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Fri Jun 10, 2016, 12:15 AM

 

Thank you to all AA, Latino, Native American, Asian-American, women and LGBTQ Bernie supporters.

People from those groups who have supported the Sanders campaign had a toughest time of us all in the last year. You were accused of being race, gender or orientation traitors. You were sometimes accused of not really being who you were. Yet you hung in to the end and you brought this country closer to transformation than we've ever been before.

True support is support under fire. You were not only under fire, but walking through the fire.

For all you have done, thanks.

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Reply Thank you to all AA, Latino, Native American, Asian-American, women and LGBTQ Bernie supporters. (Original post)
Ken Burch Jun 2016 OP
Scootaloo Jun 2016 #1
SwampG8r Jun 2016 #2
Ken Burch Jun 2016 #26
bigwillq Jun 2016 #3
qdouble Jun 2016 #4
gollygee Jun 2016 #5
bettyellen Jun 2016 #6
seabeyond Jun 2016 #15
oasis Jun 2016 #20
Number23 Jun 2016 #44
Post removed Jun 2016 #7
La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2016 #36
Number23 Jun 2016 #45
La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2016 #46
jonestonesusa Jun 2016 #54
Tarc Jun 2016 #8
Garrett78 Jun 2016 #58
NCTraveler Jun 2016 #9
oberliner Jun 2016 #10
Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #12
oberliner Jun 2016 #16
Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #18
oberliner Jun 2016 #21
NCTraveler Jun 2016 #11
Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #13
NCTraveler Jun 2016 #14
Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #17
NCTraveler Jun 2016 #19
Ken Burch Jun 2016 #25
NCTraveler Jun 2016 #30
NurseJackie Jun 2016 #22
bettyellen Jun 2016 #23
Ken Burch Jun 2016 #24
lunamagica Jun 2016 #31
Ken Burch Jun 2016 #33
azurnoir Jun 2016 #60
DemocraticWing Jun 2016 #27
theboss Jun 2016 #28
azmom Jun 2016 #29
La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2016 #37
azmom Jun 2016 #39
La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2016 #40
Juicy_Bellows Jun 2016 #32
Ken Burch Jun 2016 #34
riderinthestorm Jun 2016 #35
La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2016 #38
PeaceNikki Jun 2016 #41
Ken Burch Jun 2016 #42
La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2016 #43
Ken Burch Jun 2016 #47
La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2016 #48
Ken Burch Jun 2016 #49
PeaceNikki Jun 2016 #50
riderinthestorm Jun 2016 #53
La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2016 #51
azurnoir Jun 2016 #61
JI7 Jun 2016 #52
Number23 Jun 2016 #55
La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2016 #56
insta8er Jun 2016 #57
Betty Karlson Jun 2016 #59
noiretextatique Jun 2016 #62

Response to Ken Burch (Original post)

Fri Jun 10, 2016, 12:20 AM

1. Seconded all the way through

 

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Response to Ken Burch (Original post)

Fri Jun 10, 2016, 07:17 AM

2. The attempt to hide or steal my identity as a.native

Will never be forgotten.

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Response to SwampG8r (Reply #2)

Fri Jun 10, 2016, 03:39 PM

26. Indeed. You never deserved it. n/t.

 

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Response to Ken Burch (Original post)

Fri Jun 10, 2016, 07:21 AM

3. K and R

 



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Response to Ken Burch (Original post)

Fri Jun 10, 2016, 07:23 AM

4. I've never seen anybody accuse minorities who support Sanders as being "race traitors."

If it did happen, I'm sure it's some very isolated incidents and not a common occurrence. I'm sure you may get lambasted for being a black or latino Trump supporter, but Bernie? What would even be the argument?

I think this OP is grasping at straws.

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Response to qdouble (Reply #4)

Fri Jun 10, 2016, 07:25 AM

5. I've never seen that either nt

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Response to qdouble (Reply #4)

Fri Jun 10, 2016, 08:15 AM

6. Never saw it. Saw people being accused of calling others racists when they did not.....

 

Again and again I saw that lie here, and it's still won't repeated.

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #6)

Fri Jun 10, 2016, 09:10 AM

15. And yet Boston you get the hide with honest to god facts. Op creates false accusations and it stands

 

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #15)

Fri Jun 10, 2016, 09:47 AM

20. +1

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #15)

Fri Jun 10, 2016, 08:19 PM

44. Nailed it. I saw this OP yesterday and laughed my ass off. It could not have been more obvious

and reeking in its desperate attempts at crap stirring.

There's been alot of this "minority Sanders supporters caught hell from other minorities" stuff from white people here. And when you spend five seconds, you see that not only did this very, very rarely ever happen but that in almost every instance the minority supporter decided to use the same bullshit, ass backwards language that white Sanders supporters use and got his ass handed to him by members of his/her own community.

You run into the AA forum and start screaming that black people who support Clinton, Sanders or anyone (other than Trump of course) are "traitors" to their race, and are stupid/ignorant/have slave mentalities and you'll get your ass handed to you and will probably be blocked from the forum too. In the entirety of the last year, I've seen that happen maybe five times and every time, that black person got their ass handed to them. You want to be full of hate and using the same idiotic invective that racists use against your own people, go somewhere on DU where that shit is allowed. We have one rule in the AA forum and that's respect black people and our opinions, history and culture. If you can't do that, get the fuck out, regardless of your skin color.

That's the way things work.

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Response to qdouble (Reply #4)

Fri Jun 10, 2016, 06:56 PM

36. Me either

 

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Reply #36)

Fri Jun 10, 2016, 08:20 PM

45. I just want to high five you for your post that got locked

and I also want to high five Boston Bean's post in this thread that was hidden too.

It's interesting to see the number of hosts and regulars in the AA forum that are like "I never once saw anyone do what the OP is saying." That's all that needs to be said.

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Response to Number23 (Reply #45)

Fri Jun 10, 2016, 08:21 PM

46. thanks. I think race traitor is a terrible accusation that is hardly ever just thrown around by POC

 

to other POC. so i was pretty sure it had not happened. turns out i was right.

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Response to qdouble (Reply #4)

Fri Jun 10, 2016, 10:17 PM

54. The particular term race traitor wasn't used.

Snark and groupthink from the usual suspects continues though even onto this thread. But Bernie made us white, so what do we know!

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Response to Ken Burch (Original post)

Fri Jun 10, 2016, 08:31 AM

8. Setting up strawmen to knock down doesn't advance your message very far

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Response to Tarc (Reply #8)

Sat Jun 11, 2016, 01:54 AM

58. The OP must not be referring to DU.

Because I didn't see anything like the OP describes. I suppose an example or two could be pointed to (one can always find an example of most anything), but it certainly wasn't widespread.

Then again, DU is littered with straw man arguments.

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Response to Ken Burch (Original post)

Fri Jun 10, 2016, 08:38 AM

9. Excellent job by both of our candidates...

 

For consistently speaking out about inequality and a progressive path forward.


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Response to Ken Burch (Original post)

Fri Jun 10, 2016, 08:40 AM

10. Orientation traitors?

 

That's a new one.

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Response to oberliner (Reply #10)

Fri Jun 10, 2016, 09:01 AM

12. No it's not. Not at all.

 

What makes you think that?

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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #12)

Fri Jun 10, 2016, 09:11 AM

16. Never heard such a phrase

 

Doesn't seem to come up with many hits on Google.

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Response to oberliner (Reply #16)

Fri Jun 10, 2016, 09:30 AM

18. Google 'Roy Cohn' and learn about the real deal.

 

There are such persons in reality, very obviously. Every closeted politician who has ever voted against his or her own people's rights or who speaks against our rights would in fact be a traitor to the community, no? Yes.

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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #18)

Fri Jun 10, 2016, 10:26 AM

21. OK

 

I'll read up on the topic.

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Response to Ken Burch (Original post)

Fri Jun 10, 2016, 08:58 AM

11. Did you see how many rec this got.

 

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Response to NCTraveler (Reply #11)

Fri Jun 10, 2016, 09:06 AM

13. Actually you make Ken's point. That thread is chock full of myself and other Sanders supporters

 

totally condemning that OP and yet I can't count the number of times that OP has been hung around the necks of Sanders supporters as a whole, as you do here, or even directly hung round my neck when I spoke about as strongly as one can speak in that thread. So did BMUS and others.
But do you mention that? No, you carry on as if we were silent. You smear us with that homophobic and racist material that we condemned. That is not right, what your team has done with that OP is every bit as wrong as the OP itself. Same thing.

And your vomiting it up as if there were no Sanders supporters calling it out is not honest, not truthful and it is ethically shallow behavior.

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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #13)

Fri Jun 10, 2016, 09:09 AM

14. It doesn't make his point at all.

 

Your rebuttal is a complete deflection. Over fifty recs for what you and I agree is a highly racist and bigoted op. Not one rec on that list is a Clinton supporter.

Your attempt to broad brush, that is in line with the deception of the op, really provides no benefit and ignores reality.

One of us isn't making an extremely flawed point by way of broad brush.

This was really close to being an excellent op. They used race in an unsavory fashion and ruined it.

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Response to NCTraveler (Reply #14)

Fri Jun 10, 2016, 09:23 AM

17. you broadbrush me. You and your team never once give a shred of credit to those of us who

 

so strongly countered not only that OP but those of that posters for months previously. You use that OP as if it defined me, Ken, Bernie and all of his supporters. You and your team do that constantly and it never comes with mention that some of us called him out so very strongly and directly.

My posts are at that link, DUers can review them and see that I said plenty. So did others. But you erase that, or try to.

In that Thread is Clinton supporter Kelliekat44- who was shortly thereafter banned for antisemitic posts. That Kelliekat44 person had spent months attacking LGBT and Bernie Sanders as a 'Hillary supporter' prior to the eventual banning:

"Posted an OP claiming that the terrorist attacks in Paris were an effort to distract the public from the crimes of Jewish bankers. Posted link to disgusting antisemitic website to support this theory."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=292436&sub=trans

You refuse to acknowledge the bad on your side, the good on the other side. That's self serving and hypocritical and in the end simply dishonest.

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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #17)

Fri Jun 10, 2016, 09:41 AM

19. Lots of dishonesty in your post here.

 

" you broadbrush me"

This is about the eighth time you have said this to me. You have never backed it up even though I have requested you do so each time. Where have I broad brushed you. I think you are overall an excellent poster on issues of race and inequality. That isn't a broad brush comment. That is respect for you.

You keep pointing directly at me and then using the words of others. It is the exact same thing the op is doing. It's dishonest.

Please show me where I have broad brushed you as you claim.

"You and your team do that constantly and it never comes with mention that some of us called him out so very strongly and directly."

That is one hundred percent dishonest. I directly backed you up in this area. I truly mean direct posts to you. Your sentence here is truly one hundred percent false.

"You refuse to acknowledge the bad on your side, the good on the other side."

I have regularly acknowledged the bad on "my side", and the good on "your side". . You flat out know this because I have previously provided you directly with links showing it. I don't get why you are being so dishonest about something so easy to prove and that has been proven to you in the past.

I have very often gone out of my way to show you respect. You and I both know that. You have relentlessly and falsely attacked me this whole primary season. I have not returned in kind. I have addressed your points at each turn.

Just stop making this about me. It's really not working for you because we are on the same team.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251756797#post11






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Response to NCTraveler (Reply #11)

Fri Jun 10, 2016, 03:37 PM

25. I talked Willy T into self-deleting it.

 

It was never fair to use that thread as if ALL Sanders supporters were to blame for it. Plenty of us condemned it.

That thread doesn't justify the way the Sanders supporters I listed in the OP were treated.

And if they hadn't been treated that way where did #Berniemademewhite come from?

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Response to Ken Burch (Reply #25)

Fri Jun 10, 2016, 03:56 PM

30. "It was never fair to use that thread as if ALL Sanders supporters were to blame for it."

 

Point

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Response to Ken Burch (Original post)

Fri Jun 10, 2016, 10:38 AM

22. Well done, Ken. False attacks and accusations disguised as a "thank you" message.

What kind of crap is this? My estimation of you has dropped several notches. Not that it would matter to you, of course, but you'd always struck me as someone who was passionate, but mostly reasonable. I thought something like that would have been beneath you, but I guess that's what happens when I make the mistake of giving someone more credit than they deserve.

Carry on. Get it out of your system.

See you on the other side of the 16th, maybe.

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #22)

Fri Jun 10, 2016, 11:38 AM

23. after all the accusations of "race baiting" leveled here I've really had enough of this shit too.

 

So wrong.

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #22)

Fri Jun 10, 2016, 03:34 PM

24. No false attacks.

 

I was thanking supporters.

POC who backed Bernie were accused of both betraying their race and of not actually being the race they claimed to be. Same with women, same with LGBTQ. People in all of those groups were treated as if they were committing some sort of betrayal in not backing HRC.

Whatever you think of white male Sanders supporters, none of the people in the groups I listed ever deserved any hostility from HRC supporters.

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Response to Ken Burch (Reply #24)

Fri Jun 10, 2016, 06:33 PM

31. Here, on DU, PoC, women LBGT Hillary supprters were in the minority, just like the rest of HC

supporters. We were under constant attack, so much so that we had to take refuge in a protected group.

So, please, spare me. Bernie supporters took over the board, they were (are) the majority. The thought that they were victimized it's laughable

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Response to lunamagica (Reply #31)

Fri Jun 10, 2016, 06:47 PM

33. It's not inherently unfair that you were in the minority.

 

What were we supposed to do...agree to shut off enough pro-Sanders accounts to make it 50-50?

You were outnumbered here because more folks here agreed with Bernie than with HRC.

That just happens sometimes.

That doesn't justify how pro-Bernie POC, LGBTQ and women were treated.

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Response to lunamagica (Reply #31)

Sat Jun 11, 2016, 04:28 AM

60. so we have a Hillary Clinton group to protect her supporters?

I seem to remember one even prior to the primaries oh and what is the reason we have a Sanders group? as to Bernies supporters taking over the board I challenge you to take a look at the list of who is a Forum Host and who is MIRT it could almost be called a study in how a minority rules a majority

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Response to Ken Burch (Original post)

Fri Jun 10, 2016, 03:43 PM

27. It really sucked. It fucking sucked a lot.

The people who smeared minority Bernie supporters this year will never be forgotten. I honestly don't give a shit who they voted for, they just suck as people.

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Response to Ken Burch (Original post)

Fri Jun 10, 2016, 03:46 PM

28. Did anyone actually criticize those three or four dozen people?

 

If so, I missed it.

(I like jokes).

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Response to Ken Burch (Original post)

Fri Jun 10, 2016, 03:46 PM

29. I'm a latina and have been a Bernie supporter

from day one because I'm a progressive.

The struggle continues.

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Response to azmom (Reply #29)

Fri Jun 10, 2016, 06:58 PM

37. And did anyone call you a race traitor for that?

 

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Reply #37)

Fri Jun 10, 2016, 07:06 PM

39. Yes they did, and a sexist too.

It bothered me at first, but I could care less about it now.

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Response to azmom (Reply #39)

Fri Jun 10, 2016, 07:21 PM

40. Really? Where on du?

 

I have literally never seen the phrase race traitor on du before, could you point me to this?

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Response to Ken Burch (Original post)

Fri Jun 10, 2016, 06:42 PM

32. Thanks Ken!

We do count and we can think for ourselves.

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Response to Juicy_Bellows (Reply #32)

Fri Jun 10, 2016, 06:48 PM

34. Thank you. n/t.

 

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Response to Ken Burch (Original post)

Fri Jun 10, 2016, 06:50 PM

35. Thanks for this thread Ken. Some of us got some very brutal treatment

 

I will never see DU and some Hillary supporters in the same way ever again.

They even targeted folks who remained uncommitted like Nadinbrezinski with a lot of viciousness.


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Response to Ken Burch (Original post)

Fri Jun 10, 2016, 07:01 PM

38. This is a shitty and dishonest post. Ugh.

 

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Response to Ken Burch (Original post)

Fri Jun 10, 2016, 08:09 PM

41. Gosh, there should be a book about the persecution that Sanders and his supporters endure

while he travels lands far and near performing miracles, gathering crowds and sharing his message. I'm sure it will include Elizabeth Warren betraying him to the Establishment. And .... hey, wait this sounds familiar!

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Response to PeaceNikki (Reply #41)

Fri Jun 10, 2016, 08:11 PM

42. This thread isn't about Bernie.

 

It's meant as a sincere tribute to those who supported him and were treated as traitors to their communities for doing so.

We know it happened. And it was just as wrong as anything else that happened.

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Response to Ken Burch (Reply #42)

Fri Jun 10, 2016, 08:14 PM

43. except it didn't happen. at all.

 

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Reply #43)

Fri Jun 10, 2016, 08:21 PM

47. Just because you couldn't find the WORDS "race traitor" in your search

 

doesn't mean the accusation of group disloyalty wasn't made.

I saw several posts in which POC Sanders supporters were accused of not actually being POC.

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Response to Ken Burch (Reply #47)

Fri Jun 10, 2016, 08:22 PM

48. race traitor is a very specific insult that you said was thrown around

 

and was not.

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Reply #48)

Fri Jun 10, 2016, 08:29 PM

49. I said the accusation was thrown around, I didn't specify the words.

 

You can make the accusation without using the phrase. A lot can be done by insinuation.

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Response to Ken Burch (Reply #49)

Fri Jun 10, 2016, 08:32 PM

50. Can you provide any examples of the race traitor implications?

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Response to PeaceNikki (Reply #50)

Fri Jun 10, 2016, 10:12 PM

53. I can't find the thread in the Sanders group where a few AA'S were talking @ it

 

TM99, noiretextatique, Rebkeh, Vulgar Poet and a few other AAs specifically mentioned how the AA group was so pro-Hillary that they were made to feel like "traitors" for supporting Bernie.

I looked back a couple pages, perhaps someone with a star can find it. I was pretty sad to read it.

AZDar is a latina and I also remember her comments in response to some DUers questioning whether she was really a POC.

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Response to Ken Burch (Reply #49)

Fri Jun 10, 2016, 09:09 PM

51. Show us some insinuations that amount to being called a race traitor?

 

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Response to Ken Burch (Reply #47)

Sat Jun 11, 2016, 04:33 AM

61. yep you're a fake this or that is more common

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Response to Ken Burch (Original post)

Fri Jun 10, 2016, 09:15 PM

52. No minority had a problem with me voting for Sanders and they never even tried to convince

Or even just say i should not.

But i saw many attacks on minorities from Sanders supporters . Including those not supporting Clinton.

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Response to JI7 (Reply #52)

Fri Jun 10, 2016, 10:37 PM

55. Oh, you and your honesty. You're ruining a phenomenal meme!

The tiny handful -- and I mean it was THREE at the most -- of minority posters who ran around DU insulting black people right and left and going out of their way to insult black posters and who were blocked from the AA forum for that -- not their support for any particular candidate -- are the real victims.

I love how no one can find any ACTUAL proof of anyone ever saying anything derogatory to this teeny, tiny handful of unpleasant people but that somehow doesn't seem to be doing one thing to diminish the meme that they were treated so incredibly horribly. Which I guess is why all of these terribly upset white people -- many of whom were quiet as farts in church when people were trashing John Lewis, Black Lives Matter and other assorted black causes and groups -- are now screaming for vengeance. It's the damndest thing.

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Response to Number23 (Reply #55)

Fri Jun 10, 2016, 10:38 PM

56. +1

 

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Response to Ken Burch (Original post)

Fri Jun 10, 2016, 11:40 PM

57. Thank you, it's the first time in my life I had to defend being a POC.

 

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Response to Ken Burch (Original post)

Sat Jun 11, 2016, 03:11 AM

59. You're welcome. Clinton is not. eom

 

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Response to Ken Burch (Original post)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 02:53 PM

62. No brainer for me

I support progress.

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