2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBernie just made it clear -- He is not giving up the fight for principles
He is going to the convention and he is going to continue to fight for the principles he expressed in his campaign, and for reform of the Democratic Party and its electoral process.
Unfortunately MSNBC decided to cut it off before he finished (so they could back to the repetition of the usual) so I don't know if he mentiond Clinton or not.
But in this and other statements, nomination or no, he is going to continue to represent the reasons about 40 percent of the participants in the primary voted for him within the Democratic process, while ALSO fighting to defeat Trump.
Make of that what you will.
apnu
(8,749 posts)He'll go to the convention, no doubt about that. But as a good Democratic soldier. Bank on it now, Bernie's going to be all about bringing his people into the fold against Trump. He's been saying so since the California primary last week. Not directly, but in a thousand other signals. His eye is on stopping Trump right now. He always made it clear that the Democrats were the best path to attaining his goals and he's not changed his mind on that yet and I don't expect him to change his mind on that later. Bernie's no fool.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)apnu
(8,749 posts)Bernie's going to continue to roar, I do hope the Democrats run with it.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)robbedvoter
(28,290 posts)I noticed the absence of 🔫🔫 in his Orlando statement. Gays too for that matter. ISIS only, like Trump.
KansDem
(28,498 posts)I'm shocked! SHOCKED, I'll tell ya!!
It seems to be a pattern in this election.
Duval
(4,280 posts)pat_k
(9,313 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)Skwmom
(12,685 posts)1. It is the party of Clinton, the ultimate establishment, corporatist, war hawk.
2. A party platform is nothing but words on a paper unless you can trust the nominee to fight for them.
3. I think they will use any fight over the platform to try to paint people that want the Democratic Party to return to a party of the people as left wing extremists and they will use it to try to attract Republicans and they will also use it to say there isn't much difference, (i.e., the stupid crap about we have the same goals but differ about how to get there).
Armstead
(47,803 posts)Skwmom
(12,685 posts)Sen. Bernie Sanders called Tuesday for new leadership at the Democratic National Committee and said the party's national convention in July needs to make it "crystal clear" Democrats stand with working people and the poor.
Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada called the meeting with Sanders "terrific."
"Sen Sanders took time to talk to us about his experiences. It was really very, very moving, Reid said.
Sanders said on Sunday's talk shows that he plans to speak with Clinton on Tuesday about the Democratic Party platform and whether she'll join him in making sure it stands up for working families and takes on Wall Street and big money influences.
Most Democrats want to see Sanders treated with respect and dignity, said Larry Sabato, director of the University of Virginias Center for Politics. But Sabato also said the nomination battle is over and Sanders "has to cooperate. Tuesday's meeting with his Senate colleagues offers Sanders a good chance to transition to the role of party unifier, Sabato said. (AKA Reel in those votes).
So the corporate funded National Convention is going to convince us that the party stands with the working people and the poor.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/06/14/bernie-sanders-meet-senate-democrats-hillary-clinton/85826716/
CrowCityDem
(2,348 posts)Skwmom
(12,685 posts)CrowCityDem
(2,348 posts)metroins
(2,550 posts)In today's society, they disenfranchise voting.
You know all the reasons, so I don't have to list them.
TheKentuckian
(25,018 posts)Daggone it, those things seem to have some kind of liberal bias and we can't have that.
metroins
(2,550 posts)Spending hours to vote.
Publicly declaring.
Disabled and elderly affected even more.
This is common sense stuff.
Grow up.
TheKentuckian
(25,018 posts)metroins
(2,550 posts)Just like NY should allow registrations closer to the election.
Caucuses are just a bad idea.
Lord Magus
(1,999 posts)Your argument is no different than the Republicans' call for strict photo ID requirements. Like those ID laws, the only "purpose" a caucus serves is to prevent people from voting. And you're using the same nonexistent threat of "fraud" to justify it.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)What the hell would that solve?
And how would he expect to get that accomplished, since election rules are determined by the states themselves?
YouDig
(2,280 posts)During an election, fighting means making your case to voters, so that they elect you. There are no more elections left. It's all Clinton versus Trump now, those are the only two ways this can go.
I guess he could try to lobby superdelegates to thwart the voters, but that's not going to work at all, and also I don't think he would really sink that low.
If there were a national referendum coming up on single payer, then OK, but that's not how it works. We vote representatives into government, and they make the laws.
What is this "fighting" he's going to be doing?
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)... he's also not saying he's fighting to win the nomination anymore, right?
Let's break this apart ....
Makes sense, he should go ...
Makes sense ... he can still do both of those, somewhat within the convention (prime time speech), and more realistically, after (doing what you describe is a longer term effort, and he should continue it).
while ALSO fighting to defeat Trump.
Which tactically, is critical. Trump wins, and the many things Bernie wants, slip farther away, again, just as what we saw when Bush "beat" Gore.
Atticus
(15,124 posts)Bernie started this campaign to push the party to the left. Like many others, I agreed with this and supported him early on. Over the course of several months, it seemed that Bernie had something in common with Trump: he could spout lofty ultimate goals but could not get past the "vague and fuzzy" stage when asked the logical question: "HOW would you accomplish what you say you will"?
When no specific plans or policy proposals were married to the promises, I peeled off my Bernie sticker and sent Hillary a check. I still agreed with what he said. I just no longer believed Bernie had what it takes to shove change through Congress. I decided that Hillary would accomplish much more of our liberal agenda. Not all of it. More of it than Bernie would.
So, now, the race is OVER. O-V-E-R. And, Bernie can't bear to concede the race to---HER! He can't bear to follow when his dream was to lead. He can't bear to see the lights dim, the mikes get pulled away and the parade move on.
He could have left gracefully with dignity and our gratitude. Now, I just want him to leave.
That's what I make of it.
k8conant
(3,030 posts)I'm waiting to hear Hillary's description of how she'll get thing done and if by chance those are progressive things.
CrowCityDem
(2,348 posts)MFM008
(19,803 posts).....
deathrind
(1,786 posts)Principles.
RandySF
(58,443 posts)While Hillary and the president speak out against hatred towards the Muslim and LGBT communities, Bernie continues his crusade against super delegates and Debbie Wasserman-Schiltz.
dubyadiprecession
(5,674 posts)tgards79
(1,415 posts)Bernie is completely blowing it. He is already the forgotten man. Nobody mentions him anymore. And now he is not even helping. What a sad spectacle of a man who had a good run and can't stand to yield the spotlight. Totally ego driven. Hillary was a class act 8 years ago.
randome
(34,845 posts)Demsrule86
(68,455 posts)The right to overturn an election? He is done...no matter what he does. A couple of weeks ago had he conceded and endorsed...he would have had influence...but now after the thumping in DC and California...he just is a sad person who can't stand losing...The time to worry about primary election law which is at the state level, by the way, is before a primary...not during a general election. The DNC does not oversee election laws. It is left to the states. Of course, Bernie is not a Democrat and all he knows is he lost and he can't deal with it.
felix_numinous
(5,198 posts)instead of having adult conversations about life or death issues to millions of people, so we will have to work around this sick culture to heal it. Mostly we have to recondition ourselves NOT to listen to propaganda, it is getting progressively worse.
I am less angry at people who have fallen under their spell than those whose business has been to study and deconstruct the American population for their own ends. It is insidious and evil to turn brothers and sisters against each other who in actuality share much more common ground than differ, but that's how they roll.
I am very happy that SO MANY people are awake and active today, inspired to choose to clear another path than the ones chosen for us. There are those who wish to take our choices, voices, votes away from us in an attempt to erase us from national discourse, while our fight to be heard includes them. I choose not to hate people I disagree with, but hate the methods, the culture and the behavior it inspires in people.
It is natural not to like some people and dislike others, all life behaves such, but it is what we DO with our nature that sets cultures up as advanced or primitive--which has nothing to do with technology. Cultures containing safeguards that protect the innocent individual against mob violence ADMIT that it is IN OUR NATURE to dislike some people and contain parameters preventing us from ACTING on these emotions.
Our Constitution and inalienable rights mean nothing if we do not honor them, THIS is what made America great, why people have fought and died to get to this land--simply because it was safe to be themselves and speak honestly amidst diversity.
Orsino
(37,428 posts)A lot more politicians are going to be rediscovering those same principles in the coming years, or they are going to be unemployed.
Nonhlanhla
(2,074 posts)And he's losing a lot of people's respect in the process including that of some people who voted for him.