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brooklynite

(94,489 posts)
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 09:45 AM Jun 2016

NBC: Bernie Sanders hasn't played his hand well -- at all

NBC News:

Well, the 2016 primary season came to an end last night with Hillary Clinton beating Bernie Sanders in DC, 79%-21%. And it came to an end without Sanders conceding or endorsing Clinton, although the two met last night and released positive-sounding statements.

Here's the reality: Sanders hasn't played his hand well. Many of his demands from yesterday (wanting Debbie Wasserman Schultz out of the DNC, ending superdelegates, having more open primaries) seem small. By not conceding a race he trails by every measure possible, he seems even smaller. And smaller still is the real leverage he holds, especially after losing eight out of the last 11 contests, after Obama and Warren have already endorsed Clinton, and after polls show Clinton increasing her lead over Trump.

The irony here is that Sanders already won -- he performed better than anyone imagined, and he already effectively moved Clinton and her campaign to the left. But one of the arts in politics is declaring victory after you've already won. But Sanders continues to march on… Here's the delegate math after last night's DC primary:

In pledged delegates, Clinton is ahead by 392 delegates

Clinton 2,217 (55%)
Sanders 1,825 (45%)
In overall delegates (pledged + super), Clinton leads by 925 delegates
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NBC: Bernie Sanders hasn't played his hand well -- at all (Original Post) brooklynite Jun 2016 OP
good thing these types of posts stop here after 16th.... HumanityExperiment Jun 2016 #1
In what sense? auntpurl Jun 2016 #14
So it's not attacking Bernie is your premise? HumanityExperiment Jun 2016 #17
I mean, I didn't post the OP. auntpurl Jun 2016 #18
yay.. sure... press that perception after tomorrow and see what happens HumanityExperiment Jun 2016 #21
Ok. nt auntpurl Jun 2016 #23
You're certainly free to try, but Tarc Jun 2016 #42
not 'bitter' nor 'disappointed'... HumanityExperiment Jun 2016 #45
Bernie is not a Democrat leftofcool Jun 2016 #53
Is that your defense? is that the loophole you wish to exploit after tomorrow? HumanityExperiment Jun 2016 #56
Because Hillary may want Bernie supporters to vote for her Red Knight Jun 2016 #19
I wasn't saying whether I thought this kind of OP is the best course of action for my candidate auntpurl Jun 2016 #22
GDP will be closed after the 15.. stonecutter357 Jun 2016 #38
Yes, I know that. auntpurl Jun 2016 #40
They don't stop LoverOfLiberty Jun 2016 #20
'comfort' isn't the isue now is it... but feel free to press this type of post after tomorrow HumanityExperiment Jun 2016 #24
I don't understand you LoverOfLiberty Jun 2016 #27
feel free to press posts you feel don't cross the line in your perception... HumanityExperiment Jun 2016 #34
Indeed I will LoverOfLiberty Jun 2016 #36
We will and it will be acceptable. leftofcool Jun 2016 #54
no it won't there was explicit instructions presented by Skinner... HumanityExperiment Jun 2016 #58
It's a news article. We won't have to stop posting news articles. n/t Lil Missy Jun 2016 #65
How you frame them and how you post will be monitored and shut down if you cross that line... HumanityExperiment Jun 2016 #66
BTW... HumanityExperiment Jun 2016 #67
Very, very amateurish. He has zero leverage left. tonyt53 Jun 2016 #2
LOL. JonLeibowitz Jun 2016 #4
I live in the real world. Bernie will get a smile and a handshake and that is it. tonyt53 Jun 2016 #28
Name a few things metroins Jun 2016 #31
You assume the corporate wing ever had an intention of brokering an honest deal with the left. JonLeibowitz Jun 2016 #51
He's lost his leverage nt metroins Jun 2016 #59
NBC doesn't spend any time considering whether Clinton is amenable to a center-left agenda JonLeibowitz Jun 2016 #3
Why so bitter? GeorgeGist Jun 2016 #5
I think it is something in Bernie's personality few were aware of until this primary. MoonRiver Jun 2016 #61
Similar to what I was commenting on last night.. DCBob Jun 2016 #6
But when Clinton is persistent, it's a virtue? Armstead Jun 2016 #41
I and others are beginning to lose interest in Bernie and his demands. DCBob Jun 2016 #43
There was never any interest from the beginning in the institutional party Armstead Jun 2016 #46
After the first convention vote count, when Hillary wins the nomination by a landslide, MoonRiver Jun 2016 #7
OH look a negative article about Sanders from NBC hollysmom Jun 2016 #8
As if negative articles about Bernie are the rule, huh? charlyvi Jun 2016 #15
He was babied by the media for months. CorkySt.Clair Jun 2016 #29
Ignored = babied? Which dictionary states that? floriduck Jun 2016 #55
Not playing into your hand is not playing well for you floppyboo Jun 2016 #9
45% w4rma Jun 2016 #37
Happily stand corrected! floppyboo Jun 2016 #44
Also, the delegate difference should close a bit, after California is done counting in 3 weeks. (nt) w4rma Jun 2016 #50
"primary voters" /= "delegates" TwilightZone Jun 2016 #57
He seems like a bitter man workinclasszero Jun 2016 #10
They're right. Looking at the news, trends, etc, why do they need to accede to Bernie? CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #11
yes, those trends showing Hillary the most dis-liked democrat EVER? Those ones? floppyboo Jun 2016 #47
Hard to play a hand when the dealer is using a cold deck. hobbit709 Jun 2016 #12
What were the pledged delegate totals, in the end? auntpurl Jun 2016 #13
Newly minted Democrat Protalker Jun 2016 #16
I'm curious about this 'party faithful' floppyboo Jun 2016 #25
Bernie who? nt geek tragedy Jun 2016 #26
+1000 stonecutter357 Jun 2016 #39
Why do hillary supporters continue to post rude stuff about bernie??? Logical Jun 2016 #30
Corporat media:"woohoo! We helped get rid of the socialist!" Triana Jun 2016 #32
tick tock one more day nt geek tragedy Jun 2016 #49
Hehe, I like that you actually comment proudly about how you don't have to be confronted with JCanete Jun 2016 #64
Maybe if he had some more corporate consultants? Octafish Jun 2016 #33
Lots of politicians promise to stay in until the end, but few do. Bernie is doing fine. aikoaiko Jun 2016 #35
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2016 #48
You're late to the party. These talking points are stale. arcane1 Jun 2016 #62
Less than one full day left. Have at it until then. floriduck Jun 2016 #52
Self-contradictory story contradicts itself. Orsino Jun 2016 #60
This is not a story. This is propaganda. JCanete Jun 2016 #63
I can't believe the right wing corporate media is disrespecting Bernie! Doctor_J Jun 2016 #68

auntpurl

(4,311 posts)
14. In what sense?
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 09:57 AM
Jun 2016

This is a legitimate source discussing Bernie's course of action. It's not attacking any Democrat. Why would it be banned after tomorrow?

auntpurl

(4,311 posts)
18. I mean, I didn't post the OP.
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 09:59 AM
Jun 2016

But yes, it's clearly not an attack on Bernie, it's a discussion of his course of action and whether it's wise or not.

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
42. You're certainly free to try, but
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 10:35 AM
Jun 2016

if you think this sort of post is going to be out-of-bounds tomorrow, prepare for some bitter disappointment

 

HumanityExperiment

(1,442 posts)
45. not 'bitter' nor 'disappointed'...
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 10:38 AM
Jun 2016

just noticing a trend by HRC supporters and their posts on DU today...

Red Knight

(704 posts)
19. Because Hillary may want Bernie supporters to vote for her
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 10:01 AM
Jun 2016

Bashing Bernie doesn't help that cause. It just creates more anger and people may well just say, "screw it."

But if you don't care, at least don't say you weren't warned.

auntpurl

(4,311 posts)
22. I wasn't saying whether I thought this kind of OP is the best course of action for my candidate
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 10:02 AM
Jun 2016

I was replying to the other poster who said this kind of post would be banned after tomorrow. I don't think it will be.

auntpurl

(4,311 posts)
40. Yes, I know that.
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 10:27 AM
Jun 2016

But we will still have GD: Elections, and I believe these sorts of posts will still be allowed.

LoverOfLiberty

(1,438 posts)
20. They don't stop
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 10:01 AM
Jun 2016

You don't get to censor what a major news source says just because you find it uncomfortable.

LoverOfLiberty

(1,438 posts)
27. I don't understand you
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 10:06 AM
Jun 2016

Criticism of any Democrat (or any other politician) isn't what is the problem here. It is the slander, innuendos, outright lies, CT, and Republican talking points about our candidates that is the problem.

 

HumanityExperiment

(1,442 posts)
34. feel free to press posts you feel don't cross the line in your perception...
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 10:15 AM
Jun 2016

after tomorrow, I'll let the reality of the new rules clarify the new 'understanding'

 

HumanityExperiment

(1,442 posts)
58. no it won't there was explicit instructions presented by Skinner...
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 11:06 AM
Jun 2016

you are looking for a loophole in what Skinner posted... you won't fare well after tomorrow if you try to exploit a 'loophole' that's not there

 

tonyt53

(5,737 posts)
28. I live in the real world. Bernie will get a smile and a handshake and that is it.
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 10:06 AM
Jun 2016

He has zero leverage. By not conceding now, the lost most credibility and it is very apparent that he is a bitter person. Of course, he might need to keep raising funds to pay his campaign debt.

metroins

(2,550 posts)
31. Name a few things
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 10:09 AM
Jun 2016

He'll get accomolished.

Bernie outlined 3 things. Which of them will his leverage get done?

He played poorly.

JonLeibowitz

(6,282 posts)
51. You assume the corporate wing ever had an intention of brokering an honest deal with the left.
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 10:56 AM
Jun 2016

I do not believe they ever did, so I reject the premise of your question. The only way to make progress is to force concessions (unless you won -- and then you govern)

JonLeibowitz

(6,282 posts)
3. NBC doesn't spend any time considering whether Clinton is amenable to a center-left agenda
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 09:47 AM
Jun 2016

That too when she is a centrist candidate. Sanders has done a lot already by succeeding with placing progressives on the platform committee. Last night's meeting was about what issues Clinton would personally embrace (since the platform is a piece of paper).

I see this NBC "analysis" as fairly myopic.

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
61. I think it is something in Bernie's personality few were aware of until this primary.
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 11:59 AM
Jun 2016

Now the world knows.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
6. Similar to what I was commenting on last night..
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 09:48 AM
Jun 2016
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512186270

Bernie seems to have blown his chance to actually make a difference by dragging this out to the bitter end and becoming increasingly irrelevant.
 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
41. But when Clinton is persistent, it's a virtue?
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 10:31 AM
Jun 2016

And when her ambition is criticized it's sexist?

But Bernie fighting make sure that 43 percent of the primary voters will continue to be represented and fought for it is a bad thing?

He has toned down his personal campaigning against Clinton to almost nothing. He is pressing for the points he made in his campaign on issues and the need for political reform.

I think even a lot of Clinton supporters don't disagree with him that DWS has not done a good job, and should be replaced at some point.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
43. I and others are beginning to lose interest in Bernie and his demands.
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 10:36 AM
Jun 2016

Its time to focus on the general election and Trump. Bernie is increasingly becoming a distraction.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
46. There was never any interest from the beginning in the institutional party
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 10:39 AM
Jun 2016

And, i guess, among many individuals.

But 43 percent is a substantial number of people who were and hopefully will continue to care about what Bernie has been fighting to inject into the larger political dialogue.

Yes the GOP has to be stopped....Always. But there is a lot more at stake and a lot more issues involved than just the Bad GOP.

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
7. After the first convention vote count, when Hillary wins the nomination by a landslide,
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 09:51 AM
Jun 2016

I suspect he'll be pretty much ignored. People will be polite of course, but that's about it.

hollysmom

(5,946 posts)
8. OH look a negative article about Sanders from NBC
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 09:52 AM
Jun 2016

it is like reading the Washington Post.

this will so help in unifying the democrats and encourage getting money out of politics.

charlyvi

(6,537 posts)
15. As if negative articles about Bernie are the rule, huh?
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 09:58 AM
Jun 2016
http://shorensteincenter.org


A new report from Harvard Kennedy School’s Shorenstein Center on Media, Politics and Public Policy analyzes news coverage of the 2016 presidential candidates in the year leading up to the primaries. This crucial period, labeled “the invisible primary” by political scientists, is when candidates try to lay the groundwork for a winning campaign—with media exposure often playing a make or break role.

The report shows that during the year 2015, major news outlets covered Donald Trump in a way that was unusual given his low initial polling numbers—a high volume of media coverage preceded Trump’s rise in the polls. Trump’s coverage was positive in tone—he received far more “good press” than “bad press.” The volume and tone of the coverage helped propel Trump to the top of Republican polls.

The Democratic race in 2015 received less than half the coverage of the Republican race. Bernie Sanders’ campaign was largely ignored in the early months but, as it began to get coverage, it was overwhelmingly positive in tone. Sanders’ coverage in 2015 was the most favorable of any of the top candidates, Republican or Democratic. For her part, Hillary Clinton had by far the most negative coverage of any candidate. In 11 of the 12 months, her “bad news” outpaced her “good news,” usually by a wide margin, contributing to the increase in her unfavorable poll ratings in 2015.

The Shorenstein Center study is based on an analysis of thousands of news statements by CBS, Fox, the Los Angeles Times, NBC, The New York Times, USA Today, The Wall Street Journal, and The Washington Post. The study’s data were provided by Media Tenor, a firm that specializes in the content analysis of news coverage.

floppyboo

(2,461 posts)
9. Not playing into your hand is not playing well for you
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 09:52 AM
Jun 2016

And aside from endorsing 'Not Trump' you should perhaps not expect anything else. 43% of primary voters likely feel you shouldn't. Anything more you have to earn. A certain attitude is required when making friends. Plenty of self-help books out there.

 

w4rma

(31,700 posts)
50. Also, the delegate difference should close a bit, after California is done counting in 3 weeks. (nt)
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 10:54 AM
Jun 2016

floppyboo

(2,461 posts)
47. yes, those trends showing Hillary the most dis-liked democrat EVER? Those ones?
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 10:40 AM
Jun 2016

Even the 'party faithful' are holding their noses.

Protalker

(418 posts)
16. Newly minted Democrat
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 09:58 AM
Jun 2016

He used the party rather than run third party. I am cool with that, but selecting our nominee is a decision for party faithful. If you register Democrat you have a say. His views are beliefs I share, but without support just air.

floppyboo

(2,461 posts)
25. I'm curious about this 'party faithful'
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 10:03 AM
Jun 2016

I thought one of the goals of the party was to expand its base?

 

Triana

(22,666 posts)
32. Corporat media:"woohoo! We helped get rid of the socialist!"
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 10:10 AM
Jun 2016

It's not so much a slam on Sanders is it is self-contratulatory on the part of the media which much preferred Clinton (whom we know won't force them to pay/pay their fair share of taxes once in office since she is a big proponent of corporate welfare and he isn't).

Just some perspective on that.

So yea, keep celebrating your entrenched Oligarchy like blinkered sheep to slaughter. It's unfortunate the rest of us get dragged along too. Everyone loses. Except GE of course. And the Koch bros. And Wall St and the MiC and PiC and Big Pharma, Big Insurance, Big AG and the Saudis. All of them win. And win BIG. ...except We the People.

Yee ha.

 

JCanete

(5,272 posts)
64. Hehe, I like that you actually comment proudly about how you don't have to be confronted with
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 01:49 PM
Jun 2016

inconvenient truths anymore after tomorrow. Cognitive dissonance is painful. Best to just live in the bubble of your own narrative. But whatever will you do after you can't post such thorough, and so very thought provoking comments about Sanders and the Sanders camp? What will we do without all that wisdom?

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
33. Maybe if he had some more corporate consultants?
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 10:12 AM
Jun 2016

You know, the kind who know how to buy lots of advertising on COMCAST?

aikoaiko

(34,165 posts)
35. Lots of politicians promise to stay in until the end, but few do. Bernie is doing fine.
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 10:18 AM
Jun 2016

This is what it looks like when a liberal behave as a sheepdog for the more conservative wing of the party and its terribly inconvenient for them.

Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
60. Self-contradictory story contradicts itself.
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 11:47 AM
Jun 2016

It's probably not easy to grasp what Sanders is fighting for, but this story manages to fuck it up even after identifying the most significant victory: cleaner campaign financing and the demonstrable success it yielded without celebrity or a party's Establishment defaulting support to another candidate.

"By not conceding a race he trails by every measure possible" is another contradiction, and merely shows us the edges of a writer's comfort zone.

 

JCanete

(5,272 posts)
63. This is not a story. This is propaganda.
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 01:37 PM
Jun 2016

Just the Main Stream Media continuing to rewrite the context of Sander's campaign and its purpose. "he won by moving Clinton to the left." First of all, what fucking fantasy is that shit? He didn't move her to the left. He forced her to alter her rhetoric some. And for the favor, her surrogates and the media did everything they could to tarnish the man's history and record, painting him as a candidate for white voters so as to diminish every early win, talking out the sides of their mouth about how he wasn't a "real democrat" even while they supposedly "welcomed him with open arms," and twisting his votes on the auto-bailout and the gun lawsuits.

What Bernie has done, and is continuing to do, while he has the resources to do it, is to bring his message to people across the United States who would otherwise not hear it. What the media is doing, because it hates his message, is trying to discredit the man. Discredit the man, discredit the message.

So kudos brooklynite, for continuing to do your part to support the corporatocracy.



 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
68. I can't believe the right wing corporate media is disrespecting Bernie!
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 03:46 PM
Jun 2016


They've been in the bag for Hillary since before she announced that she was a candidate
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