Sanders' Campaign Personnel Joining Clinton Team

[UCmeNdc]

There are many supporters of Bernie Sanders who feel devastated by his loss to Secretary Clinton in the Democratic Presidential Primaries. Respectfully, other progressives should give them ample time to grieve and come to grips with the reality that she is the nominee.

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Hillary Clinton's organization is wise to welcome the addition of several of Bernie Sanders' fine campaign organizers who have vowed to fight as hard as Hillary to stop a Trump Presidency. The Sanders staffers have done incredible work by mobilizing and energizing new, younger voters. Nevermind the obvious fact that they need jobs too, these talented political operatives are bringing some much-needed enhancements to the outreach efforts of the Clinton Campaign.


http://crooksandliars.com/2016/06/sanders-campaign-personnel-unite-clinton

[Live and Learn]

1. The paid campaign personnel are not what made the campaign so great.

It was the unpaid volunteers and I doubt you can pull many of them in. And Bernie himself but I don't think he will be holding yuuuuge rallies for Clinton.

[leftofcool]

2. He won't need to. Obama will be holding huge rallies for her.

[Live and Learn]

5. Even Obama didn't generate the enthusiasm Bernie did.

And he certainly won't these days.

[MrWendel]

7. Seriously?

You typed that with a straight face?

[Live and Learn]

9. Yep. nt

[MrWendel]

12. As long...

as your behind a computer and not a vehicle then go for it.

[Live and Learn]

18. What a silly thing to say. nt

[MrWendel]

58. What a coincidence!

That's what I thought when I saw your comment.

[lancer78]

33. What enthusiasm?

If Sanders generated more enthusiasm than Obama, shouldn't he have beaten HRC like Obama did in 2008?

[BobbyDrake]

46. It would be more accurate to say that Bernie generated the appearance of enthusiasm.

That is, after all, where he spent a large chunk of his money. Those massive rallies didn't just happen; they were coordinated as a type of photo op to lend credence to a narrative that Bernie was drawing more support than he was based on voting patterns.

[NCTraveler]

47. Over five million more people voted for Obama in '08.

Not sure of the count difference in primaries and caucuses. Obama also brought out very impressive crowds.

[SidDithers]

49. Wow...

Sid

[LenaBaby61]

15. I'm not one for large crowds per se...

But it really would be nice for Hillary if she can arrange to have a few larger-sized rallies leading up to this falls elections. Not that huge/large crowds are the end all and be all, because Hillary was keen on smaller more intimate gatherings and she did just FINE with smaller and intimate gatherings.

[Live and Learn]

19. She really didn't do so fine. She came close to losing to a previously unknown candidate. nt

[LenaBaby61]

22. Uh.....

She didn't come close to losing to Sen. Sanders. Sen. Sanders from the very beginning put himself in a hole by NOT taking the Southern region of the country as seriously as he should have. He made the comment that the south was too conservative? Hillary built up a nice delegate lead from all of those Southern states she won and essentially never looked back. Hopefully this fall, she can translate primary wins in Florida and Virginia into GE wins. Also, Hillary did better in larger states where having an organized ground game. Last time in 2008, her ground game/GOTV game wasn't as coordinated at Sen. Obama's was. But like I said THIS time around her ground game was much more improved from 2008. Now, from all I'm reading from the various news articles behind the scenes interviews (And I'm not inclined to believe everything in every article I read), many workers within Sanders camp said that they thought their ground game could have been better organized, and many hinted that they didn't think that their camp had enough infrastructure to mount big enough challenges to the Clinton campaign in certain states. Then there was the issue of some voters (I) who didn't know that they had to re-register as Dems by a certain time frame so they could vote for Bernie Sanders come primary voting time. Many said they were disenfranchised, but honestly as a voter it's up to you to know the rules of the way your state votes (And, no, I'm not talking about those voters whose names were wiped off the voting roles in NY. Last I heard/read, a GOP clerk was found to be responsible and suspended without pay pending investigation for wiping thousands of eligible voters off the voting rolls in NY).

In many ways, Bernie's campaign strategy in 2016 looked very much like Hillary's in 2008 when then Sen. Obama took down the "Clinton Machine." Hillary was bound and determined to NOT make the same mistakes she'd made in 2008, this time around and she didn't. I live here in California, and let me tell you, Hillary's ground game here was still pretty much in place from 2008.

[SheenaR]

24. Over and over

This Southern states theory gets thrown out here. A choice had to be made. Burn through the rest of the money in an area that was a potential lost cause, or try and win OH, MI, NY, IL, PA, NJ and CA. He failed. But would have failed worse had he done what you suggested and dedicated time and money to the South. Its about winning, not covering the map.

[Garrett78]

25. Clinton did well in those southern states for the same reason she did well in CA, NJ, NY, etc.

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It's the demographics. If you don't compete in the southern states, you don't have much chance of winning in other states with a high percentage of POC. And that's precisely why it was so clear by mid-March that the race was essentially over. If not for caucuses, which suppress the vote, it wouldn't have been remotely close.

[LenaBaby61]

30. That's what I'm saying....

He made the choice to not compete there in the South (One reason he gave--too conservative) and was behind from the start, and never was going to catch up, especially given how successful Hillary was in the states where she pulled large delegate counts--the states you mentioned.

[lancer78]

34. I think the John Lewis

dis of Sanders hurt him a lot. But I thought Sanders had raised as much money as Clinton?

[Recursion]

41. No. She consistently had a larger lead throughout the primary than Obama ever had

in 2008.

[Recursion]

3. Meh. The campaign was very careful to make the volunteers feel that way

But a ton of volunteers can often be more of a hindrance to a campaign than a benefit (and frankly the Sanders campaign walked that line pretty closely from what I saw). Some of their pro staff was amazing, but there were also some buffoons, unfortunately, and it showed. Hopefully the Clinton campaign will be selective...

[Live and Learn]

4. Pretty sure you have no idea what you are posting about. nt

[Recursion]

6. Heh

OK.

[hedda_foil]

21. Your vocabulary seems strangely limited to gruntlike utterances, especially meh and eh.

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Fortunately for you, there are always emojis to more fully communicate your meaning.

[Recursion]

40. demonize? (nt)

[SidDithers]

50. Oh delicious irony, eh?...nt

Sid

[hedda_foil]

51. That was supposed to be emojis. That demon autocorrect got me good.

Thanks.

[Recursion]

54. I should have got that

That makes much more sense...

[hedda_foil]

56. Autocorrect is the devil on snark!

[Agnosticsherbet]

8. Unity is happening.

[ancianita]

10. One person. ONE. One person on youth voter turnout does not unity make.

When Hillary actually gets writers of speeches and policy on her staff and FIRES Debbie, THEN I will believe she's making efforts toward turning Left and unifying the progressives.

[okasha]

14. Gods forbid Hillary should adopt either Bernie's single, monotonous speech

or whoever kept xeroxing it for him.

[ancianita]

20. "Gods forbid?" That's some serious or snark unity talk there. She is using his words in her speeches

But they sound like a platitude attitude. Not much feeling in them. Still, there is that.

A unity that brings confidence to a major wing of voters means major concessions from both wings of voters.

With 46% of the delegates, there's more than one Berner to take into the Hiller campaign.

No concessions, then no support. Not a good way to face a pathological liar and dictatorial lunatic.

[okasha]

32. lf phrases Hillary has adopted from Sanders' single

endlessly repeated speech sound like "platitude attitude," it's because they were platitudes when Sanders used them.

He'll get some "concessions," but his ultimate influence will be minimal unless he supports our elected nominees like he means it.

[ancianita]

35. Slick and inaccurate. Everyone knows that his ideas come from 35 years of work in

governance, and from being the "amendment king" of hundreds of bills voted into law.

I am interested to know, though, since you're a Hill supporter, what concessions you think she and advisors are likely to make.

Because I'll know that when she does -- by moving away from platitudy to sincere -- she'll gain voters who want a more progressive president than she would have been had Bernie not run.

You need not doubt Bernie means it when he gives support. Berners won't like it, but they trust his judgment more than they trust hers.

The first year of her presidency will be instructive for us all. But first she has to get the votes. To get the votes she's got to be convincing.

If she's convincing, shows integrity, they'll stay. If she's not, and her presidency shows contradictory actions and words, they'll just leave. Probably no candidate ever again will be able to bring them back.

[bravenak]

27. This is such truth!

[MoonRiver]

45. 5 more days!

[ancianita]

48. 'Til?

[MoonRiver]

52. Til' posts bashing our Democratic presumptive nominee won't be tolerated on DU.

Skinner has posted this a few times.

[ancianita]

53. Correcting the claim of "Hillary hires Bernie PEOPLE!" to "ONE person" is bashing. Fearful much?

If there's going to be healthy debate instead of "nyah nyah our numbers beat yours," now's the time to practice that debating attitude within your own party of fairly loyal supporters.

When someone points out -- and backs up -- misinformation and distortion with research and logical argument, (though I was simply pointing out a reading comprehension error on the part of Hillarists here) this "Daddy Skinner's gonna kick your asses when he gets home" is beyond trifling.

Be like Hillary.

Don't be trifling.

[MoonRiver]

55. Why exactly should I be fearful, lol?

Edit: I simply don't like the continuous attempts to drag our candidate down. Can't wait until I don't have to see right wing talking points here.

[ancianita]

57. Then say that to someone who's actually doing it. I'm correcting misreading here.

[Thinkingabout]

11. Yes, joining the two teams together to work on Electing Hillary and defeating Trump.

DU is about electing Democrats, together we can do this. Michael Moore said this and let the work together begin.

[LenaBaby61]

17. But as we know...

Not every Bernie supporter is going to vote for Hillary. If they don't they just don't However, I know many who are planning on voting for her this fall, plus there are many other Bernie supporters who will vote for Hillary in the GE, and hopefully along with them and her core base voters and with Pres. Obama, Elizabeth Warren, other surrogates and Bernie himself out there on the campaign trail campaigning for her, she'll be looking good this fall to win the presidency.

[onecaliberal]

13. When she comes out against fracking, says she will prosecute bankers,

Fights hard for 15 dollar minimum wage and single payer healthcare. Then I will pay attention to her, otherwise, no way in hell!

[Skid Rogue]

16. That's totally wonderful...

Nice move, Hillary! Smart move, Hillary!

There's nothing but positive in this.

[Hiraeth]

23. They needed a job. Cut and dried. Our Brand is Crisis. See it.

[Gomez163]

26. That bird jinxed him

[bravenak]

28. I just almost fell on the floor at this post

[msanthrope]

44. I laughed til I had to go pee. nt

[Maru Kitteh]

29. Very good news!

[nenagh]

31. I'm glad people got hired from the Sanders campaign...

but I doubt it will change many minds ...

[ancianita]

36. ONE person. That's it. Not "people." At least, not yet. We'll see. This unity claim is premature.

[nenagh]

38. Thank you...I misinformed myself...

Based on quick scanning of the OPs

Delighted c your reply...

[azurnoir]

37. well now we know where that oh so popular Politico story came from-thanks

I has suspected something a like that

[Waiting For Everyman]

39. +1

[DCBob]

42. That's good. I like this comment..

"If those who have tirelessly worked on Sanders' behalf put comparable energy into the Clinton Campaign, the odds of maintaining a Democratic White House improve vastly. One might say, her chances at victory are Yuuuge."

[Ino]

43. Hillary already does plenty of youth outreach...

There is no enthusiasm gap, so I don't know what these Sanders staffers could do differently. As Hillary Herself said....

I take a little bit of issue with the kind of general coverage about the enthusiasm of my supporters. In fact, Gallup did a poll about a month or so ago, and found that my voters were the most enthusiastic, more enthusiastic than Senator Sanders' supporters. A little more enthusiastic than Trump's, but that there was a lot of enthusiasm. (snip) So I do think that there is a lot of excitement. I see it at my events. I mean I have people at my events bursting into tears because they're so excited. I have all kinds of, you know, holding up babies, to me, we just did that.