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niyad

(113,074 posts)
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 11:32 AM Jun 2016

The most thorough, profound and moving defense of Hillary Clinton I have ever seen.


The most thorough, profound and moving defense of Hillary Clinton I have ever seen.

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First of all — this is not my writing. It's a Facebook post by someone I don’t even know, a man named Michael Arnovitz in Portland OR. But as a Facebook post it passes the fair use test and I’m quite certain he would not object that I share it here (he doesn’t). The original Facebook post is here: www.facebook.com/… So without further ado, it’s truly worth the read:

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"In the course of a single conversation, I have been assured that Hillary is cunning and manipulative but also crass, clueless, and stunningly impolitic; that she is a hopelessly woolly-headed do-gooder and, at heart, a hardball litigator; that she is a base opportunist and a zealot convinced that God is on her side. What emerges is a cultural inventory of villainy rather than a plausible depiction of an actual person." —Henry Louis Gates The quote above comes from a fascinating article called “Hating Hillary”, written by Gates for the New Yorker in 1996. Even now, 20 years after it was first published, it’s a fascinating and impressive piece, and if you have a few spare moments I strongly recommend it to you. (www.newyorker.com/...)

And I’m reading pieces like this because now that Hillary has (essentially if not officially) won the Democratic Primary, I have become increasingly fascinated by the way so many people react to her. In truth, I sometimes think that I find that as interesting as Hillary herself. And I can’t help but notice that many of the reactions she receives seem to reflect what Gates referred to as “a cultural inventory of villainy” rather than any realistic assessment of who she really is and what she has really done. To conservatives she is a radical left-wing insurgent who has on multiple occasions been compared to Mikhail Suslov, the Soviet Kremlin’s long-time Chief of Ideology. To many progressives (you know who you are), she is a Republican fox in Democratic sheep’s clothing, a shill for Wall Street who doesn’t give a damn about the working class. The fact that these views could not possibly apply to the same person does not seem to give either side pause. Hillary haters on the right and the left seem perfectly happy to maintain their mutually incompatible delusions about why she is awful. The only thing both teams seem to share is the insistence that Hillary is a Machiavellian conspirator and implacable liar, unworthy of society’s trust.

And this claim of unabated mendacity is particularly interesting, because while it is not the oldest defamation aimed at Hillary, it is the one that most effortlessly glides across partisan lines. Indeed, for a surprisingly large percentage of the electorate, the claim that Hillary is innately dishonest is simply accepted as a given. It is an accusation and conviction so ingrained in the conversation about her that any attempt to even question it is often met with shock. And yet here’s the thing: it’s not actually true. Politifact, the Pulitzer prize-winning fact-checking project, determined for example that Hillary was actually the most truthful candidate (of either Party) in the 2016 election season. And in general Politifact has determined that Hillary is more honest than most (but not all) politicians they have tracked over the years.

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The most thorough, profound and moving defense of Hillary Clinton I have ever seen. (Original Post) niyad Jun 2016 OP
I hear the same talking points over and over from those anti Hillary shills Sheepshank Jun 2016 #1
so very true. niyad Jun 2016 #2
. . . niyad Jun 2016 #3
The Hillary Haters here could find a scandal in Hillary's grade school report card. n/t Lil Missy Jun 2016 #4
sadly, you are quite correct. niyad Jun 2016 #5
Stop misrepresenting Berners. They're not Hillary Haters. You're thinking of Republicans. ancianita Jun 2016 #9
I'm not reading the shit on Republican websites. I'm seeing it here. n/t Lil Missy Jun 2016 #10
I'm read what you're reading. It's nowhere near hate, nevermind the shallow labels Hillers give it. ancianita Jun 2016 #12
comprehension is everything. niyad Jun 2016 #28
Consciousness and context are everything. ancianita Jun 2016 #31
they are indeed, for everyone. niyad Jun 2016 #34
Not sure where you have been, but the Bernie supporters here on DU are insufferable. AgadorSparticus Jun 2016 #13
Oh, please. I read them all the time. At least they're not tit-for-tat tag teaming on cheap OP hits. ancianita Jun 2016 #15
Yes they are. AgadorSparticus Jun 2016 #20
Empty, baseless claim. You made it. Prove it. ancianita Jun 2016 #21
I just searched this thread because I was going to post this and didn't want to dupe. :) moriah Jun 2016 #39
If you're equating Bernie supporters with Hillary haters, that was you, not Lil Missy. moriah Jun 2016 #37
Exactly!! nt eastwestdem Jun 2016 #11
. . . niyad Jun 2016 #6
Let's look at her career highlights Stinky The Clown Jun 2016 #7
thank you so much for that excellent post. niyad Jun 2016 #24
Long, but very much worth the read. joshcryer Jun 2016 #8
Lol, Hillary is obviously dishonest. Only the willfully blind can't see that. Vattel Jun 2016 #14
Obvious omission of the biggest issue - global warming Arazi Jun 2016 #16
Not to mention the IWR. And the sections explaining away the inluence and corruption Live and Learn Jun 2016 #19
This message was self-deleted by its author vintx Jun 2016 #29
K&R betsuni Jun 2016 #17
This is a great article. Thanks for posting. nt eastwestdem Jun 2016 #18
you are most welcome. sadly, the people who most need to read it never will. niyad Jun 2016 #33
This was a great analysis of how people have bought into the right-wing justiceischeap Jun 2016 #22
and yet, when you point this out to the haters here, they swear up and down that niyad Jun 2016 #25
It can't help but make up their views justiceischeap Jun 2016 #35
exactly. niyad Jun 2016 #36
"Of course accusations of sexism always bump up against several serious impediments:" JTFrog Jun 2016 #23
exactly niyad Jun 2016 #26
. . . niyad Jun 2016 #27
All the Sanders supporters dreaming of an FBI indictment over the emails. tonyt53 Jun 2016 #30
exactly, and thank you. niyad Jun 2016 #32
That.post could have been lovely without attacking Bernie. moriah Jun 2016 #38
Amazing piece. Thanks. wyldwolf Jun 2016 #40
you are most welcome. niyad Jun 2016 #41
. . . niyad Jun 2016 #42
. . . niyad Jun 2016 #43
 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
1. I hear the same talking points over and over from those anti Hillary shills
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 12:57 PM
Jun 2016

and yet, I have remained unconvinced that there is ample evidence that these labels accurately describe her in the totality of her abilities, desires, platform and motivations.

ancianita

(35,933 posts)
12. I'm read what you're reading. It's nowhere near hate, nevermind the shallow labels Hillers give it.
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 01:11 AM
Jun 2016

moriah

(8,311 posts)
39. I just searched this thread because I was going to post this and didn't want to dupe. :)
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 08:25 AM
Jun 2016

But if you want me to break out Advanced Search, and prove the claim, I will.

I would much rather focus on good things, like even if it wasn't National Nurses United, a union will be helping with the 2016 platform.

moriah

(8,311 posts)
37. If you're equating Bernie supporters with Hillary haters, that was you, not Lil Missy.
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 08:10 AM
Jun 2016

There are plenty of people that hate Hillary that I sincerely doubt are real Berners. Trolls, the influx of them will start soon...

We will seeit here. It won't be just, or even mostly, Berners who participate. And hate is sucky no matter who is doing the hating.

Stinky The Clown

(67,762 posts)
7. Let's look at her career highlights
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 11:58 PM
Jun 2016

FLOTUS with the temerity to stop being just the first lady and attempt to CONTRIBUTE.

For this, the right wing hate machine set out to destroy her. Increasingly outlandish accusations were made.

She persevered.



US Senator from a state not her original home. She worked her ass off touring the state to learn everything there was to know about it. She won election and was widely praised by her constituents - including those of the R persuasion. Her fellow senators saw her as a hard worker and straight shooter and she served with their respect - including those of the R persuasion.

Throughout this period, the right wing hate machine kept the pressure on. The outlandish accusations of the past were morphed into new ones.

She persevered.



US Presidential candidate in the Democratic Party primary, she stayed competitive throughout, before losing to fellow senator, Barack Obama.

For the entirety of the primary, the right wing hate machine kept churning out their primary product: hate.

She persevered.




US Secretary of State to her former rival, Obama. Her record was, based on actual facts, stellar.

For the entirety of her tenure, the right wing hate machine was cranked up to eleven. Their new Mark II/Mod C Acme Fact Twister was placed in service during this time.

And yet, she persevered.





All of that was done while being what the haters hate - a woman acting as her own whole person.

After years - decades - of hate directed at her she continues to persevere. But as we are seeing now, all that hate spewed at her has taken a toll. Her unfavorables are undeservedly high. More disturbing still, at least to me, is how the left is vilifying her.

She will, as she has since the beginning, persevere.

niyad

(113,074 posts)
24. thank you so much for that excellent post.
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 11:06 AM
Jun 2016

would you consider cross-posting in women's rights and issues, please? and making it its own OP here so we can rec it?

joshcryer

(62,266 posts)
8. Long, but very much worth the read.
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 12:53 AM
Jun 2016

I've made practically every single one of those points here on DU.

Arazi

(6,829 posts)
16. Obvious omission of the biggest issue - global warming
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 01:25 AM
Jun 2016

Where HRC utterly fails.

Electing her is as effective as electing a climate change denier since her proposals are just insufficient.

Fawn all you want. Doesn't change one damn thing on the coming disasters. Y'all HRC supporters will bear the blame for that

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
19. Not to mention the IWR. And the sections explaining away the inluence and corruption
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 01:35 AM
Jun 2016

that money and Wall Street bring didn't make me feel any better either. There was no mention of her Welfare Reform or Crime Bill support either.

All in all, the blog didn't do a thing for me.

Response to Arazi (Reply #16)

justiceischeap

(14,040 posts)
22. This was a great analysis of how people have bought into the right-wing
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 10:33 AM
Jun 2016

propaganda machine. It goes across party lines because it's true, if you repeat the same lie enough, people will believe it.

niyad

(113,074 posts)
25. and yet, when you point this out to the haters here, they swear up and down that
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 11:07 AM
Jun 2016

30 years of endless reichwing propaganda has NOTHING to do with their views.

justiceischeap

(14,040 posts)
35. It can't help but make up their views
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 12:03 PM
Jun 2016

I'm a Clinton supporter (always have been) and I still catch myself at times questioning her honesty and then I remind myself that it's 30 years of smears that are informing that knee-jerk reaction. Anyone that claims otherwise is fooling themselves based solely on the fact that there has never been any proof brought forward to accompany the accusations.

 

JTFrog

(14,274 posts)
23. "Of course accusations of sexism always bump up against several serious impediments:"
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 10:38 AM
Jun 2016
Of course accusations of sexism always bump up against several serious impediments:

1) Almost nobody will admit to it. Conservatives decided long ago that all such accusations (sexism, racism, homophobia, etc) are standard liberal bullshit whose only real intent is to shut down debate, and liberals tend to possess a sense of moral entitlement which leads them to consider themselves automatically exempt from all such accusations. (Side note: if you did roll your eyes above, there’s a good chance I’m describing you here. Sorry.)

2) Overt sexism is significantly more likely to be tolerated in our society than overt racism. It is a low-risk form of bigotry and discrimination that rarely damages professional or political careers. Because of this, far fewer people worry about crossing that line.

3) We have formed a sort of collective blindness to sexism that allows us to pretend that we are on top of the issue while simultaneously ignoring the many ways in which it actually permeates our society. (Side note 2: There’s a reason it’s called a “glass” ceiling.)

4) Unlike men, women who make demands are still often seen as unfeminine and inappropriately aggressive, bordering on deviant. And if the people most aggressively pushing against the glass ceiling are “broken” or “deviant”, it’s easier to justify dismissing both them and their concerns.
 

tonyt53

(5,737 posts)
30. All the Sanders supporters dreaming of an FBI indictment over the emails.
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 11:21 AM
Jun 2016

All of the GOP talking about Benghazi. Trump talking about crooked Hillary. All of this nonsense has been said before going back to Whitewater. She has been absolved of any wrongdoings every time. She has been the target of ridicule and outright lies for many years, but she still wins. Sanders supporters have been just as guilty as Trump and the rest of the GOP about repeating those same lies, all the while dreaming that she will be charged over the emails so Bernie can win. Pretty pitiful to want Bernie to win if even by default after getting stomped in the primary. Bernie would never be given the nomination either.

Bernie has had the luxury of being left alone by the GOP and the press - given a free pass. On the only issue he was pressed on, those tax returns, he failed to do what everybody but Trump has done. it pissed him off when he was even asked about it a second time. Imagine his outrage when the entire press started on him about his past. Then toss the GOP on top of that and Bernie would have imploded.

But Hillary Clinton has fought back with facts and clarity. That is Presidential.

moriah

(8,311 posts)
38. That.post could have been lovely without attacking Bernie.
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 08:19 AM
Jun 2016

Since the media didn't take him seriously, we don't know HOW he would have responded.

But Hillary has definitely demonstrated her ability to deal with the vilest slander as just another day.

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