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Renew Deal

(81,847 posts)
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 12:27 AM Jun 2016

1991: "Democratic lawmaker criticizes Bernie Sanders"

Barney Frank figured out Bernie Sanders in 1991. This gives context into Bernie's current behavior. Overplaying his hand, alienating allies, demagoguery, and a general lack of effectiveness is Bernie's life story.

Democratic lawmaker criticizes Bernie Sanders.

When the House Banking Committee approved an amendment to the Banking Reform Act last month dealing with affordable housing, U.S. Rep. Bernard Sanders took credit.

In a news release and later press conference, Sanders hailed the adoption of the amendment he sponsored as "a victory for creative partnerships aimed at meeting our country's urgent housing needs."

But US Rep. Barney Frank, a senior members of the committee, says the proposal nearly died -- solely because it was sponsored by Sanders.

"Frankly, we got it passed in spite of him," he said.

Frank said Sanders had upset so many committee members with his sweeping speeches against the overall bill and attacking banks as enemies of the people and bankers as crooks that it was difficult to get enough Democratic votes to pass the amendment.

"Even Henry Gonzalez was offended by Bernie's remarks," said Frank.

Gonzalez, a Democrat is the chairman of the House Banking Committee. Frank called Gonzalez, who was the first Mexican American ever elected to the House, one of the most progressive members in the House, noting that he had introduced impeachment resolutions against both presidents Reagan and Bush.

"When you provoke Henry Gonzalez to attack you, that is an indication of the problems Bernie provokes," said Frank.

"This place is not working," said Sanders. "It is failing. Change is not going to take place until many hundreds of these people are thrown out of the offices. That by definition creates a bit of friction."

"Within the committee, people will disagree with my point of view or agree with my point of view," said Sanders. "In terms of the S&L bailout, for example, I was propelled to be one of the leaders of the opposition. No one said we can't work with Bernie Sanders. I don't think that is a problem."

Frank is one of the more liberal members of the House. He was an opponent of the Persian Gulf War and is a strong proponent of civil rights legislation. He said he had been looking forward to Sanders' arrival in Congress, but has been deeply disappointed by Sanders' tactics and style.

"Bernie alienates his natural allies," he said. "He is completely ineffective as a lobbyist because he offends just about everyone else -- really undercuts his effectiveness,"
said Frank.

"To him, anybody who disagrees with him is a crook; there are no honest disagreements with people. Bernie's view of the world is that the great majority of the people agree with him on all the issues and the only reason he does not win is that the Congress is crooked."


Frank said that while Sanders' status as an independent hampers him in the House, it is Sanders' personality that causes him his greatest problems.

"Being an independent makes you less influential," said Frank. He exacerbates that by how he is an independent."

Frank said he disagrees with Sanders' statements that there are no differences between Democrats and Republicans. "Issue after issue, tax reform, civil rights, we see big differences," said Frank.

"Democrats saved Bernie's housing amendment in committee; the republicans didn't do that."

Frank contrasted Sanders style with the US Rep. Ronald Dellums, D-Calif, a very liberal member Franks described as effective.

https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=2457&dat=19910712&id=vqJJAAAAIBAJ&sjid=Xg0NAAAAIBAJ&pg=4293,3641940&hl=en
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1991: "Democratic lawmaker criticizes Bernie Sanders" (Original Post) Renew Deal Jun 2016 OP
Pretty much the same thing... tallahasseedem Jun 2016 #1
still trying to convince people, eh? choie Jun 2016 #2
+1 stlsaxman Jun 2016 #34
And now Frank is a Wall Street lobbyist. lumberjack_jeff Jun 2016 #3
+10,000 nt Live and Learn Jun 2016 #6
Exactly! RufusTFirefly Jun 2016 #9
I really loved the part of Frank playing Hero AFTER the Crash of 2007 FreakinDJ Jun 2016 #14
Oh? What lobbying firm does he work for? PeaceNikki Jun 2016 #17
He's on the Signature Bank board of directors. lumberjack_jeff Jun 2016 #44
Yeah, he's not a lobbyist. PeaceNikki Jun 2016 #47
Bankster, not lobbyist. I stand corrected. n/t lumberjack_jeff Jun 2016 #48
Yep, Bernie was right then and he's right now. Banks are enemies of the people. Scuba Jun 2016 #25
Yep, true colors show Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #28
I think Barney Frank should be Hillary's VP choice azurnoir Jun 2016 #4
I saw Sanders very early in the campaign before he took off. madaboutharry Jun 2016 #5
Good gawd, I find your story completely unbelievable. Bernie is a very nice man and much Live and Learn Jun 2016 #7
You find it? madaboutharry Jun 2016 #11
Well, I have met him if that is what you mean and he is extremely personable and down to earth. Live and Learn Jun 2016 #18
Personal attacks are inappropriate. madaboutharry Jun 2016 #21
Not an attack, just something you might want to ponder. Live and Learn Jun 2016 #22
And I think that's the poster that wouldn't use a LGBT solidarity image because it didn't say Bernie Number23 Jun 2016 #49
Careful, you're dangerously close to disparaging Dear Leader there. CorkySt.Clair Jun 2016 #15
I can't believe this bullshit was allowed to stay. BlueStater Jun 2016 #36
I'm sorry you feel that way. CorkySt.Clair Jun 2016 #40
Got any more putrid crap to say about Sanders and his supporters? BlueStater Jun 2016 #43
Actually, I do. CorkySt.Clair Jun 2016 #46
Your jury results justiceischeap Jun 2016 #41
Oh, yes. BlueStater Jun 2016 #42
I wonder how Sanders got to be the most popular US Senator iif he is so unpleasant? Fumesucker Jun 2016 #20
I wonder why (no longer, actually) Sanders had fewer endorsements than Ted Cruz. randome Jun 2016 #32
I guess those 80 percent of people in his home state must hate him too Armstead Jun 2016 #30
Banker Barney talking trash. jalan48 Jun 2016 #8
yes yes, I get it Bernie bad Lazy Daisy Jun 2016 #10
Didn't you hear Bernie caused the War whistler162 Jun 2016 #24
Not an easy person to work with KingFlorez Jun 2016 #12
Barney thinks Bernie is too frank! immoderate Jun 2016 #13
Wow. Nailed it to the wall. ucrdem Jun 2016 #16
And nothing has changed after all this time. That's the Idealogue approach. OnDoutside Jun 2016 #27
only thing to change- Franks job... stlsaxman Jun 2016 #35
So much for "moving to the General" huh? Scootaloo Jun 2016 #19
Makes perfect sense. nt eastwestdem Jun 2016 #23
So Barney Frank was defending banksters way back in 1991. How did I miss that? Scuba Jun 2016 #26
I think Barney was just jealous that there was someone grouchier than him in Congress Armstead Jun 2016 #29
Frank is disgusting. He's a fraud. cali Jun 2016 #31
There is one thing I've always noticed about Barney Frank. He's got a gigantic ego. Vinca Jun 2016 #33
"To him, anybody who disagrees with him is a crook; there are no honest disagreements with people." Tarc Jun 2016 #37
I'm so grateful Bernie has been there holding them accountable. aikoaiko Jun 2016 #38
Barney Frank, the Banksters' Friend? Octafish Jun 2016 #39
Sanders was right then, Sanders is right now. TheKentuckian Jun 2016 #45

choie

(4,107 posts)
2. still trying to convince people, eh?
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 12:37 AM
Jun 2016

The Sanders' supporters who have decided not to vote for Clinton are probably not going to change their minds. So attempts at villifying Bernie by using a shill for the banking industry ain't gonna work...

 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
3. And now Frank is a Wall Street lobbyist.
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 12:38 AM
Jun 2016

And Bernie is still Bernie.

This goes a long way toward validating Sanders view that there are no differences between Democrats and Republicans. They're both paid the same by lobbying firms upon retirement from public office.

RufusTFirefly

(8,812 posts)
9. Exactly!
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 12:46 AM
Jun 2016

Bernie is apparently incorruptible.
That makes a lot of people uncomfortable.
After all, that's not how Washington works.

 

FreakinDJ

(17,644 posts)
14. I really loved the part of Frank playing Hero AFTER the Crash of 2007
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 01:04 AM
Jun 2016

Came running to reign in all those Nasty Banksters and wrote enough Loop Holes into the Bill Nothing changed

 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
44. He's on the Signature Bank board of directors.
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 10:30 AM
Jun 2016

I can edit my OP to say "Wall Street Executive" if you wish.

madaboutharry

(40,190 posts)
5. I saw Sanders very early in the campaign before he took off.
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 12:39 AM
Jun 2016

It was a relatively small school auditorium and I was just a few feet away from him. You could feel the crankiness and the bristle of his personality. It hung in the air. The thought that went through my mind was that he must be a very unpleasant man to be around on a daily basis. He brings many good ideas to the table but there is such a deep surliness going that I would think his professional relationships must be very difficult. The campaign has revealed that he inflexible and sees things in black and white. I don't think those are good qualities in a president.

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
7. Good gawd, I find your story completely unbelievable. Bernie is a very nice man and much
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 12:41 AM
Jun 2016

more personable than Hillary if you aren't rich.

madaboutharry

(40,190 posts)
11. You find it?
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 12:47 AM
Jun 2016

Are you personal friends with him? How do you know if he is a very nice man?

I found him exactly the way I described. It seems a lot of his colleagues in Washington find him to be the same since almost none of them endorsed him.

And I think it's a shame because he is right about many things.

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
18. Well, I have met him if that is what you mean and he is extremely personable and down to earth.
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 01:38 AM
Jun 2016

Nearly everyone finds him genuine and caring. And yes, he is passionate about fighting for the rights of all people but that is just a big plus.

Perhaps you were viewing him through cracked glasses and the negativity you felt emanated from within your own being.


Life is a mirror and will reflect back to the thinker what he thinks into it. Ernest Holmes

Number23

(24,544 posts)
49. And I think that's the poster that wouldn't use a LGBT solidarity image because it didn't say Bernie
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 04:05 AM
Jun 2016

on it. So take the comment about crap "emanating from within" with a massive grain of salt.

BlueStater

(7,596 posts)
43. Got any more putrid crap to say about Sanders and his supporters?
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 10:17 AM
Jun 2016

You've said they want "free stuff". You've called him a name widely used for the dictator of North Korea. Why don't you just call him a fucking Nazi that eats babies and be done with it?

justiceischeap

(14,040 posts)
41. Your jury results
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 10:06 AM
Jun 2016

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BlueStater

(7,596 posts)
42. Oh, yes.
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 10:12 AM
Jun 2016

Outrage that a post comparing Bernie Sanders to the dictator of North Korea on this website was allowed to stay is a "tantrum with a simple minded statement". Not that I'm surprised. This place has been going downhill for awhile now.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
20. I wonder how Sanders got to be the most popular US Senator iif he is so unpleasant?
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 01:45 AM
Jun 2016
http://www.newsweek.com/bernie-sanders-most-popular-senator-453479

The list, released Thursday, shows the Vermont senator with an approval rating of 80 percent. This marks the second time the company has found Sanders atop the senatorial heap: the last time the firm released its findings, in November 2015, he also took the top spot.


Recall that Vermont is a small state so a higher percentage of Vermonters have personally met Bernie than is true of larger states and their legislators.
 

randome

(34,845 posts)
32. I wonder why (no longer, actually) Sanders had fewer endorsements than Ted Cruz.
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 06:58 AM
Jun 2016

The article -make of the source as you will- sounds authentic because it explains Sanders' lack of camaraderie with his colleagues.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
30. I guess those 80 percent of people in his home state must hate him too
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 06:45 AM
Jun 2016

In a state like Vermont, where politics is personal and small scale, voters get a more personal bead on politicians.

They don';t seem to find him unbearabl;e, as they keep reelecting him, and gave him over 80 percent vote of confidence in the primary.

But maybe they're just sending him to DC to get him out of their hair.

 

Lazy Daisy

(928 posts)
10. yes yes, I get it Bernie bad
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 12:47 AM
Jun 2016

BTW how much do you think we as a country are going to pay in legal fees keeping Hillary in office?

KingFlorez

(12,689 posts)
12. Not an easy person to work with
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 12:52 AM
Jun 2016

Regardless of issues, Sanders thinks that he is better than everyone and that everyone else is some sort of insane crook colluding with the banks. Not that it matters now, because he lost and thank goodness that he did.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
29. I think Barney was just jealous that there was someone grouchier than him in Congress
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 06:41 AM
Jun 2016

Grouchy Barney has no business giving anyone lessons in civility and good manners.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
31. Frank is disgusting. He's a fraud.
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 06:47 AM
Jun 2016

And he's always been horribly and weirdly jealous of Bernie.

I said fuck frank years ago. I have nothing else to add about that fraud.

Vinca

(50,237 posts)
33. There is one thing I've always noticed about Barney Frank. He's got a gigantic ego.
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 07:18 AM
Jun 2016

He dislikes anyone stealing his thunder. I think he's always been well intentioned, but what he actually got done re Wall Street reform is pretty tame stuff. I think Barney is cranky that Bernie has put the gap between rich and poor up in neon lights for everyone to see. Barney did nothing to bridge that canyon. He ought to head back to Ogunquit and enjoy his retirement.

Tarc

(10,472 posts)
37. "To him, anybody who disagrees with him is a crook; there are no honest disagreements with people."
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 08:40 AM
Jun 2016

25 years ago, Barney Frank described the last ~6 months of the DU.

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