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Tue Jun 14, 2016, 03:17 PM

Clinton, Obama, Sanders all scorch Trumps bigoted ass.

Way to go Team Dems. Our party and our candidate is what stands between this country and fucking Mussolini, or at best Berlusconi. The Left and the Center Left are about to kick the Far Right's ass. The Center Right no longer exists.

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Response to arely staircase (Original post)

Tue Jun 14, 2016, 03:28 PM

1. Clinton's foreign policy is center-right.

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Response to JonLeibowitz (Reply #1)

Tue Jun 14, 2016, 03:33 PM

2. arguably. then Obama would be dead center. To me she is more dead center and he is center left.

but I wouldn't argue that strongly with your assessment.

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Response to arely staircase (Reply #2)

Tue Jun 14, 2016, 03:39 PM

3. I agree, Obama is center-left to (arguably) center

The reasons for being center have to do with drones, Afghanistan, etc.

I think the areas where his foreign policy have been centrist (and a failure) have been areas where Clinton pushed him to the right, while his overall ideology has been more center-left.

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Response to JonLeibowitz (Reply #3)

Tue Jun 14, 2016, 03:44 PM

4. sadly the move to drones (and away from large land invasions) was a move to the left.

that is how far out there Bush/Cheney took us.

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Response to arely staircase (Reply #4)

Tue Jun 14, 2016, 03:51 PM

5. Agreed, but I try to think of the continuum as fixed with individual players operating on the line

That is, Bush being hard-right doesn't shift the so-called Overton window to the right. Left-Right still exists as a theoretical concept, even if no politician wants to represent a true leftist foreign policy. Specifically, Bush being far-right doesn't mean a centrist Obama is actually Left.

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Response to JonLeibowitz (Reply #5)

Tue Jun 14, 2016, 03:57 PM

6. ok, droning people instead of killing many more in a large Asian land invasion is not "Left"

but it is leftward from where we were. Yes Obama is center left or just center even if far to the left of Cheney. now the American continuum has always (post WW2) been fixed rightward of the European one, despite the fact places like France have had their Trumps for decades. Bernie, despite self identifying as a Democratic Socialist would really be a Social Democrat in Europe, based on his presidential platform.

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Response to arely staircase (Reply #6)

Tue Jun 14, 2016, 04:44 PM

9. Yes, Sanders has always (well, maybe not as a rebellious Mayor) been center-left to left. Cheers.

Certainly not far-left as some claim.

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Response to JonLeibowitz (Reply #9)

Tue Jun 14, 2016, 04:51 PM

11. We do not have center left foreign policy in this country even Bernie is center right.

 

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Response to JRLeft (Reply #11)

Tue Jun 14, 2016, 05:45 PM

12. And Hillary is then far-right and the GOP is extreme-right?

Why do you say that, though? What is centrist and center-left, then, in your view? Rand Paul ?

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Response to JonLeibowitz (Reply #12)

Tue Jun 14, 2016, 07:24 PM

14. The GOP is insane, but Hillary is far right on foreign policy.

 

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Response to arely staircase (Original post)

Tue Jun 14, 2016, 03:59 PM

7. Sanders? Where?

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Response to robbedvoter (Reply #7)

Tue Jun 14, 2016, 04:02 PM

8. CNN about an hour ago.

Good stuff. He generally reiterated also his displeasure with money in politics and need for reforms but gone was any criticism of HRC. Mostly though he blasted Trump's religious extremism.

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Response to arely staircase (Original post)

Tue Jun 14, 2016, 04:49 PM

10. Sanders? He's incapable of shifting from his talking points, the ones we can all recite from heart.

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Response to SharonClark (Reply #10)

Tue Jun 14, 2016, 05:45 PM

13. You would prefer him to not assail Trump?

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