Fri Jun 10, 2016, 08:27 PM

EffieBlack (14,249 posts)

What happens when an immoveable object meets an unstoppable force?

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For months on DU (and elsewhere), some fervent Bernie Sanders supporters have vigorously rejected even the mildest notion that their candidate could ever be wrong about anything - and often attacked anyone who had the temerity to suggest that he was anything less than perfect. And they also went after anyone who endorsed Hillary Clinton - regardless how loved, how proven, how progressive they were - because, to that particular element, the very act of endorsing Hillary ipso facto made them sellouts, corporatists, DINOs and worse.

So, it will be verrrry interesting to see how these folks respond when Sanders (he who can never be called wrong) endorses Clinton (she who turns everyone who embraces her into a despicable piece of you-know-what).

Will they remain consistent with their belief that Bernie can do no wrong and try to explain why, unlike the others, HIS endorsement is not proof of nefariousness? Or will they throw Bernie under the bus with all of the others whose endorsement of Hillary was supposedly unassailable evidence of their bad character - and admit that they were horribly wrong about Bernie all along?

I can't wait to see how this paradox resolves itself ...

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What happens when an immoveable object meets an unstoppable force? (Original post)	EffieBlack	Jun 2016	OP
Hi Effie. I think this thread is pretty divisive right now. I don't see any point in it except to	emulatorloo	Jun 2016	#1
Oh c'mon. If you take the flamebait away, what is left ?	truedelphi	Jun 2016	#5
Right after you ask these people to delete their posts	XRubicon	Jun 2016	#7
To be honest, I don't think either of those posters are reachable	emulatorloo	Jun 2016	#10
You should ask them anyway	XRubicon	Jun 2016	#11
Have pushed back on those posters in the past.	emulatorloo	Jun 2016	#15
You too.	XRubicon	Jun 2016	#18
You should probably replace "paradox"	bvf	Jun 2016	#2
LOL @ U	XRubicon	Jun 2016	#9
You act as though it is Bernie Sanders who has	truedelphi	Jun 2016	#3
No investigations and no indictments. Perhaps you should research what the FBI is "investigating"?	George II	Jun 2016	#6
I guess you don't know about today's Big News.	truedelphi	Jun 2016	#8
That's no surprise, we knew that was coming, and all it will do is make bigger fools...	George II	Jun 2016	#14
I've seen claims by some that their vote will not change	Agnosticsherbet	Jun 2016	#4
Their vote may not change. But will their opinion of Bernie change?	EffieBlack	Jun 2016	#12
He always said he would endorse the nominee. He is honest and sticks to promises.	JonLeibowitz	Jun 2016	#13
If you weren't among those attacking everyone and anyone who endorsed her	EffieBlack	Jun 2016	#16
Bernie's spot under the bus was reserved the same moment his supporters first started throwing other	BobbyDrake	Jun 2016	#17
Locking..	one_voice	Jun 2016	#19

Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Fri Jun 10, 2016, 08:32 PM

emulatorloo (43,193 posts)

1. Hi Effie. I think this thread is pretty divisive right now. I don't see any point in it except to

get people mad at each other and yelling at each other. In other words, Flamebait.

I hope you will think about this and consider self-deleting.

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Response to emulatorloo (Reply #1)

Fri Jun 10, 2016, 08:37 PM

truedelphi (32,324 posts)

5. Oh c'mon. If you take the flamebait away, what is left ?

The Hill supporters cannot possibly rely on her "progressive record," as there is not one.

As far as being the First Woman President, well, that would give them the idea anyone not enthused is sexist. Although she herself plans on having her man, Bill, take over the reins of the economy. So who is the sexist then?

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Response to emulatorloo (Reply #1)

Fri Jun 10, 2016, 08:38 PM

XRubicon (2,175 posts)

7. Right after you ask these people to delete their posts

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=2172493

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=2171445

There are more, I'll leave it to you to seek them out and do the righteous thing.

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Response to XRubicon (Reply #7)

Fri Jun 10, 2016, 08:43 PM

emulatorloo (43,193 posts)

10. To be honest, I don't think either of those posters are reachable

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Response to emulatorloo (Reply #10)

Fri Jun 10, 2016, 08:43 PM

XRubicon (2,175 posts)

11. You should ask them anyway

It may give you some credibility

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Response to XRubicon (Reply #11)

Fri Jun 10, 2016, 08:54 PM

emulatorloo (43,193 posts)

15. Have pushed back on those posters in the past.

And most likely they have me on ignore.

Strategically I think "please self your pointless thread" is only effective if it is one of the first replies. After that the posters are too dug in and there's no turning back.

YMMV.

But yeah I am gonna post in those threads.

Have a good night.

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Response to emulatorloo (Reply #15)

Fri Jun 10, 2016, 08:59 PM

XRubicon (2,175 posts)

18. You too.

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Fri Jun 10, 2016, 08:33 PM

bvf (6,604 posts)

2. You should probably replace "paradox"

with a word you understand.

See Russell, if you need any help.

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Response to bvf (Reply #2)

Fri Jun 10, 2016, 08:42 PM

XRubicon (2,175 posts)

9. LOL @ U

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Fri Jun 10, 2016, 08:34 PM

truedelphi (32,324 posts)

3. You act as though it is Bernie Sanders who has

At least two investigations and possible indictments and also Benghazi's bloody past history throwing his life into disarray?

Perhaps it is not Sanders (or Sanders Supporters) who need the healing?

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Response to truedelphi (Reply #3)

Fri Jun 10, 2016, 08:37 PM

George II (67,782 posts)

6. No investigations and no indictments. Perhaps you should research what the FBI is "investigating"?

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Response to George II (Reply #6)

Fri Jun 10, 2016, 08:39 PM

truedelphi (32,324 posts)

8. I guess you don't know about today's Big News.

Today Benghazi raises its head again, at the same time that everyone with "On Demand" is watching the movie.

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Response to truedelphi (Reply #8)

Fri Jun 10, 2016, 08:50 PM

George II (67,782 posts)

14. That's no surprise, we knew that was coming, and all it will do is make bigger fools...

...of the republicans.

So why are you guy repeating all of this stuff? Do you think it will change the Democratic Party's nominee next month? It's not, but if enough people read this stuff and start believing some of it, it will give Trump more votes. Is that what you folks want?

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Fri Jun 10, 2016, 08:35 PM

Agnosticsherbet (11,619 posts)

4. I've seen claims by some that their vote will not change

Even if Sanders supports Clinton.

There were a few Pumas in 2008 who refused. Son of Sanders supporters will do the same in November.

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Response to Agnosticsherbet (Reply #4)

Fri Jun 10, 2016, 08:44 PM

EffieBlack (14,249 posts)

12. Their vote may not change. But will their opinion of Bernie change?

After all, they've accused every other Hillary endorser of being everything but a child of God ...

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Response to EffieBlack (Reply #12)

Fri Jun 10, 2016, 08:47 PM

JonLeibowitz (6,282 posts)

13. He always said he would endorse the nominee. He is honest and sticks to promises.

Unlike Clinton (What about the promised California debate?)

His endorsement will not change my opinion of him, whatsoever. It won't change my opinion of Hillary either, though.

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Response to JonLeibowitz (Reply #13)

Fri Jun 10, 2016, 08:55 PM

EffieBlack (14,249 posts)

16. If you weren't among those attacking everyone and anyone who endorsed her

this observation doesn't include you. I'm very interested in how the people who think Bernie can do no wrong AND insist that endorsing Clinton is tantamount to treason will respond to his throwing his support behind her.

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Fri Jun 10, 2016, 08:57 PM

BobbyDrake (2,542 posts)

17. Bernie's spot under the bus was reserved the same moment his supporters first started throwing other

Democrats underneath it. It's inevitable that they will turn on him when he doesn't continue to deny reality as they plan to.

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Fri Jun 10, 2016, 09:04 PM

one_voice (20,043 posts)

19. Locking..

disruptive meta is not allowed.

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