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AzDar

(14,023 posts)
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 09:18 PM Jun 2016

Le Sigh: Hillary Admits Some Foundation Donations 'Slipped Through The Cracks'... (Politico)

Wherein Hillary ADMITS Money Influences Politicians:




The Clinton Foundation had “overwhelming disclosure” regarding its donations, Hillary Clinton said Wednesday, defending herself against Donald Trump’s latest attacks on the nonprofit while also acknowledging that “one or two instances” may have “slipped through the cracks.”
Trump on Tuesday accused the former secretary of state of turning the State Department into a private hedge fund, arguing that “the Russians, the Saudis and the Chinese all gave money to Bill and Hillary and got favorable treatment in return.”

Asked by CNN’s Anderson Cooper whether Bill Clinton would divest the Clinton Foundation should the former first lady win the White House, Hillary Clinton demurred.
“We’ll cross that bridge if and when we come to it, but let me just try to set the record straight. We had absolutely overwhelming disclosure,” she said. “Were there, you know, one or two instances that slipped through the cracks? Yes. But was the overwhelming amount of anything that anybody gave the foundation disclosed? Absolutely.”

(snip)

Pressed again on whether Bill Clinton would step down should Hillary Clinton become president, she refused to take a stance.

“But let me just point out that people give lots of money to presidential campaigns, don't they? They give lots of money to political parties as well so, you know, that is money that goes directly to support political activities of candidates,” she said. “Money that has been given to the foundation goes to support humanitarian work, and if people wanna influence anybody in office, I think they would choose the political route, and indeed the work of the foundation
really speaks for itself.”



http://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/hillary-clinton-foundation-donations-224092
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Le Sigh: Hillary Admits Some Foundation Donations 'Slipped Through The Cracks'... (Politico) (Original Post) AzDar Jun 2016 OP
Recycled garbage. How many times does this stuff have to be gone over and over and over and over boston bean Jun 2016 #1
He's "getting it out of his system" realmirage Jun 2016 #2
I am female, dear... AzDar Jun 2016 #25
Didn't you know? When we critique Hill we become male! senz Jun 2016 #38
and sexist, too! nt grasswire Jun 2016 #60
get it all out... realmirage Jun 2016 #44
We should never have to identity sex, gender, race, religion, national origin etc. just to discuss a merrily Jun 2016 #78
A post re: article published 06/08/16 06:27 PM EDT is hardly "recycled." pat_k Jun 2016 #6
Yes it is recycled garbage that was addressed, I believe years ago. boston bean Jun 2016 #7
She just said it today Matt_in_STL Jun 2016 #14
And she said it years ago. It was a nothing burger and explained fully. boston bean Jun 2016 #15
Illicit contributions are nothing? Matt_in_STL Jun 2016 #18
It was nothing and it was fully covered prior. I think you folks wishin and a hopin and a prayin boston bean Jun 2016 #19
It's "fully covered" I tell you! It's old news! Move on! reformist2 Jun 2016 #51
If they don't acknowledge, it... why, it's not THERE! Nothingburger! HerTurn!! Cheney Did it Too!! AzDar Jun 2016 #28
Like it or not, these things are going to keep coming up. progressoid Jun 2016 #34
And there still will be no "there" there ismnotwasm Jun 2016 #61
and an impeachment proceeding should she make it to the WH grasswire Jun 2016 #62
BULLSHIT. John Poet Jun 2016 #75
Mr. Comey's reviewing it in the here and now. senz Jun 2016 #39
Please link to Hillary addressing this "years"ago. I can't find that. tia Arazi Jun 2016 #100
My exact thoughts regarding the tip of an iceberg. nt GoneFishin Jun 2016 #24
First thing you said that isn't true creeksneakers2 Jun 2016 #36
This and this and this! Silver_Witch Jun 2016 #80
it's only just starting, Honey RazBerryBeret Jun 2016 #8
Good. We can all make them look like the fools they are once again. boston bean Jun 2016 #9
It Continues Because It IS The Damn TRUTH! CorporatistNation Jun 2016 #23
It continues because some people can't stand losing. Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #30
"Recycled garbage"-- gee, that kind of reminds me of John Poet Jun 2016 #76
How long will it take for her to come up with a better CanadaexPat Jun 2016 #86
She should never have made that admission berni_mccoy Jun 2016 #3
It was a rare moment of candor for Hillary, and what a damaging moment it was! reformist2 Jun 2016 #29
She's probably been under pressure recently. senz Jun 2016 #41
yeah, that was unusual grasswire Jun 2016 #64
Yup. "if people wanna influence anybody in office, I think they would choose the political route" thesquanderer Jun 2016 #4
to me that was worse than the "one or two slipped through the cracks" admission lakeguy Jun 2016 #82
key reason why the need 4 private server; this will be exposed amborin Jun 2016 #5
.... 840high Jun 2016 #13
^^This^^ farleftlib Jun 2016 #90
"But was the overwhelming amount of anything that anybody gave the foundation disclosed?Absolutely.” thesquanderer Jun 2016 #10
And snowden only released a few government secrets Doctor_J Jun 2016 #22
lol, it is so good senz Jun 2016 #43
You do realize there are no primaries left? KingFlorez Jun 2016 #11
You don't get it yet - Hillary may be forced to step aside. reformist2 Jun 2016 #31
That is not going to happen KingFlorez Jun 2016 #35
Tell it to Mr. Comey. senz Jun 2016 #45
"overwhelming" disclosure = significant failures to disclose amborin Jun 2016 #12
Le sigh Dem2 Jun 2016 #16
Coming from you? senz Jun 2016 #46
Doing the right thing is hard.... blackspade Jun 2016 #17
There's no money in it senz Jun 2016 #48
Just a quick note for any Hillary people who have a problem with the Politico source One Black Sheep Jun 2016 #20
They'll say whatever they need to say. senz Jun 2016 #49
Why are Sanders supporters still in attack mode? seabeyond Jun 2016 #21
Maybe because we actually do think Hillary is damaged goods? reformist2 Jun 2016 #32
I wish some money will slip through the cracks towards me. Ash_F Jun 2016 #26
Humanitarian work? Like in Haiti notadmblnd Jun 2016 #27
Executive hotels create jobs creeksneakers2 Jun 2016 #40
Yeah, they can sleep in ditches, cause they're poor they don't deserve housing. notadmblnd Jun 2016 #42
If they get jobs, they have much better chances to find housing creeksneakers2 Jun 2016 #53
How do you get a job when you have no where to wash yourself or clothes? notadmblnd Jun 2016 #56
They find a way until they get a paycheck creeksneakers2 Jun 2016 #59
Where, a mud puddle? notadmblnd Jun 2016 #68
I believe they have refugee camps creeksneakers2 Jun 2016 #69
There is no housing for them to rent or buy notadmblnd Jun 2016 #88
There have been efforts to provide more housing creeksneakers2 Jun 2016 #92
Hurricane was in 2010 and 750 housing unites in 6 1/2 years? notadmblnd Jun 2016 #98
The hotel wasn't built with donations creeksneakers2 Jun 2016 #103
It's all about the job creators! bonemachine Jun 2016 #63
Mainstream Democrats believe in capitalism creeksneakers2 Jun 2016 #65
wow grasswire Jun 2016 #81
What is 1990? creeksneakers2 Jun 2016 #105
Astonishing... AzDar Jun 2016 #73
Jobs that Hillary's State Department Made SURE Paid Less... AzDar Jun 2016 #74
That's not what your article says creeksneakers2 Jun 2016 #95
Are you fucking kidding? blackspade Jun 2016 #87
Homes create jobs when they are built creeksneakers2 Jun 2016 #106
I'm going to try and stop you now before you truly embarrass yourself. blackspade Jun 2016 #107
Who was talking about 1000s of homes? creeksneakers2 Jun 2016 #111
WTF? blackspade Jun 2016 #113
You are the one who doesn't care creeksneakers2 Jun 2016 #118
I guess that is your longwinded way of saying ... blackspade Jun 2016 #119
Have you ever been to a Lowe's or other home improvement store on the weekend? Lots of money 2cannan Jun 2016 #108
Nobody was going to buy anything from Lowes creeksneakers2 Jun 2016 #112
Jimmy Carter would have built housing for the poor, bvar22 Jun 2016 #94
The Clinton Foundation raise $30 million charity for Haiti. creeksneakers2 Jun 2016 #116
Well they also built a giagantic industrial complex senz Jun 2016 #50
Yep, those poor 1%-ers notadmblnd Jun 2016 #52
The Clintons are smart, they know how to find cheap labor. senz Jun 2016 #57
Cheap labor is abundant creeksneakers2 Jun 2016 #66
If I were a relief organization "helping" them after a devastating earthquake senz Jun 2016 #67
They did set up electicity creeksneakers2 Jun 2016 #71
I thought the Clinton Foundation was a charity? blackspade Jun 2016 #114
The electricity benefited the entire area creeksneakers2 Jun 2016 #117
Maybe you should read up on the situation in Haiti... blackspade Jun 2016 #120
The responses I'm getting from some of Hillary supporters in this thread is exposing these posters notadmblnd Jun 2016 #89
No shit. blackspade Jun 2016 #115
so it begins, the I didnt know" claims larkrake Jun 2016 #33
"...people give lots of money to presidential campaigns"? progressoid Jun 2016 #37
Rich people. Powerful organizations, too. Octafish Jun 2016 #72
Remember how she was going to fight to overturn cu and get money out of our democracy? Doctor_J Jun 2016 #47
She says what she needs to say. senz Jun 2016 #54
Well, you find that stuff in the sofa cushions from time to time jberryhill Jun 2016 #55
One could probably make a good living vacuuming those sofas. senz Jun 2016 #58
oh please. what is one or two things among friends. just a little oopsie. Hiraeth Jun 2016 #70
Priceless! nt Jack Bone Jun 2016 #77
Triangulating as always... Silver_Witch Jun 2016 #79
They aren't just going after the foundation. n/t Skwmom Jun 2016 #83
thanks Hillary supporters! ibegurpard Jun 2016 #84
“Money that has been given to the foundation goes to support humanitarian work ..." Scuba Jun 2016 #85
yet another very damning article; first a trickle, soon a flood amborin Jun 2016 #91
We now have a 4 year clusterfuck on our hands Ferd Berfel Jun 2016 #93
It was a mistake and I regret it. It was a mistake and I regret it. It was a mistake . . . Vinca Jun 2016 #96
The endless denials. At some point, you just have to get the cane out and yank her off the stage. reformist2 Jun 2016 #99
.....I don't recall.... peace13 Jun 2016 #101
...drip......drip.....drip....drip... 99Forever Jun 2016 #97
The Clinton System senz Jun 2016 #102
More of the same... kadaholo Jun 2016 #104
Recommended for exposure panader0 Jun 2016 #109
Yeah it happens, candidates get money from the kkk MyNameGoesHere Jun 2016 #110

boston bean

(36,220 posts)
1. Recycled garbage. How many times does this stuff have to be gone over and over and over and over
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 09:19 PM
Jun 2016

and over and over and over and over.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
78. We should never have to identity sex, gender, race, religion, national origin etc. just to discuss a
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 01:45 AM
Jun 2016

legitimate political issue. We sometimes feel we have to defend ourselves by identifying things about ourselves because of broad negative assumptions about different sexes, orientations, races, etc., aka one form of bigotry or another. Fsck that.

pat_k

(9,313 posts)
6. A post re: article published 06/08/16 06:27 PM EDT is hardly "recycled."
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 09:29 PM
Jun 2016

And this is the first I've heard of an admission to "one or two" illicit contributions. (And when a career politician admits there have been "one or two instances" of some sort of bad conduct, you can bet there are actually a lot more than "one or two instances.&quot

She's our presumptive nominee, but reality is what it is. She's a problematic candidate.

 

Matt_in_STL

(1,446 posts)
18. Illicit contributions are nothing?
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 09:38 PM
Jun 2016

If this was a Republican we would be beating this into the ground. How far we've come. This GE is going to be cringe worthy.

boston bean

(36,220 posts)
19. It was nothing and it was fully covered prior. I think you folks wishin and a hopin and a prayin
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 09:39 PM
Jun 2016

for some shoe to drop, are gonna be mighty disappointed.

 

AzDar

(14,023 posts)
28. If they don't acknowledge, it... why, it's not THERE! Nothingburger! HerTurn!! Cheney Did it Too!!
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 10:17 PM
Jun 2016

VAST RIGHTWING CONSPIRACY!!!! GAH!!










progressoid

(49,964 posts)
34. Like it or not, these things are going to keep coming up.
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 10:27 PM
Jun 2016

It's not like you didn't know this. Expect even more until November.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
62. and an impeachment proceeding should she make it to the WH
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 11:16 PM
Jun 2016

years and years of Clinton drama.

I've had enough.

creeksneakers2

(7,473 posts)
36. First thing you said that isn't true
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 10:29 PM
Jun 2016

The word "illicit" does not appear in the article because there were no "illicit" donations. There were a small number that weren't immediately disclosed. Remember, very few not for profits disclose their donors at all.

The second thing you said that isn't true is that there must be many more. The entire foundation has been audited and investigated zealously. If there were any big cover ups left they would have been found.

The Clintons are doing a wonderful thing for the world and its sickening that their enemies can't admit that so they use unfounded smears like "slush fund." The Clintons haven't made a dime off any of this and the foundation is not a slush fund.

CorporatistNation

(2,546 posts)
23. It Continues Because It IS The Damn TRUTH!
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 10:05 PM
Jun 2016

Truth is a bothersome issue for some people... "who aspire to high places... "

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
41. She's probably been under pressure recently.
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 10:37 PM
Jun 2016

Apparently James Comey comes down very hard on those who lie to him over the course of an investigation. She would know that.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
64. yeah, that was unusual
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 11:18 PM
Jun 2016

I noticed the other night that she has to say "uh" with every other word when she is asked a direct question that she may want to avoid.

thesquanderer

(11,982 posts)
4. Yup. "if people wanna influence anybody in office, I think they would choose the political route"
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 09:26 PM
Jun 2016

IOW, Bernie was right.

lakeguy

(1,640 posts)
82. to me that was worse than the "one or two slipped through the cracks" admission
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 03:00 AM
Jun 2016

basically admitting she can be bought, just not the way the interviewer was implying. i don't put that squarely on clinton though, the entire political system is broken.

 

farleftlib

(2,125 posts)
90. ^^This^^
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 09:18 AM
Jun 2016

She hung an "Open for Business" sign when she was SoS and now she has some splainin' to do.

thesquanderer

(11,982 posts)
10. "But was the overwhelming amount of anything that anybody gave the foundation disclosed?Absolutely.”
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 09:33 PM
Jun 2016

This goes right along with talking about all the emails she DID turn over, all the ones that WERE properly backed up (if sent to or from a .gov address)... Is there anything Hillary can do completely right? "Hey, I know the two towers came down, but the other 99% of the buildings in Manhattan were fine."

KingFlorez

(12,689 posts)
11. You do realize there are no primaries left?
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 09:33 PM
Jun 2016

Sanders is not going to close the gap in DC, because there aren't enough delegates. He's not going to flip the superdelegates. He will never be President. These everyday smoking guns are tired and most people are sick of it.

KingFlorez

(12,689 posts)
35. That is not going to happen
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 10:28 PM
Jun 2016

And even if it did, which it won't, it still won't erase the massive vote deficit that Sanders has in the primary. He lost and nothing is ever going to change that.

I'm more happy that Sanders lost than I am that Clinton won.

One Black Sheep

(458 posts)
20. Just a quick note for any Hillary people who have a problem with the Politico source
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 09:41 PM
Jun 2016

Hillary fans have been posting an article that was gossipy, and very critical of Bernie and his campaign structure numerous times from politico over the past day, so...keep that in mind, Hillary people have seemed to love politico for the past day or so...

reformist2

(9,841 posts)
32. Maybe because we actually do think Hillary is damaged goods?
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 10:24 PM
Jun 2016

You guys should have taken these allegations seriously, instead of laughing them off.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
27. Humanitarian work? Like in Haiti
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 10:17 PM
Jun 2016

where it was used to build exclusive hotels for the 1% instead of housing for the poor? That sort of humanitarian aid?

Those poor, poor rich people. Such a humanitarian crisis-no place to stay when exploiting the poor people of that country.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
42. Yeah, they can sleep in ditches, cause they're poor they don't deserve housing.
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 10:38 PM
Jun 2016

You are aware that these people are not homeless because they are poor? They're homeless because the Island was struck by a hurricane and destroyed their homes.

But that's ok, the rich need their hotel.

creeksneakers2

(7,473 posts)
53. If they get jobs, they have much better chances to find housing
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 10:56 PM
Jun 2016

The money for the hotel was private. It was raised from individuals who wanted to make money. It didn't come out of anybody's housing money. If the plan was to build housing there wouldn't have been the money for it.

Rich people create jobs. That's how the world works. People don't get things only because they deserve them except for from the government. Don't impugn my ethics just because I don't live in a dream world.

I hope the rich need the hotel. That means people will keep their jobs.

By the way, it was an earthquake, not a hurricane.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
56. How do you get a job when you have no where to wash yourself or clothes?
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 11:03 PM
Jun 2016

Do you think the rich are going to tolerate dirty, smelly poor people working in their hotel? I think not?

creeksneakers2

(7,473 posts)
59. They find a way until they get a paycheck
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 11:08 PM
Jun 2016

You want to build them houses? Fine. Go build them houses. Where are you going to get the money?

creeksneakers2

(7,473 posts)
69. I believe they have refugee camps
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 11:59 PM
Jun 2016

They then escape from there. If there are people with money to pay for housing housing will be built.

You keep repeating that there is a problem, but offer no solution that makes sense. A billion people live in terrible poverty. Trade and capitalism is helping. Standards of living have grown dramatically in China. What is your solution? One that is practical and possible?

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
88. There is no housing for them to rent or buy
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 09:11 AM
Jun 2016

what part of that can't you understand? Or is it you just hate poor people and why do you think that is?

creeksneakers2

(7,473 posts)
92. There have been efforts to provide more housing
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 05:13 PM
Jun 2016

They've built 750 units so far and are planning more. From what I read, the 750 units didn't turn out that well. The Clintons arranged to buy 6500 units in Haiti but the firm they planned with turned out to be fraudulent. You call me a poor people hater with no reason. You still haven't explained with what the houses were to be built. Its easy to complain but difficult to accomplish.

Here are all the things the Clintons are doing in Haiti. Perhaps you can provide a link to all Bernie has done in Haiti?

https://www.clintonfoundation.org/our-work/clinton-foundation-haiti

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
98. Hurricane was in 2010 and 750 housing unites in 6 1/2 years?
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 06:53 PM
Jun 2016

I'll bet the hotel for the 1% is complete though. Housing was supposed to be built with donations from charity. The Clinton Foundation being one of the charities. Instead a hotel was built.

creeksneakers2

(7,473 posts)
65. Mainstream Democrats believe in capitalism
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 11:23 PM
Jun 2016

and recognize the need for investment and jobs. Only fringe socialists think we can just magically make everybody well off out of thin air.

creeksneakers2

(7,473 posts)
105. What is 1990?
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 10:56 PM
Jun 2016

Mainstream Democrats still support capitalism. Obama believes in capitalism and is even a free trader to boot. On May 28, 2016 Obama had an 82% approval rating among Democrats.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/obamas-approval-rating-just-hit-164400141.html

creeksneakers2

(7,473 posts)
95. That's not what your article says
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 05:24 PM
Jun 2016

"However, the cables do not contain conclusive evidence that the State Department actively pressured Haiti to block the increase nor do they prove that Clinton personally played a role.

We rate Camp’s claim Half True.

Update, April 21, 2016: After we published this fact-check, the State Department told us it had no public, official position in the Haitian minimum wage debate.

"The U.S. Department of State did not officially oppose or support the three-step proposed minimum wage increases in Haiti – in 2009, 2010, and 2012 – as this was an internal matter," a spokesperson said.

The State Department’s public stance does not alter the content of the memos, however. They show that U.S. Embassy officials in Haiti clearly opposed the wage increase."

US Embassy officials from 2008, Bush. Hillary had nothing to do with it.

The minimum wage in Haiti is now 200 gourds, so it do go up. It more than doubled. So they didn't "make sure paid less."

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
87. Are you fucking kidding?
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 08:52 AM
Jun 2016

Thousands of homes plus infrastructure doesn't create jobs?

Your comments and the ones that follow are soaked in white privilege and supremacy...

creeksneakers2

(7,473 posts)
106. Homes create jobs when they are built
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 11:00 PM
Jun 2016

After that they produce no income. The Clintons did build infrastructure. They set up electric.

If homes create income, why is it that people get upset when companies move overseas? They don't take the workers' homes along. Would the workers be OK?

None of this has anything to do with race or white privilege or supremacy.

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
107. I'm going to try and stop you now before you truly embarrass yourself.
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 11:49 AM
Jun 2016

We are not talking about a few homes, but thousands.
For each of those homes, there is infrastructure. More than just electric....
These kinds of construction jobs provide housing, income, safety, a boost to the local economy, etc....

Building a single hotel that provides a pittence to the local economy is by definition a case of white neoliberal supremacy.


creeksneakers2

(7,473 posts)
111. Who was talking about 1000s of homes?
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 11:22 PM
Jun 2016

The money for the hotel was private investment to make money. Nobody wanted to give away 1000s of houses. Did Bernie buy the houses for them?

Construction jobs only last until the construction is done.

That pittance was more than they had and more than anybody you know was going to give them. Maybe you can find some black paleoconservatives to finance all those houses.

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
113. WTF?
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 11:32 PM
Jun 2016

"Maybe you can find some black paleoconservatives to finance all those homes."

You're totally of the rails and don't even know it.
Or maybe you just don't give a fuck about the victims of disaster capitalism.

creeksneakers2

(7,473 posts)
118. You are the one who doesn't care
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 12:03 AM
Jun 2016

if poor people are unemployed. They aren't victims because they signed up for the jobs because they were better off than they were before the jobs. When people wind up better off they aren't victims.

I suppose you are another one of those uniquely virtuous progressives. You pretend you are the only one who cares and make up a fantasy world to match your self delusions.

2cannan

(344 posts)
108. Have you ever been to a Lowe's or other home improvement store on the weekend? Lots of money
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 12:45 PM
Jun 2016

exchanging hands there, not that it would be that way in Haiti but your statements about homes not creating jobs is ridiculous.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
94. Jimmy Carter would have built housing for the poor,
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 05:23 PM
Jun 2016

and also created jobs that way.
Of course, Jimmy Carter came from the "Old Democrats" who acknowledged that there were poor people.

With the kind of money flowing into the Clinton Foundation, especially the Donations for Guns program, you would think the Clinton Foundation could do BOTH.
Unfortunately, that is not how the Clintons or NeoLiberals roll. They are Randian Trickle Downer, like yourself.


Hillary Clinton Oversaw US Arms Deals to Clinton Foundation Donors

An investigation finds that countries that gave to the foundation saw an increase in State Department-approved arms sales.

In 2011, the State Department cleared an enormous arms deal: Led by Boeing, a consortium of American defense contractors would deliver $29 billion worth of advanced fighter jets to Saudi Arabia, despite concerns over the kingdom's troublesome human rights record. In the years before Hillary Clinton became secretary of state, Saudi Arabia had contributed $10 million to the Clinton Foundation, and just two months before the jet deal was finalized, Boeing donated $900,000 to the Clinton Foundation, according to an International Business Times investigation released Tuesday.

The Saudi transaction is just one example of nations and companies that had donated to the Clinton Foundation seeing an increase in arms deals while Hillary Clinton oversaw the State Department. IBT found that between October 2010 and September 2012, State approved $165 billion in commercial arms sales to 20 nations that had donated to the foundation, plus another $151 billion worth of Pentagon-brokered arms deals to 16 of those countries—a 143 percent increase over the same time frame under the Bush Administration. The sales boosted the military power of authoritarian regimes such as Qatar, Algeria, Kuwait, the United Arab Emirates, and Oman, which, like Saudi Arabia, had been criticized by the department for human rights abuses.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/05/hillary-clinton-foundation-state-arms-deals




creeksneakers2

(7,473 posts)
116. The Clinton Foundation raise $30 million charity for Haiti.
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 11:53 PM
Jun 2016

Here is a brief look at some things they did with it.

https://www.clintonfoundation.org/our-work/clinton-foundation-haiti

They did have a plan to buy 6500 units of housing but the man who said he would build the houses turned out to be a con artist.

Jimmy Carter had billions of dollars in pledges. Last I found he wasn't able to collect them all. I can't find anything specific after 2014 but here's from wikipedia:

"Habitat has reached numerous milestones after the earthquake including over 155 houses as well as another 100 houses planned to be built starting 23 November of this year. Aside from direct building of housing, more than 4,000 families received transitional or upgraded shelters, more than 350 houses were repaired and rehabilitated, more than 24,500 emergency shelter kits were distributed, and more than 12,000 damage assessments were conducted (Habitat For Humanity International). During this time, an entire community was transformed and lives were changed. More than 4,450 Haiti citizens were trained in construction techniques, financial literacy, disaster risk reduction and business development, which resulted in job opportunities for over 700 Haitians (Habitat For Humanity International)"

In all, Carter produced 605 houses but he also produced 2100 jobs. Carter also saw the importance of jobs. What Carter did was great. Both efforts were great and helped the Haitians.

In addition to the $30 million the Clintons were able to get for charity, they raised $120 million in private investment capital. That money wasn't for giving away houses. That money was raised to make money, and its provided over 5000 jobs.


The donation /weapons deal accusation is wrong

Mother Jones got that from an International Business Times story that was full of holes.

First we have that Saudi Arabia did not donate while Hillary was secretary. They did before but no quid pro quo was possible because it wasn't known that she'd be secretary.

Arms deals are extremely complex and take up to seven years to complete. Most of the work is carried out under the Pentagon, not the State Department. You couldn't just sell one.

The Saudi Arms deal was a major initiative of the entire administration. It started under Bush but was expanded under Obama for two major reasons. First, it was expected to produce 50,000 or 75,000 jobs. This was at a time when the 2008 crash left the country with high unemployment and the arms jobs were among the few that could be produced. The administration also wanted to build a barrier to Iran. The Saudi deal was the largest arms sale ever. It was inconceivable that Hillary wouldn't approve it. Tying the approval to donations to a foundation the Clintons got no direct compensation from is far fetched. Its like a whole city being flooded by a hurricane and somebody saying the flood was caused by someone letting their faucet drip.

IBT found that countries that did not donate also saw an 80% increase in arms sales. That was because we needed the jobs. IBT shows a chart with donors getting bigger increases. But all those countries with the huge increases were all Saudi allies from the Gulf Cooperation Council. They were part of the same initiative to build the wall against Iran. What IBT tries to make look like a pattern is just a single initiative, that went all the way to the top, above Hillary.

The fact that Hillary criticized those countries shows she wasn't bought off, not that she approved the arms deal for any other reason than policy.

IBT tried to make the deal suspicious because the sales were made to Saudi despite their horrible human rights record. We've been making arms deals with Saudi for decades despite their record. They are our best customer.

IBT also tried to question the deal because they said Israel opposed it. That was misleading at best and a lie at worst. While Israel at first made tactical objections to the deal, the weapons systems they were most concerned about were eliminated from the deal. Israel was then promised weapons that were more sophisticated than the ones the Saudis got. Israel's objections were dropped before the deal was even announced and sent to Congress.

IBT also tried to cast suspicion by saying that a defense contractor made a large donation just before the deal was finalized. But the deal was already sent to Congress with Hillary's backing a year before that. Hillary couldn't have possibly approved because of the donation because she'd already backed the deal.

The idea that the foundation is corrupt originates with the right wing. It makes no sense, because the Clintons got no income from the foundation. In fact, $15 million that they raised giving speeches was turned over to the foundation. Why would they commit crimes when there was nothing in it for them?

People who hate the Clintons just can't stand the truth, that the Clintons did something wonderful for the world based on their own benevolence. They are great people, not the monsters the Clinton haters pretend they are.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
50. Well they also built a giagantic industrial complex
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 10:50 PM
Jun 2016

where locals could make 62 cents an hour and go home at night to a tent city.

It made a lot of money for some famous brands, though. The Clintons keep their friends happy.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
52. Yep, those poor 1%-ers
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 10:53 PM
Jun 2016

Why, with the high cost of doing business there, one has to wonder if it's really worth it.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
57. The Clintons are smart, they know how to find cheap labor.
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 11:03 PM
Jun 2016

Makes them popular with the wealthy set.

creeksneakers2

(7,473 posts)
66. Cheap labor is abundant
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 11:25 PM
Jun 2016

People would rather work for a little something than not work at all, which is the alternative you would force upon them if you could.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
67. If I were a relief organization "helping" them after a devastating earthquake
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 11:30 PM
Jun 2016

I'd probably help rebuild their houses and get a decent infrastructure underway.

Oh, I forgot to mention that the Clinton Foundation operatives had to force several hundred farmers off the agriculturally rich land on which the industrial complex was built.

creeksneakers2

(7,473 posts)
71. They did set up electicity
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 12:04 AM
Jun 2016

Hundreds moved but thousands have jobs now. I doubt those farmers were getting rich.

The money for the hotel and other developments was private. Much of it came from people looking for a return. If it weren't for the return, there wouldn't have been much of the money. Giving away money sounds great but where are you going to get the money to give away from?

What would the people in the houses do if they had no jobs?

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
114. I thought the Clinton Foundation was a charity?
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 11:36 PM
Jun 2016

And an electrical grid that services a hotel and an industrial complex doesn't benefit those that have no homes.

Could your posts be anymore elitist and tone deaf to the plight of the Haitian people?

creeksneakers2

(7,473 posts)
117. The electricity benefited the entire area
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 11:58 PM
Jun 2016

Tone deaf and elitist is believing poor people don't need jobs. Elitist is believing the only way to help people is to give them free stuff. Those people wanted jobs or they wouldn't have applied for them.

The Clinton foundation is a charity. They spend money creating economic opportunities for those who have none. Perhaps you think those folks shouldn't have jobs unless nobody makes money off it? Dream on!

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
89. The responses I'm getting from some of Hillary supporters in this thread is exposing these posters
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 09:15 AM
Jun 2016

as the racist bigots they are.

 

Silver_Witch

(1,820 posts)
79. Triangulating as always...
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 01:47 AM
Jun 2016

No straight answers...just pointing hey look over there!!! Nothing to see folks. Move along.

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
85. “Money that has been given to the foundation goes to support humanitarian work ..."
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 06:57 AM
Jun 2016
http://www.ocregister.com/articles/clintons-659698-foundation-clinton.html


However, in a rare feat of balanced journalism, the New York Times did ask some questions. The paper looked into the nefarious activities of the Clinton Foundation and came up with instances of influence peddling on a grand scale. The Times used the upcoming book “Clinton Cash,” by Peter Schweizer as a road map to determine that, while Hillary was secretary of state, the Clintons got money when she approved the sale of important U.S. uranium reserves to seedy foreigners, including Russia (read Vladimir Putin). Largely unaccounted for, the money flowed to the Clinton Foundation, with $500,000 going to Bill Clinton for a one-hour speech.

reformist2

(9,841 posts)
99. The endless denials. At some point, you just have to get the cane out and yank her off the stage.
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 07:06 PM
Jun 2016

As a famous person who shall remain nameless often says, she's a disaster.
 

peace13

(11,076 posts)
101. .....I don't recall....
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 07:17 PM
Jun 2016

I did not have sex with that dollar bill. Oh, sorry, did I go too far! : )

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
102. The Clinton System
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 09:50 PM
Jun 2016
Further research done by Sirota and Perez of International Business Times and based on US government and Clinton Foundation data shows that during her term the State Department authorized $165 billion in commercial arms sales to twenty nations that had given money to the Clinton Foundation. These include the governments of Saudi Arabia, Oman, Qatar, Algeria, Kuwait and the United Arab Emirates, all of whose records on human rights had been criticized by the State Department itself. During Hillary Clinton’s years as secretary of state, arms sales to the countries that donated to the Clinton Foundation ran at nearly double the value of sales to the same nations during George W. Bush’s second term. There was also an additional $151 billion worth of armaments sold to sixteen nations that had donated funds to the Clinton Foundation; these were deals organized by the Pentagon but which could only be completed with Hillary Clinton’s authorization as secretary of state. They were worth nearly one and a half times the value of equivalent sales during Bush’s second term.

Among the most important, and lucrative, business friendships the Clintons have formed through the Clinton Foundation and the Clinton Global Initiatives has been that with Canadian energy billionaire Frank Giustra. A major donor to the foundation for many years, Giustra became a member of its board and since 2007 has been co-sponsor of the Clinton Giustra Sustainable Growth Initiative, or CGGI. In turn, Bill Clinton’s political influence and personal contacts with foreign heads of state have been crucial to Giustra’s international business interests.


http://www.nybooks.com/daily/2016/01/30/clinton-system-donor-machine-2016-election/

Long, interesting book review.

kadaholo

(304 posts)
104. More of the same...
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 10:40 PM
Jun 2016

...still astounds me that our country would even consider a candidate for the White House who is under two separate investigations by the FBI. YIKES!

panader0

(25,816 posts)
109. Recommended for exposure
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 01:03 PM
Jun 2016

I can't understand why HRC enthusiasts don't see the seriousness of these investigations.
I know many are just so eager to have a woman as president--hell, so am I. But when the
investigations are done, HRC may turn out to be a huge embarrassment.

 

MyNameGoesHere

(7,638 posts)
110. Yeah it happens, candidates get money from the kkk
Fri Jun 10, 2016, 01:17 PM
Jun 2016

Hate groups etc. They find it and return. Shit happens

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