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Armstead

(47,803 posts)
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 03:38 PM Jun 2016

Bernie just made it clear -- He is not giving up the fight for principles

He is going to the convention and he is going to continue to fight for the principles he expressed in his campaign, and for reform of the Democratic Party and its electoral process.

Unfortunately MSNBC decided to cut it off before he finished (so they could back to the repetition of the usual) so I don't know if he mentiond Clinton or not.

But in this and other statements, nomination or no, he is going to continue to represent the reasons about 40 percent of the participants in the primary voted for him within the Democratic process, while ALSO fighting to defeat Trump.

Make of that what you will.

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Bernie just made it clear -- He is not giving up the fight for principles (Original Post) Armstead Jun 2016 OP
I don't think anybody expected him to stop his fight. apnu Jun 2016 #1
Some want him to just slink away quietly so we can get back to business as usual Armstead Jun 2016 #2
Well those folks are living on Fantasy Island. apnu Jun 2016 #3
Like 79% of the voters in DC? (nt) Nye Bevan Jun 2016 #25
No one who has paid attention to the reason he is running expected him to stop. MrMickeysMom Jun 2016 #35
So, is the D party expected to welcome the NRA in its midst? robbedvoter Jun 2016 #4
"Unfortunately MSNBC decided to cut it off before he finished..." KansDem Jun 2016 #5
It IS a pattern in this election. Duval Jun 2016 #11
Possible course pat_k Jun 2016 #6
Looks like he'll do something like that Armstead Jun 2016 #8
I don't see the reform of the Democratic Party going anywhere. Skwmom Jun 2016 #7
Maybe, maybe not....time will tell. Armstead Jun 2016 #9
I think this article speaks volumes. Skwmom Jun 2016 #15
He still says nothing about caucuses, the ultimate disenfrachisement. CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #10
Harder to steal - they serve a purpose. Skwmom Jun 2016 #12
What purpose? Seems Bernie wants everyone to vote... until they don't vote for him. CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #13
No, not at all metroins Jun 2016 #14
Hillary struggled two runs in a row with then so...BAD!!! TheKentuckian Jun 2016 #16
Or they are undemocratic metroins Jun 2016 #17
Waaaaahhh....Clinton struggles, liberals win, ANTIDEMOCRATIC! TheKentuckian Jun 2016 #21
Clinton won, it's not about Clinton metroins Jun 2016 #22
No, they absolutely don't serve a purpose. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #18
He wants all primaries to be open in the future? Blue_Tires Jun 2016 #19
What does that actually mean? Like, what is he going to do, specifically? "Fight"? YouDig Jun 2016 #20
So it sounds like ... JoePhilly Jun 2016 #23
Make of it what I will? How's this? Atticus Jun 2016 #24
Very nice... k8conant Jun 2016 #29
He used remarks about Orlando to segue to his stump speech. Classless. CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #26
Not biting. MFM008 Jun 2016 #27
That's why they are called. deathrind Jun 2016 #28
What a guy RandySF Jun 2016 #30
He's full of himself to the point of making a fool of himself. dubyadiprecession Jun 2016 #31
Oh christ tgards79 Jun 2016 #32
No one asked him to. randome Jun 2016 #33
what principle is he fighting for? Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #34
The mainstream has decided to increase censorship felix_numinous Jun 2016 #36
The revolution is young, but growing. Orsino Jun 2016 #37
Bernie is acting like he's the only one with progressive principles Nonhlanhla Jun 2016 #38

apnu

(8,749 posts)
1. I don't think anybody expected him to stop his fight.
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 03:41 PM
Jun 2016

He'll go to the convention, no doubt about that. But as a good Democratic soldier. Bank on it now, Bernie's going to be all about bringing his people into the fold against Trump. He's been saying so since the California primary last week. Not directly, but in a thousand other signals. His eye is on stopping Trump right now. He always made it clear that the Democrats were the best path to attaining his goals and he's not changed his mind on that yet and I don't expect him to change his mind on that later. Bernie's no fool.

apnu

(8,749 posts)
3. Well those folks are living on Fantasy Island.
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 03:45 PM
Jun 2016

Bernie's going to continue to roar, I do hope the Democrats run with it.

robbedvoter

(28,290 posts)
4. So, is the D party expected to welcome the NRA in its midst?
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 03:46 PM
Jun 2016

I noticed the absence of 🔫🔫 in his Orlando statement. Gays too for that matter. ISIS only, like Trump.

KansDem

(28,498 posts)
5. "Unfortunately MSNBC decided to cut it off before he finished..."
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 03:48 PM
Jun 2016

I'm shocked! SHOCKED, I'll tell ya!!



It seems to be a pattern in this election.

Skwmom

(12,685 posts)
7. I don't see the reform of the Democratic Party going anywhere.
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 03:51 PM
Jun 2016

1. It is the party of Clinton, the ultimate establishment, corporatist, war hawk.

2. A party platform is nothing but words on a paper unless you can trust the nominee to fight for them.

3. I think they will use any fight over the platform to try to paint people that want the Democratic Party to return to a party of the people as left wing extremists and they will use it to try to attract Republicans and they will also use it to say there isn't much difference, (i.e., the stupid crap about we have the same goals but differ about how to get there).



Skwmom

(12,685 posts)
15. I think this article speaks volumes.
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 04:19 PM
Jun 2016

Sen. Bernie Sanders called Tuesday for new leadership at the Democratic National Committee and said the party's national convention in July needs to make it "crystal clear" Democrats stand with working people and the poor.

Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada called the meeting with Sanders "terrific."

"Sen Sanders took time to talk to us about his experiences. It was really very, very moving,“ Reid said.

Sanders said on Sunday's talk shows that he plans to speak with Clinton on Tuesday about the Democratic Party platform and whether she'll join him in making sure it stands up for working families and takes on Wall Street and big money influences.

Most Democrats want to see Sanders treated with respect and dignity, said Larry Sabato, director of the University of Virginia’s Center for Politics. But Sabato also said the nomination battle is over and Sanders "has to cooperate.” Tuesday's meeting with his Senate colleagues offers Sanders a good chance to transition to the role of “party unifier,” Sabato said. (AKA Reel in those votes).

So the corporate funded National Convention is going to convince us that the party stands with the working people and the poor.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/06/14/bernie-sanders-meet-senate-democrats-hillary-clinton/85826716/

metroins

(2,550 posts)
14. No, not at all
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 04:19 PM
Jun 2016

In today's society, they disenfranchise voting.

You know all the reasons, so I don't have to list them.

TheKentuckian

(25,018 posts)
16. Hillary struggled two runs in a row with then so...BAD!!!
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 04:39 PM
Jun 2016

Daggone it, those things seem to have some kind of liberal bias and we can't have that.

metroins

(2,550 posts)
17. Or they are undemocratic
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 04:50 PM
Jun 2016

Spending hours to vote.
Publicly declaring.
Disabled and elderly affected even more.

This is common sense stuff.

Grow up.

metroins

(2,550 posts)
22. Clinton won, it's not about Clinton
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 06:10 PM
Jun 2016

Just like NY should allow registrations closer to the election.

Caucuses are just a bad idea.

Lord Magus

(1,999 posts)
18. No, they absolutely don't serve a purpose.
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 05:21 PM
Jun 2016

Your argument is no different than the Republicans' call for strict photo ID requirements. Like those ID laws, the only "purpose" a caucus serves is to prevent people from voting. And you're using the same nonexistent threat of "fraud" to justify it.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
19. He wants all primaries to be open in the future?
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 05:26 PM
Jun 2016

What the hell would that solve?

And how would he expect to get that accomplished, since election rules are determined by the states themselves?

YouDig

(2,280 posts)
20. What does that actually mean? Like, what is he going to do, specifically? "Fight"?
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 05:32 PM
Jun 2016

During an election, fighting means making your case to voters, so that they elect you. There are no more elections left. It's all Clinton versus Trump now, those are the only two ways this can go.

I guess he could try to lobby superdelegates to thwart the voters, but that's not going to work at all, and also I don't think he would really sink that low.

If there were a national referendum coming up on single payer, then OK, but that's not how it works. We vote representatives into government, and they make the laws.

What is this "fighting" he's going to be doing?

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
23. So it sounds like ...
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 06:16 PM
Jun 2016

... he's also not saying he's fighting to win the nomination anymore, right?

Let's break this apart ....

He is going to the convention


Makes sense, he should go ...

... he is going to continue to fight for the principles he expressed in his campaign, and for reform of the Democratic Party and its electoral process.


Makes sense ... he can still do both of those, somewhat within the convention (prime time speech), and more realistically, after (doing what you describe is a longer term effort, and he should continue it).


while ALSO fighting to defeat Trump.


Which tactically, is critical. Trump wins, and the many things Bernie wants, slip farther away, again, just as what we saw when Bush "beat" Gore.

Atticus

(15,124 posts)
24. Make of it what I will? How's this?
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 09:31 PM
Jun 2016

Bernie started this campaign to push the party to the left. Like many others, I agreed with this and supported him early on. Over the course of several months, it seemed that Bernie had something in common with Trump: he could spout lofty ultimate goals but could not get past the "vague and fuzzy" stage when asked the logical question: "HOW would you accomplish what you say you will"?

When no specific plans or policy proposals were married to the promises, I peeled off my Bernie sticker and sent Hillary a check. I still agreed with what he said. I just no longer believed Bernie had what it takes to shove change through Congress. I decided that Hillary would accomplish much more of our liberal agenda. Not all of it. More of it than Bernie would.

So, now, the race is OVER. O-V-E-R. And, Bernie can't bear to concede the race to---HER! He can't bear to follow when his dream was to lead. He can't bear to see the lights dim, the mikes get pulled away and the parade move on.

He could have left gracefully with dignity and our gratitude. Now, I just want him to leave.

That's what I make of it.
























k8conant

(3,030 posts)
29. Very nice...
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 09:42 PM
Jun 2016

I'm waiting to hear Hillary's description of how she'll get thing done and if by chance those are progressive things.

RandySF

(58,443 posts)
30. What a guy
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 09:45 PM
Jun 2016

While Hillary and the president speak out against hatred towards the Muslim and LGBT communities, Bernie continues his crusade against super delegates and Debbie Wasserman-Schiltz.

tgards79

(1,415 posts)
32. Oh christ
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 09:52 PM
Jun 2016

Bernie is completely blowing it. He is already the forgotten man. Nobody mentions him anymore. And now he is not even helping. What a sad spectacle of a man who had a good run and can't stand to yield the spotlight. Totally ego driven. Hillary was a class act 8 years ago.

Demsrule86

(68,455 posts)
34. what principle is he fighting for?
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 10:01 PM
Jun 2016

The right to overturn an election? He is done...no matter what he does. A couple of weeks ago had he conceded and endorsed...he would have had influence...but now after the thumping in DC and California...he just is a sad person who can't stand losing...The time to worry about primary election law which is at the state level, by the way, is before a primary...not during a general election. The DNC does not oversee election laws. It is left to the states. Of course, Bernie is not a Democrat and all he knows is he lost and he can't deal with it.

felix_numinous

(5,198 posts)
36. The mainstream has decided to increase censorship
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 02:02 PM
Jun 2016

instead of having adult conversations about life or death issues to millions of people, so we will have to work around this sick culture to heal it. Mostly we have to recondition ourselves NOT to listen to propaganda, it is getting progressively worse.

I am less angry at people who have fallen under their spell than those whose business has been to study and deconstruct the American population for their own ends. It is insidious and evil to turn brothers and sisters against each other who in actuality share much more common ground than differ, but that's how they roll.

I am very happy that SO MANY people are awake and active today, inspired to choose to clear another path than the ones chosen for us. There are those who wish to take our choices, voices, votes away from us in an attempt to erase us from national discourse, while our fight to be heard includes them. I choose not to hate people I disagree with, but hate the methods, the culture and the behavior it inspires in people.

It is natural not to like some people and dislike others, all life behaves such, but it is what we DO with our nature that sets cultures up as advanced or primitive--which has nothing to do with technology. Cultures containing safeguards that protect the innocent individual against mob violence ADMIT that it is IN OUR NATURE to dislike some people and contain parameters preventing us from ACTING on these emotions.

Our Constitution and inalienable rights mean nothing if we do not honor them, THIS is what made America great, why people have fought and died to get to this land--simply because it was safe to be themselves and speak honestly amidst diversity.





Orsino

(37,428 posts)
37. The revolution is young, but growing.
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 02:05 PM
Jun 2016

A lot more politicians are going to be rediscovering those same principles in the coming years, or they are going to be unemployed.

Nonhlanhla

(2,074 posts)
38. Bernie is acting like he's the only one with progressive principles
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 03:00 PM
Jun 2016

And he's losing a lot of people's respect in the process including that of some people who voted for him.

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