (Reply #1)

Wed Jun 8, 2016, 02:42 PM

6. I hear you. Just thought I'd balance out other threads of similar framing.

You're right.

It's still good to know that, despite the media blackout, some major news sources are giving thought and reporting the actual facts of why Sanders is staying for the long term, and why Obama and Clinton need him.

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Response to ancianita (Reply #6)

Wed Jun 8, 2016, 03:01 PM

19. And almost every story I've read or heard says that Sanders forced Clinton left

 

to places she likely wouldn't have gone on her own.

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Response to calguy (Reply #1)

Wed Jun 8, 2016, 03:16 PM

30. No, I'll enjoy the moral victory when it helps make the Democratic Party moral. Then we can both

 

presumably enjoy it, unless of course you are against moral victories and feel they all have to be immoral.

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Response to ancianita (Original post)

Wed Jun 8, 2016, 02:39 PM

2. Irrelevent

She will do as she likes regardless of the consequences.

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Response to BlindTiresias (Reply #2)

Wed Jun 8, 2016, 02:58 PM

12. sadly true, she has never listened in the past to reason

 

but the op is correct

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Response to ancianita (Original post)

Wed Jun 8, 2016, 02:40 PM

3. getting tired of the "Hillary may have won that little nomination thing, but" pieces

 

She won.

She won she won she won.

She won.

Yes, Sanders contributed to the debate and moved things in the correct direction.

But, she won.

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #3)

Wed Jun 8, 2016, 02:41 PM

4. You forgot

She won.

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Response to PJMcK (Reply #4)

Wed Jun 8, 2016, 02:42 PM

5. Oh, yeah, sorry.

 

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #3)

Wed Jun 8, 2016, 02:59 PM

13. yeah.

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Response to ancianita (Original post)

Wed Jun 8, 2016, 02:42 PM

7. Bill Clinton raised taxes on higher income tax brackets over 20 years ago.

Al Gore has been an active spokesperson for climate change for over 20 years.

Etc.

These are not new ideas.

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Response to ancianita (Original post)

Wed Jun 8, 2016, 02:44 PM

8. WRONG! If he had, he would have won the nomination, and yes it really is hers.

 

Bernie's talking points are actually all issues that Democrats have been working towards for years. The difference is, most of Bernie's supporters have never been been involved enough to understand that. And actually, numbers indicate otherwise about those independent voters.

The odd thing is that Hillary has been working on these issues since she was a college student. Bernie just opened his mouth about these issues a couple of years ago. Sanders will have little to say about what Hillary says and does.

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Response to tonyt53 (Reply #8)

Wed Jun 8, 2016, 02:54 PM

11. WRONG! 30 years. You don't know how involved Berners have been to understand that.

Most millennials have been working at progressive issues since before they had the national visibility of Bernie Sanders. And they will after.

Hillary worked as observer and helper. She never wrote or led major legislation that helped anyone but Schumer's 9/11 constituents in New York as her senior legislative leader.

It's really the Hillary people who know don't know what she's worked on. I've studied her record. A lot of help. Little else.

You don't know if Sanders will have little to say, since she's invited him, Obama's called him and the convention program validates his 30+ year debate.

What ignorant dismissal. No wonder you harden your in-party opposition.

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Response to ancianita (Reply #11)

Wed Jun 8, 2016, 03:00 PM

17. And what legislation did Bernie write? Aside from renaming post offices I mean.

He's hardly been a leader during his time in Congress.

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Response to Lord Magus (Reply #17)

Wed Jun 8, 2016, 03:02 PM

20. obviously you dont do any research

 

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Response to larkrake (Reply #20)

Wed Jun 8, 2016, 04:05 PM

44. No? It's pretty clear you don't, either. And you don't use the shift key. Both are pretty easy.

Hillary's bills -- something historic -- signed into law:

1. S.3145 – Designated a portion of United States Route 20A, located in Orchard Park, New York, as the “Timothy J. Russert Highway”.
2. S.3613 – Designated the facility of the United States Postal Service located at 2951 New York Highway 43 in Averill Park, New York, as the “Major George Quamo Post Office Building”.
3. S.1241 – Kate Mullany National Historic Site Act

Bernie's bills signed into law:

1. S.885 The first of these renamed a post office in Vermont.
2. S.893 Increased compensation for disabled veterans and their families.

One fewer signed law for Bernie, a LOT more weight for veterans' benefits.

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Response to ancianita (Reply #11)

Wed Jun 8, 2016, 03:03 PM

21. Sander has always been a follower. Sure Hillary invited him. She has humility.

 

Yep, Obama has called him. On Sunday telling him that he sounds like a bitter person, then to ask him to come to the WH so he can tell him again to give it up and probably to ask him why he had such a low-class speech last night.

I too know what she has done. She has worked her ass off for years. She IS a Democrat.

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Response to tonyt53 (Reply #21)

Wed Jun 8, 2016, 03:04 PM

25. Bernie requested the meeting. And it's good to know what Obama said. Were you hiding

 

under the chair, eavesdropping, since you speak about what he said with such authority?

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Response to tonyt53 (Reply #21)

Wed Jun 8, 2016, 03:11 PM

28. in your dreams Tonyt.

 

Hillary didnt work her ass off for years, others worked their asses off to give her the election and prayed she would not keep placing her foot in her mouth too often. They all cleared the road for any obstruction. They did not plan on Bernie, but it is easy to switch his voters party affiliation, own the media and declare her the winner to destroy the CA turnout.

Corporations and wall st can do anything to rig elections. She is going to have to prove she is a democrat- I have not seen it in her past. She is a Goldwater girl at heart and actions

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Response to tonyt53 (Reply #21)

Wed Jun 8, 2016, 03:54 PM

43. A follower? Opposite in fact. Followers do not enter congress as an Indy

 

yake foot from mouth Tonyt, you just stepped in it

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Response to tonyt53 (Reply #8)

Wed Jun 8, 2016, 03:01 PM

18. you want more wars? free trade? poison water? That is what she protects and believes in

 

policy wise.

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Response to larkrake (Reply #18)

Wed Jun 8, 2016, 03:22 PM

35. Partially true

She is somewhat in favor of free trade, with some reasonable limitations. No, she does not want or believe in more wars or poison water. It is odd when people say things like that.

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Response to 6chars (Reply #35)

Wed Jun 8, 2016, 03:41 PM

39. she is a fracker and is for oil pipelines and definately is calling for forced removal of leaders

 

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Response to tonyt53 (Reply #8)

Wed Jun 8, 2016, 03:03 PM

22. What bull. Obama and Democrats have NOT been working for these ideas at all

 

No discussion of the poor. What about global warming and that Keystone Pipeline Obama and Hillary liked? Obama is promoting the TPP. Hillary and Obama both are very friendly with Wall Street. Hillary may talk the talk, but she hasn't walked the walk. Bernie has been pushing for the little guy for 40 years. How easily people change facts to fit their worldview.

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Response to tonyt53 (Reply #8)

Wed Jun 8, 2016, 03:53 PM

42. Hillary mentioned a few, but never followed through. Bernie brought it to the masses

 

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Response to ancianita (Original post)

Wed Jun 8, 2016, 02:48 PM

9. K&R

 

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Response to ancianita (Original post)

Wed Jun 8, 2016, 02:49 PM

10. ...

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Response to ancianita (Original post)

Wed Jun 8, 2016, 02:59 PM

14. Clinton DID take the nomination

FIFY

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Response to jcgoldie (Reply #14)

Wed Jun 8, 2016, 03:00 PM

15. Good grammatical correction here. Journalists should know this stuff.

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Response to jcgoldie (Reply #14)

Wed Jun 8, 2016, 03:06 PM

26. As an editor, in the article's spirit, I'd change the "may" to the more logical "might".

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Response to ancianita (Original post)

Wed Jun 8, 2016, 03:00 PM

16. Losing is the new winning shit again. Good grief. Nt

 

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Response to ancianita (Original post)

Wed Jun 8, 2016, 03:03 PM

23. yes, bernie is in the catbird's seat, he succeeded and did better than he dreamed he could

 

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Response to ancianita (Original post)

Wed Jun 8, 2016, 03:04 PM

24. "Earn the enthusiasm..."

Someone said something about "never, ever".

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Response to ancianita (Original post)

Wed Jun 8, 2016, 03:07 PM

27. The debate has really only just begun.

The movement which Sanders embodies could be dated back to Occupy, and in Sanders it has its first candidate of national prominence.

Sanders has "lost" the primary, but getting here is a victory in itself. The revolution is going to be televised, at least a little, at the convention. There is opportunity for big change, and by running, Sanders has given it a platform.

Inequality is growing, and therefore so is the movement. In the next election, and the one after, we will see it gain influence.

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Response to Orsino (Reply #27)

Wed Jun 8, 2016, 03:16 PM

29. Are you sure Sanders will be given any kind of

meaningful role at the convention? Knowing how the DNC operates, I can honestly see them giving him and his supporters 15 minutes at 3AM. No way does the party want to shine any kind of a spotlight on the only candidate who has the backs of the 99%.

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Response to LibDemAlways (Reply #29)

Wed Jun 8, 2016, 03:49 PM

41. they need his people desperately, but yeah, they could cut their own throats

 

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Response to ancianita (Original post)

Wed Jun 8, 2016, 03:16 PM

31. sort of. mrs Clinton will veer far to the right, beginning immediately

 

so while bernie energized millions of new and disenfranchised voters, there isn't anyone of note in the government or on the ballot to advance his vision.

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Response to ancianita (Original post)

Wed Jun 8, 2016, 03:18 PM

32. No he has not

 

He has reinforced the widespread view that the left is full of entitled privileged white people who don't believe in elcectoral democracy unless it goes their way. He went way past making any kind of point.

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Response to rjsquirrel (Reply #32)

Wed Jun 8, 2016, 03:29 PM

37. I'll give you a point for that. IF we knew that closed polls and irregularities were not a factor.

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Response to ancianita (Original post)

Wed Jun 8, 2016, 03:19 PM

33. He did a good job articulating the problem of wealth inequality

and concentration in this country, and all that results from it. That is what got him as far as he got, and that is an important message. The rest of what he had to say, a lot of it seemed just appended to check off boxes, was not as compelling to voters and he did not convince enough that he personally would be a good president.

But in the forum about whether or not there is too much wealth concentration in this country, Bernie's issue won the day. Hopefully that will bump the country toward action in the right direction on this issue.

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Response to ancianita (Original post)

Wed Jun 8, 2016, 03:20 PM

34. Some Sander's supporters will see the larger picture. Others will not.

That's the nature of politics.

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Response to ancianita (Original post)

Wed Jun 8, 2016, 03:23 PM

36. Trump is going to use every Sanders critique of Clinton

...and then some. And if he backs out of doing any debates with her, then it just becomes a feces throwing fight. Says Yoda, "Ugly it's going to be."

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Response to ymetca (Reply #36)

Wed Jun 8, 2016, 03:32 PM

38. He can't even articulate them -- except with a telepromptr -- he'll fail on his feet.

All Hill has to do is say, "Please proceed..." and he'll beat himself.

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Response to ymetca (Reply #36)

Wed Jun 8, 2016, 03:46 PM

40. Hillary wont bait

 

I think he will avoid debates, or drop out or the RNC will vote in someone who doesnt trigger as badly as Trump

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