2016 Postmortem
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Wherein Hillary ADMITS Money Influences Politicians:The Clinton Foundation had overwhelming disclosure regarding its donations, Hillary Clinton said Wednesday, defending herself against Donald Trumps latest attacks on the nonprofit while also acknowledging that one or two instances may have slipped through the cracks.
Trump on Tuesday accused the former secretary of state of turning the State Department into a private hedge fund, arguing that the Russians, the Saudis and the Chinese all gave money to Bill and Hillary and got favorable treatment in return.
Asked by CNNs Anderson Cooper whether Bill Clinton would divest the Clinton Foundation should the former first lady win the White House, Hillary Clinton demurred.
Well cross that bridge if and when we come to it, but let me just try to set the record straight. We had absolutely overwhelming disclosure, she said. Were there, you know, one or two instances that slipped through the cracks? Yes. But was the overwhelming amount of anything that anybody gave the foundation disclosed? Absolutely.
(snip)
Pressed again on whether Bill Clinton would step down should Hillary Clinton become president, she refused to take a stance.
But let me just point out that people give lots of money to presidential campaigns, don't they? They give lots of money to political parties as well so, you know, that is money that goes directly to support political activities of candidates, she said. Money that has been given to the foundation goes to support humanitarian work, and if people wanna influence anybody in office, I think they would choose the political route, and indeed the work of the foundation
really speaks for itself.
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/hillary-clinton-foundation-donations-224092
boston bean
(36,220 posts)and over and over and over and over.
realmirage
(2,117 posts)AzDar
(14,023 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)grasswire
(50,130 posts)realmirage
(2,117 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)legitimate political issue. We sometimes feel we have to defend ourselves by identifying things about ourselves because of broad negative assumptions about different sexes, orientations, races, etc., aka one form of bigotry or another. Fsck that.
pat_k
(9,313 posts)And this is the first I've heard of an admission to "one or two" illicit contributions. (And when a career politician admits there have been "one or two instances" of some sort of bad conduct, you can bet there are actually a lot more than "one or two instances."
She's our presumptive nominee, but reality is what it is. She's a problematic candidate.
boston bean
(36,220 posts)Matt_in_STL
(1,446 posts)Can't be recycled from years ago.
boston bean
(36,220 posts)Matt_in_STL
(1,446 posts)If this was a Republican we would be beating this into the ground. How far we've come. This GE is going to be cringe worthy.
boston bean
(36,220 posts)for some shoe to drop, are gonna be mighty disappointed.
reformist2
(9,841 posts)All nonsense. We've heard it all before.
AzDar
(14,023 posts)VAST RIGHTWING CONSPIRACY!!!! GAH!!
progressoid
(49,964 posts)It's not like you didn't know this. Expect even more until November.
ismnotwasm
(41,974 posts)grasswire
(50,130 posts)years and years of Clinton drama.
I've had enough.
John Poet
(2,510 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)Arazi
(6,829 posts)GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)creeksneakers2
(7,473 posts)The word "illicit" does not appear in the article because there were no "illicit" donations. There were a small number that weren't immediately disclosed. Remember, very few not for profits disclose their donors at all.
The second thing you said that isn't true is that there must be many more. The entire foundation has been audited and investigated zealously. If there were any big cover ups left they would have been found.
The Clintons are doing a wonderful thing for the world and its sickening that their enemies can't admit that so they use unfounded smears like "slush fund." The Clintons haven't made a dime off any of this and the foundation is not a slush fund.
Silver_Witch
(1,820 posts)RazBerryBeret
(3,075 posts)the GOP will be relentless about this and much more. buckle up.
boston bean
(36,220 posts)Wouldn't you agree?
CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)Truth is a bothersome issue for some people... "who aspire to high places... "
Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)John Poet
(2,510 posts)the whole Hillary campaign !
CanadaexPat
(496 posts)response then, My bad!
berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)reformist2
(9,841 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)Apparently James Comey comes down very hard on those who lie to him over the course of an investigation. She would know that.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)I noticed the other night that she has to say "uh" with every other word when she is asked a direct question that she may want to avoid.
thesquanderer
(11,982 posts)IOW, Bernie was right.
lakeguy
(1,640 posts)basically admitting she can be bought, just not the way the interviewer was implying. i don't put that squarely on clinton though, the entire political system is broken.
amborin
(16,631 posts)I hope so.
farleftlib
(2,125 posts)She hung an "Open for Business" sign when she was SoS and now she has some splainin' to do.
thesquanderer
(11,982 posts)This goes right along with talking about all the emails she DID turn over, all the ones that WERE properly backed up (if sent to or from a .gov address)... Is there anything Hillary can do completely right? "Hey, I know the two towers came down, but the other 99% of the buildings in Manhattan were fine."
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)See? It's all better now.
senz
(11,945 posts)to see some Bernie supporters here in GD
Like cool water and fresh air.
KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)Sanders is not going to close the gap in DC, because there aren't enough delegates. He's not going to flip the superdelegates. He will never be President. These everyday smoking guns are tired and most people are sick of it.
reformist2
(9,841 posts)KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)And even if it did, which it won't, it still won't erase the massive vote deficit that Sanders has in the primary. He lost and nothing is ever going to change that.
I'm more happy that Sanders lost than I am that Clinton won.
senz
(11,945 posts)amborin
(16,631 posts)Some can't stop attack mode.
senz
(11,945 posts)blackspade
(10,056 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)so what's the point?
One Black Sheep
(458 posts)Hillary fans have been posting an article that was gossipy, and very critical of Bernie and his campaign structure numerous times from politico over the past day, so...keep that in mind, Hillary people have seemed to love politico for the past day or so...
senz
(11,945 posts)Rules don't apply.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)reformist2
(9,841 posts)You guys should have taken these allegations seriously, instead of laughing them off.
Ash_F
(5,861 posts)notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)where it was used to build exclusive hotels for the 1% instead of housing for the poor? That sort of humanitarian aid?
Those poor, poor rich people. Such a humanitarian crisis-no place to stay when exploiting the poor people of that country.
creeksneakers2
(7,473 posts)housing for the poor doesn't.
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)You are aware that these people are not homeless because they are poor? They're homeless because the Island was struck by a hurricane and destroyed their homes.
But that's ok, the rich need their hotel.
creeksneakers2
(7,473 posts)The money for the hotel was private. It was raised from individuals who wanted to make money. It didn't come out of anybody's housing money. If the plan was to build housing there wouldn't have been the money for it.
Rich people create jobs. That's how the world works. People don't get things only because they deserve them except for from the government. Don't impugn my ethics just because I don't live in a dream world.
I hope the rich need the hotel. That means people will keep their jobs.
By the way, it was an earthquake, not a hurricane.
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)Do you think the rich are going to tolerate dirty, smelly poor people working in their hotel? I think not?
creeksneakers2
(7,473 posts)You want to build them houses? Fine. Go build them houses. Where are you going to get the money?
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)And when they get a paycheck what do they do? There is no housing to spend it on.
creeksneakers2
(7,473 posts)They then escape from there. If there are people with money to pay for housing housing will be built.
You keep repeating that there is a problem, but offer no solution that makes sense. A billion people live in terrible poverty. Trade and capitalism is helping. Standards of living have grown dramatically in China. What is your solution? One that is practical and possible?
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)what part of that can't you understand? Or is it you just hate poor people and why do you think that is?
creeksneakers2
(7,473 posts)They've built 750 units so far and are planning more. From what I read, the 750 units didn't turn out that well. The Clintons arranged to buy 6500 units in Haiti but the firm they planned with turned out to be fraudulent. You call me a poor people hater with no reason. You still haven't explained with what the houses were to be built. Its easy to complain but difficult to accomplish.
Here are all the things the Clintons are doing in Haiti. Perhaps you can provide a link to all Bernie has done in Haiti?
https://www.clintonfoundation.org/our-work/clinton-foundation-haiti
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)I'll bet the hotel for the 1% is complete though. Housing was supposed to be built with donations from charity. The Clinton Foundation being one of the charities. Instead a hotel was built.
creeksneakers2
(7,473 posts)bonemachine
(757 posts)Did I make a wrong turn and end up at Free Republic instead of DU?
creeksneakers2
(7,473 posts)and recognize the need for investment and jobs. Only fringe socialists think we can just magically make everybody well off out of thin air.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)time to study up. That's so 1990.
creeksneakers2
(7,473 posts)Mainstream Democrats still support capitalism. Obama believes in capitalism and is even a free trader to boot. On May 28, 2016 Obama had an 82% approval rating among Democrats.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/obamas-approval-rating-just-hit-164400141.html
AzDar
(14,023 posts)AzDar
(14,023 posts)creeksneakers2
(7,473 posts)"However, the cables do not contain conclusive evidence that the State Department actively pressured Haiti to block the increase nor do they prove that Clinton personally played a role.
We rate Camps claim Half True.
Update, April 21, 2016: After we published this fact-check, the State Department told us it had no public, official position in the Haitian minimum wage debate.
"The U.S. Department of State did not officially oppose or support the three-step proposed minimum wage increases in Haiti in 2009, 2010, and 2012 as this was an internal matter," a spokesperson said.
The State Departments public stance does not alter the content of the memos, however. They show that U.S. Embassy officials in Haiti clearly opposed the wage increase."
US Embassy officials from 2008, Bush. Hillary had nothing to do with it.
The minimum wage in Haiti is now 200 gourds, so it do go up. It more than doubled. So they didn't "make sure paid less."
blackspade
(10,056 posts)Thousands of homes plus infrastructure doesn't create jobs?
Your comments and the ones that follow are soaked in white privilege and supremacy...
creeksneakers2
(7,473 posts)After that they produce no income. The Clintons did build infrastructure. They set up electric.
If homes create income, why is it that people get upset when companies move overseas? They don't take the workers' homes along. Would the workers be OK?
None of this has anything to do with race or white privilege or supremacy.
blackspade
(10,056 posts)We are not talking about a few homes, but thousands.
For each of those homes, there is infrastructure. More than just electric....
These kinds of construction jobs provide housing, income, safety, a boost to the local economy, etc....
Building a single hotel that provides a pittence to the local economy is by definition a case of white neoliberal supremacy.
creeksneakers2
(7,473 posts)The money for the hotel was private investment to make money. Nobody wanted to give away 1000s of houses. Did Bernie buy the houses for them?
Construction jobs only last until the construction is done.
That pittance was more than they had and more than anybody you know was going to give them. Maybe you can find some black paleoconservatives to finance all those houses.
blackspade
(10,056 posts)"Maybe you can find some black paleoconservatives to finance all those homes."
You're totally of the rails and don't even know it.
Or maybe you just don't give a fuck about the victims of disaster capitalism.
creeksneakers2
(7,473 posts)if poor people are unemployed. They aren't victims because they signed up for the jobs because they were better off than they were before the jobs. When people wind up better off they aren't victims.
I suppose you are another one of those uniquely virtuous progressives. You pretend you are the only one who cares and make up a fantasy world to match your self delusions.
blackspade
(10,056 posts)You don't know what the fuck you are talking about.
2cannan
(344 posts)exchanging hands there, not that it would be that way in Haiti but your statements about homes not creating jobs is ridiculous.
creeksneakers2
(7,473 posts)if they didn't have jobs.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)and also created jobs that way.
Of course, Jimmy Carter came from the "Old Democrats" who acknowledged that there were poor people.
With the kind of money flowing into the Clinton Foundation, especially the Donations for Guns program, you would think the Clinton Foundation could do BOTH.
Unfortunately, that is not how the Clintons or NeoLiberals roll. They are Randian Trickle Downer, like yourself.
Hillary Clinton Oversaw US Arms Deals to Clinton Foundation Donors
An investigation finds that countries that gave to the foundation saw an increase in State Department-approved arms sales.
In 2011, the State Department cleared an enormous arms deal: Led by Boeing, a consortium of American defense contractors would deliver $29 billion worth of advanced fighter jets to Saudi Arabia, despite concerns over the kingdom's troublesome human rights record. In the years before Hillary Clinton became secretary of state, Saudi Arabia had contributed $10 million to the Clinton Foundation, and just two months before the jet deal was finalized, Boeing donated $900,000 to the Clinton Foundation, according to an International Business Times investigation released Tuesday.
The Saudi transaction is just one example of nations and companies that had donated to the Clinton Foundation seeing an increase in arms deals while Hillary Clinton oversaw the State Department. IBT found that between October 2010 and September 2012, State approved $165 billion in commercial arms sales to 20 nations that had donated to the foundation, plus another $151 billion worth of Pentagon-brokered arms deals to 16 of those countriesa 143 percent increase over the same time frame under the Bush Administration. The sales boosted the military power of authoritarian regimes such as Qatar, Algeria, Kuwait, the United Arab Emirates, and Oman, which, like Saudi Arabia, had been criticized by the department for human rights abuses.
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/05/hillary-clinton-foundation-state-arms-deals
creeksneakers2
(7,473 posts)Here is a brief look at some things they did with it.
https://www.clintonfoundation.org/our-work/clinton-foundation-haiti
They did have a plan to buy 6500 units of housing but the man who said he would build the houses turned out to be a con artist.
Jimmy Carter had billions of dollars in pledges. Last I found he wasn't able to collect them all. I can't find anything specific after 2014 but here's from wikipedia:
"Habitat has reached numerous milestones after the earthquake including over 155 houses as well as another 100 houses planned to be built starting 23 November of this year. Aside from direct building of housing, more than 4,000 families received transitional or upgraded shelters, more than 350 houses were repaired and rehabilitated, more than 24,500 emergency shelter kits were distributed, and more than 12,000 damage assessments were conducted (Habitat For Humanity International). During this time, an entire community was transformed and lives were changed. More than 4,450 Haiti citizens were trained in construction techniques, financial literacy, disaster risk reduction and business development, which resulted in job opportunities for over 700 Haitians (Habitat For Humanity International)"
In all, Carter produced 605 houses but he also produced 2100 jobs. Carter also saw the importance of jobs. What Carter did was great. Both efforts were great and helped the Haitians.
In addition to the $30 million the Clintons were able to get for charity, they raised $120 million in private investment capital. That money wasn't for giving away houses. That money was raised to make money, and its provided over 5000 jobs.
The donation /weapons deal accusation is wrong
Mother Jones got that from an International Business Times story that was full of holes.
First we have that Saudi Arabia did not donate while Hillary was secretary. They did before but no quid pro quo was possible because it wasn't known that she'd be secretary.
Arms deals are extremely complex and take up to seven years to complete. Most of the work is carried out under the Pentagon, not the State Department. You couldn't just sell one.
The Saudi Arms deal was a major initiative of the entire administration. It started under Bush but was expanded under Obama for two major reasons. First, it was expected to produce 50,000 or 75,000 jobs. This was at a time when the 2008 crash left the country with high unemployment and the arms jobs were among the few that could be produced. The administration also wanted to build a barrier to Iran. The Saudi deal was the largest arms sale ever. It was inconceivable that Hillary wouldn't approve it. Tying the approval to donations to a foundation the Clintons got no direct compensation from is far fetched. Its like a whole city being flooded by a hurricane and somebody saying the flood was caused by someone letting their faucet drip.
IBT found that countries that did not donate also saw an 80% increase in arms sales. That was because we needed the jobs. IBT shows a chart with donors getting bigger increases. But all those countries with the huge increases were all Saudi allies from the Gulf Cooperation Council. They were part of the same initiative to build the wall against Iran. What IBT tries to make look like a pattern is just a single initiative, that went all the way to the top, above Hillary.
The fact that Hillary criticized those countries shows she wasn't bought off, not that she approved the arms deal for any other reason than policy.
IBT tried to make the deal suspicious because the sales were made to Saudi despite their horrible human rights record. We've been making arms deals with Saudi for decades despite their record. They are our best customer.
IBT also tried to question the deal because they said Israel opposed it. That was misleading at best and a lie at worst. While Israel at first made tactical objections to the deal, the weapons systems they were most concerned about were eliminated from the deal. Israel was then promised weapons that were more sophisticated than the ones the Saudis got. Israel's objections were dropped before the deal was even announced and sent to Congress.
IBT also tried to cast suspicion by saying that a defense contractor made a large donation just before the deal was finalized. But the deal was already sent to Congress with Hillary's backing a year before that. Hillary couldn't have possibly approved because of the donation because she'd already backed the deal.
The idea that the foundation is corrupt originates with the right wing. It makes no sense, because the Clintons got no income from the foundation. In fact, $15 million that they raised giving speeches was turned over to the foundation. Why would they commit crimes when there was nothing in it for them?
People who hate the Clintons just can't stand the truth, that the Clintons did something wonderful for the world based on their own benevolence. They are great people, not the monsters the Clinton haters pretend they are.
senz
(11,945 posts)where locals could make 62 cents an hour and go home at night to a tent city.
It made a lot of money for some famous brands, though. The Clintons keep their friends happy.
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)Why, with the high cost of doing business there, one has to wonder if it's really worth it.
senz
(11,945 posts)Makes them popular with the wealthy set.
creeksneakers2
(7,473 posts)People would rather work for a little something than not work at all, which is the alternative you would force upon them if you could.
senz
(11,945 posts)I'd probably help rebuild their houses and get a decent infrastructure underway.
Oh, I forgot to mention that the Clinton Foundation operatives had to force several hundred farmers off the agriculturally rich land on which the industrial complex was built.
creeksneakers2
(7,473 posts)Hundreds moved but thousands have jobs now. I doubt those farmers were getting rich.
The money for the hotel and other developments was private. Much of it came from people looking for a return. If it weren't for the return, there wouldn't have been much of the money. Giving away money sounds great but where are you going to get the money to give away from?
What would the people in the houses do if they had no jobs?
blackspade
(10,056 posts)And an electrical grid that services a hotel and an industrial complex doesn't benefit those that have no homes.
Could your posts be anymore elitist and tone deaf to the plight of the Haitian people?
creeksneakers2
(7,473 posts)Tone deaf and elitist is believing poor people don't need jobs. Elitist is believing the only way to help people is to give them free stuff. Those people wanted jobs or they wouldn't have applied for them.
The Clinton foundation is a charity. They spend money creating economic opportunities for those who have none. Perhaps you think those folks shouldn't have jobs unless nobody makes money off it? Dream on!
blackspade
(10,056 posts)You sound clueless about this topic.
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)as the racist bigots they are.
blackspade
(10,056 posts)larkrake
(1,674 posts)progressoid
(49,964 posts)Not most of us regular people.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)I wonder which ones?
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)Hiraeth
(4,805 posts)Jack Bone
(2,023 posts)Silver_Witch
(1,820 posts)No straight answers...just pointing hey look over there!!! Nothing to see folks. Move along.
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)The upcoming electoral shit show is all on you.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)amborin
(16,631 posts)Ferd Berfel
(3,687 posts)I hope we survive it.
Vinca
(50,255 posts)reformist2
(9,841 posts)As a famous person who shall remain nameless often says, she's a disaster.
peace13
(11,076 posts)I did not have sex with that dollar bill. Oh, sorry, did I go too far! : )
99Forever
(14,524 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)Among the most important, and lucrative, business friendships the Clintons have formed through the Clinton Foundation and the Clinton Global Initiatives has been that with Canadian energy billionaire Frank Giustra. A major donor to the foundation for many years, Giustra became a member of its board and since 2007 has been co-sponsor of the Clinton Giustra Sustainable Growth Initiative, or CGGI. In turn, Bill Clintons political influence and personal contacts with foreign heads of state have been crucial to Giustras international business interests.
http://www.nybooks.com/daily/2016/01/30/clinton-system-donor-machine-2016-election/
Long, interesting book review.
kadaholo
(304 posts)...still astounds me that our country would even consider a candidate for the White House who is under two separate investigations by the FBI. YIKES!
panader0
(25,816 posts)I can't understand why HRC enthusiasts don't see the seriousness of these investigations.
I know many are just so eager to have a woman as president--hell, so am I. But when the
investigations are done, HRC may turn out to be a huge embarrassment.
MyNameGoesHere
(7,638 posts)Hate groups etc. They find it and return. Shit happens