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hootinholler

(26,449 posts)
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 08:25 PM Jun 2016

So, where do you draw the line?

What line? The one where you can do something while under FBI scrutiny.

Buy groceries, but not a gun. Sounds reasonable to me. Drive a car? Ok.

Run for Mayor? The Senate? President?

Where do you draw the line?

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So, where do you draw the line? (Original Post) hootinholler Jun 2016 OP
On the 16th. nt LexVegas Jun 2016 #1
Tick fucking tock baby. hootinholler Jun 2016 #3
You asked where I would draw the line. I answered. LexVegas Jun 2016 #12
13 hides, impressive Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #28
These posters seem to forget that the 16th is also a day Puglover Jun 2016 #42
Indeed so Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #43
I suspect that it will be similar to the past 8 years. Puglover Jun 2016 #44
If Bernie hasn't conceded by the 16th I suspect a sort of immunity will be granted azurnoir Jun 2016 #54
It is much easier to put their fingers in their ears and say, "la la la lalalalala" AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #39
Well I'd start with a properly issued court order. Hortensis Jun 2016 #2
Now there's a silly notion hootinholler Jun 2016 #10
Requiring court orders to allow spying on us are silly? Hortensis Jun 2016 #15
There IS no line, if your name is Hillary Clinton. John Poet Jun 2016 #4
Aw, aren't you just the cutest thing? TwilightZone Jun 2016 #5
It was transmitted via my tinfoil hat. hootinholler Jun 2016 #7
Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #14
Eesh. That was before I came back. TwilightZone Jun 2016 #17
Yeah. Things got pretty disgusting. A few very sick minds were revealed. Squinch Jun 2016 #24
Wtf? zappaman Jun 2016 #19
How, indeed. Squinch Jun 2016 #21
Rhetorical question of course. nt geek tragedy Jun 2016 #23
Probably because the jury considered the whole context hootinholler Jun 2016 #25
3-4 to keep huh? Autumn Jun 2016 #37
I would expect that kind of personal attack... yallerdawg Jun 2016 #46
How is he still a member? Starry Messenger Jun 2016 #41
No kidding. Bobbie Jo Jun 2016 #47
What's really fascinating is that the mention of it was hidden but not the original post. stevenleser Jun 2016 #48
I don't know how he is still a member hootinholler Jun 2016 #49
He created the JPR hate site? joshcryer Jun 2016 #56
Brigading by very ugly people. joshcryer Jun 2016 #55
Let Skinner call it. Live and Learn Jun 2016 #6
LOL, sharp as a tack. nt Snotcicles Jun 2016 #59
This message was self-deleted by its author onehandle Jun 2016 #8
read up on something called: "presumption of innocence", as opposed to McCarthyism Bill USA Jun 2016 #9
Interesting hootinholler Jun 2016 #13
I hadn't thought of that in those terms. Juicy_Bellows Jun 2016 #27
I like innocent until proven guilty ZombieHorde Jun 2016 #11
So then someone under FBI scrutiny MissDeeds Jun 2016 #51
The argument makes sense to me, ZombieHorde Jun 2016 #52
little over 48 hours until Addition by Subtraction Day geek tragedy Jun 2016 #16
Three! brooklynite Jun 2016 #18
Due process seems to mean nothing to some. grossproffit Jun 2016 #20
The line...how about investigating crazy gunmen instead of emails about the SoS and yoga!! Sancho Jun 2016 #22
Hillary set up her private server because the SD IT dept is incompetent Fumesucker Jun 2016 #31
You are making stuff up.. Sancho Jun 2016 #33
I diidn't realize you folks had moved on to she set up the server to avoid FOIA requests Fumesucker Jun 2016 #34
Then you can't read...I'll help you ... have fun... Sancho Jun 2016 #35
I am not a smart man Fumesucker Jun 2016 #36
I'm going to have to steal this. TwilightZone Jun 2016 #60
How many posters will commit suicide by mod on Thursday? Adrahil Jun 2016 #26
The line can be drawn between the top 10% and the bottom 90%. After that it NorthCarolina Jun 2016 #29
This PowerToThePeople Jun 2016 #30
That line is made of $$$$$$$$$$ felix_numinous Jun 2016 #32
yep +10 840high Jun 2016 #38
Depends on who you are. Obviously. senz Jun 2016 #40
No guns if you beat up your wife and are known to hang with terrorists...not hard at all Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #45
Today (since this thread is still running) I draw the line under the "2" brooklynite Jun 2016 #50
It seems to depend on WHO you are for where that line has to be drawn. pdsimdars Jun 2016 #53
Why am I not surprised Sanders "supporters" really ARE gunners? joshcryer Jun 2016 #57
Bibi can help you with drawing things like that MyNameGoesHere Jun 2016 #58

Puglover

(16,380 posts)
42. These posters seem to forget that the 16th is also a day
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 08:07 AM
Jun 2016

when they had better rethink their behavior.

 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
43. Indeed so
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 08:22 AM
Jun 2016

I am saddened that Skinner will give them another amnesty. They all should be put on an immediate time out. Anybody with 5+ hides.

Puglover

(16,380 posts)
44. I suspect that it will be similar to the past 8 years.
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 08:26 AM
Jun 2016

An "I love Obama" or "How DARE you say something other then positive about our President. You're a hater." inserted frequently in seems to afford posters immunity in spite of really bad behavior.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
54. If Bernie hasn't conceded by the 16th I suspect a sort of immunity will be granted
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 06:04 PM
Jun 2016

because until he concedes it can be said he is part of the opposition to real Democrats right along with Trump

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
2. Well I'd start with a properly issued court order.
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 08:28 PM
Jun 2016

Just in case the FBI thinks it doesn't have better things to do than follow me around a grocery store, let them convince a federal judge of it first.

hootinholler

(26,449 posts)
10. Now there's a silly notion
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 08:37 PM
Jun 2016

Maybe a highly trained and skilled lawyer would not suggest curtailing rights because of an accusation, would they?

 

John Poet

(2,510 posts)
4. There IS no line, if your name is Hillary Clinton.
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 08:29 PM
Jun 2016

I would think they have made that pretty clear by now.

Response to TwilightZone (Reply #5)

TwilightZone

(25,426 posts)
17. Eesh. That was before I came back.
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 08:54 PM
Jun 2016

Looks like I should be glad I was still away from DU then. I thought the current state was bad enough.

hootinholler

(26,449 posts)
25. Probably because the jury considered the whole context
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 09:07 PM
Jun 2016

I expected it to be hidden, in fact I was worried about a 7-0 hide.

Go figure.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
46. I would expect that kind of personal attack...
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 08:37 AM
Jun 2016

to meet NO community standard of a website.

How would that "post" be removed and never referenced again?

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
48. What's really fascinating is that the mention of it was hidden but not the original post.
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 08:50 AM
Jun 2016

And these folks argue that Hillary supporters were the nasty ones here. We're all about to see who has an easier time being civil.

hootinholler

(26,449 posts)
49. I don't know how he is still a member
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 12:27 PM
Jun 2016

Setting up an external website to launch attacks on DUers used to be a bannable offense.

Response to hootinholler (Original post)

hootinholler

(26,449 posts)
13. Interesting
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 08:40 PM
Jun 2016

Are you implying that Hillary ignored that foundational principle of U.S. law?

I'm paraphrasing, but didn't she say that no one under FBI scrutiny should be able to buy such a weapon as was used in Orlando?

ZombieHorde

(29,047 posts)
52. The argument makes sense to me,
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 04:21 PM
Jun 2016

but I still favor innocent until proven guilty. The restriction could potentially save lives, so I very much respect the opposing view.

Sancho

(9,067 posts)
22. The line...how about investigating crazy gunmen instead of emails about the SoS and yoga!!
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 08:58 PM
Jun 2016

When someone goes to Saudia Arabia twice, has an ex-wife say he's crazy and abusive, has a coworker say he's threatening, goes to the mosque with a known suicide bomber, and buys assault weapons AFTER HE'S ON THE FBI LIST AND HAS BEEN INTERVIEWED TWICE - then they need to spend their time more wisely!

Or else they are incompetent.

My line - quit wasting time and money on RW, GOP witch hunts and get your real job done!!

Almost time that these flame bait OPs go away!!



Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
31. Hillary set up her private server because the SD IT dept is incompetent
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 09:46 PM
Jun 2016

Now you tell us that the FBI is incompetent.

Government incompetence is the Republican meme, not the Democratic one.

Sancho

(9,067 posts)
33. You are making stuff up..
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 09:54 PM
Jun 2016

"set up her private server because the SD IT dept is incompetent"

My pet schnauzer could have done a better investigation of the Orlando shooter.

If they are competent, then their resources are mishandled. You can't have it both ways.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
34. I diidn't realize you folks had moved on to she set up the server to avoid FOIA requests
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 09:59 PM
Jun 2016

I thought the meme was still that the SD email was so bad that Hillary was forced to set up her own server to get her job done.

Sorry, it's hard to keep up.

Sancho

(9,067 posts)
35. Then you can't read...I'll help you ... have fun...
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 10:02 PM
Jun 2016
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/hillary-clintons-email-server-traced-to-home-based-service-ap/

In November 2012, without explanation, Clinton's private email account was reconfigured to use Google's servers as a backup in case her own personal email server failed, according to Internet records. That is significant because Clinton publicly supported Google's accusations in June 2011 that China's government had tried to break into the Google mail accounts of senior U.S. government officials. It was one of the first instances of a major American corporation openly accusing a foreign government of hacking.
Then, in July 2013, five months after she resigned as secretary of state, Clinton's private email server was reconfigured again to use a Denver-based commercial email provider, MX Logic, which is now owned by McAfee Inc., a top Internet security company.
https://www.hillaryclinton.com/p/briefing/factsheets/2015/07/13/email-facts/

http://mediamatters.org/research/2015/08/12/myths-and-facts-on-hillary-clintons-email-and-r/204913

http://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2015/08/14/ap-exclusive-top-secret-clinton-emails-include-drone-talk

http://mediamatters.org/research/2015/08/14/state-dept-shuts-down-foxs-anonymous-speculatio/204941

State Dept. Shuts Down Fox's Anonymous Speculation Of Clinton Aides Stripping Email Classification Markings

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/08/19/clinton-lawyer-no-undisclosed-e-mails-left-on-server-turned-over-to-fbi/

http://harpers.org/blog/2008/01/the-emails-that-dick-cheney-deleted/

The White House possesses no archived e-mail messages for many of its component offices, including the Executive Office of the President and the Office of the Vice President, for hundreds of days between 2003 and 2005, according to the summary of an internal White House study that was disclosed yesterday by a congressional Democrat.
The 2005 study — whose credibility the White House attacked this week — identified 473 separate days in which no electronic messages were stored for one or more White House offices, said House Oversight and Government Reform Committee Chairman Henry A. Waxman (D-Calif.).

https://www.facebook.com/TheBriefing2016/videos/vb.415405165314505/452560401598981/?type=2&theater

http://www.dailynewsbin.com/news/state-department-confirms-hillary-clinton-email-violated-no-laws-or-policies/21851/

State Department confirms Hillary Clinton email violated no laws or policies


https://www.facebook.com/TheBriefing2016/videos/vb.415405165314505/452560401598981/?type=2&theater

http://www.dailynewsbin.com/news/state-department-confirms-hillary-clinton-email-violated-no-laws-or-policies/21851/

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-pn-jeb-bush-emails-and-ebook-20150210-story.html

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/hillary-clintons-email-server-traced-to-home-based-service-ap/

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/p/briefing/factsheets/2015/07/13/email-facts/

http://mediamatters.org/research/2015/08/12/myths-and-facts-on-hillary-clintons-email-and-r/204913

http://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2015/08/14/ap-exclusive-top-secret-clinton-emails-include-drone-talk

http://mediamatters.org/research/2015/08/14/state-dept-shuts-down-foxs-anonymous-speculatio/204941

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/08/19/clinton-lawyer-no-undisclosed-e-mails-left-on-server-turned-over-to-fbi/

http://harpers.org/blog/2008/01/the-emails-that-dick-cheney-deleted/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-hillary-clinton-e-mail-scandal-that-isnt/2015/08/27/b1cabed8-4cf4-11e5-902f-39e9219e574b_story.html

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2015/08/30/clinton-controversy-no-comparison-petraeus-column/71421242/

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/hillary-clinton-emails-state-department--2

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/042f508d2f5a4c9e806b9900e0fc7c77/so-far-legal-experts-see-no-criminal-trouble-clinton#



http://www.politicususa.com/2015/09/11/hillary-clinton-email-scandal-crumbles-justice-department-laws-broken.html

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/sep/10/justice-department-rules-hillary-clinton-followed-/

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2015/09/11/3700451/demystifying-classified-material/

http://www.dailynewsbin.com/news/usa-today-admits-hillary-clinton-email-scandal-is-a-sham/22371/

http://mediamatters.org/research/2015/09/24/politico-acknowledges-doj-confirmation-that-cli/205777

http://mediamatters.org/research/2016/01/10/state-department-disproves-hugh-hewitts-claim-t/207884


http://www.forbes.com/forbes/welcome/#1d1a738d552d

http://www.newsweek.com/hillary-clinton-email-scandal-not-scandal-464414

http://www.mediaite.com/online/hillary-clintons-emails-are-a-threat-to-life-as-we-know-it/

TwilightZone

(25,426 posts)
60. I'm going to have to steal this.
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 06:22 PM
Jun 2016

Well, actually, I'm just going to send people to this post.

Thank you for compiling all of that. Should prove useful.

 

NorthCarolina

(11,197 posts)
29. The line can be drawn between the top 10% and the bottom 90%. After that it
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 09:31 PM
Jun 2016

becomes easy. Those above the line can pretty much operate in god mode.

Demsrule86

(68,455 posts)
45. No guns if you beat up your wife and are known to hang with terrorists...not hard at all
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 08:36 AM
Jun 2016

I think the FBI director should be fired...he spends all this time on emails...and let this guy go to Saudi Arabia, hang with known terrorists and didn't even block his ability to purchase a gun. Oh and ban all assault weapons now.

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
53. It seems to depend on WHO you are for where that line has to be drawn.
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 05:54 PM
Jun 2016

We have a dual justice system. Which means we don't really have a rule of law. And without that, you don't have a country. Unless it gets fixed, we will fall apart.

 

MyNameGoesHere

(7,638 posts)
58. Bibi can help you with drawing things like that
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 06:16 PM
Jun 2016

he draws cartoon red lines, I guess he could branch out for you.

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