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Please tell me what Senator Sanders said that you disagree with... (Original Post) tk2kewl Jun 2016 OP
That he is still in the race. nt hack89 Jun 2016 #1
... SpareribSP Jun 2016 #2
So you didn't tune in or read the transcript then tk2kewl Jun 2016 #3
I'm waiting for the King James edition. nt BobbyDrake Jun 2016 #12
He did not acknowledge Hillary as the presumptive nominee hack89 Jun 2016 #19
Fret not, Hillary is in great shape WayBeyondBlue Jun 2016 #58
It seems to me... 4nic8em Jun 2016 #37
Why can't he recognize Hillary as the presumptive nominee? hack89 Jun 2016 #47
That's it? 4nic8em Jun 2016 #56
The entire point of the primaries is to pick a nominee for the GE hack89 Jun 2016 #59
I did ask to be spared the whining about what he didn't say tk2kewl Jun 2016 #63
What he is said is not the issue. hack89 Jun 2016 #66
Surely you know that 4nic8em Jun 2016 #65
Give me one example where the party did not declare a presumptive nominee prior to the convention hack89 Jun 2016 #68
Please 4nic8em Jun 2016 #76
Give me past examples that show that what he is doing is unprecedented. hack89 Jun 2016 #77
Rules... 4nic8em Jun 2016 #94
not to Bernie. He didnt want to be in the WH swhisper1 Jun 2016 #85
Do you need his validation to 840high Jun 2016 #110
We don't need Bernie playing the gadfly and helping Trump. hack89 Jun 2016 #130
.that^ 840high Jun 2016 #109
such a childish response from many here. The law says the convention and the convention it will be swhisper1 Jun 2016 #97
Sanders' message is economic apcalc Jun 2016 #4
A tired refrain from neoliberals... tk2kewl Jun 2016 #8
Racial justice is "neoliberal" now? You folks have gone Ludicrious Speed. BobbyDrake Jun 2016 #15
Put words in my mouth if it makes you feel better... tk2kewl Jun 2016 #20
Yeah, yeah, you know how to personally insult someone rather than defend your position. BobbyDrake Jun 2016 #25
What have I said that you find insulting? tk2kewl Jun 2016 #36
Pete, Repeat. Classy. Show us all of your gradeschool tactics. BobbyDrake Jun 2016 #42
If you find the term neoliberal insulting, you should learn its meaning... tk2kewl Jun 2016 #49
Neoliberals. sheshe2 Jun 2016 #26
Neoliberal is a political label properly attached to most current Democrats tk2kewl Jun 2016 #33
Says you. Lol~ sheshe2 Jun 2016 #39
And many others.... tk2kewl Jun 2016 #45
Thanks for that WayBeyondBlue Jun 2016 #62
To be honest LoverOfLiberty Jun 2016 #35
You saying it is not economic? riversedge Jun 2016 #80
This wasn't the same speech. LWolf Jun 2016 #10
I said economic equality was important. apcalc Jun 2016 #48
And so has Sanders. LWolf Jun 2016 #55
"A white man's speech?" Did you miss the segment where he spoke of incarceration vs. education... slipslidingaway Jun 2016 #11
Missed that part thanks...hope that is in the platform. apcalc Jun 2016 #17
Well he has speaking of the same thing for the past year, if not for decades ... slipslidingaway Jun 2016 #31
Race? How about gender? apcalc Jun 2016 #50
The latinas I know all all Bernie, but will vote Hill because they believe in voting rights swhisper1 Jun 2016 #87
Here.... Armstead Jun 2016 #98
That he is taking it the convention. And he is not suspending his campaign. boston bean Jun 2016 #5
Where has your candidate been on the issues raised? SheenaR Jun 2016 #13
Same place. Different strategy but same damned place. boston bean Jun 2016 #16
when she struggled to get the words out, she is either pandering or nuansing the answer swhisper1 Jun 2016 #88
.+1 840high Jun 2016 #112
+1000 baldguy Jun 2016 #70
The answer to that is that Bernie did NOT say I quit and y'all vote for Hillary. djean111 Jun 2016 #6
Exactly. Principles come last, party loyalty comes first. arcane1 Jun 2016 #14
Nothing at all. Triana Jun 2016 #7
How does any of that but Hillary in the White House? hack89 Jun 2016 #24
BINGO! 2banon Jun 2016 #57
You reminded me of a line McCoy said to Spock from Star Trek pdsimdars Jun 2016 #121
Are you out of your Vulcan mind? 2banon Jun 2016 #139
You really nailed that one. Thanks. pdsimdars Jun 2016 #119
I was just going to post this SheenaR Jun 2016 #9
"Every stance was a progressive stance." And that is why they hate him. arcane1 Jun 2016 #18
You misspelled presumptuous. n/t seabeckind Jun 2016 #30
More projection. He's the loser making demands. He's the one who thinks 2nd place entitled him to BobbyDrake Jun 2016 #21
Projection? SheenaR Jun 2016 #32
You said "kiss the ring" while he's the one with his hand out expecting obeisance. Pro-jec-tion. BobbyDrake Jun 2016 #41
I'll be so glad when the contracts expire here. The bullshit will be reduced a bit. n/t arcane1 Jun 2016 #34
Her smarter supporters have avoided this thread tk2kewl Jun 2016 #81
Issues are like kryptonite for many of the loudest people here. n/t QC Jun 2016 #93
Not much, as opposed to the other candidate. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2016 #22
He is no longer a candidate hack89 Jun 2016 #27
Maybe. But, I still have a lot of disagreements with a lot of what Hillary said. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2016 #38
What he said was that this is seabeckind Jun 2016 #23
He comes across as full of himself and holier than thou. YouDig Jun 2016 #28
Not the last 2 decades. seabeckind Jun 2016 #43
Yes the last two decades. And if you haven't heard Hillary talk about the environment or YouDig Jun 2016 #44
Maybe you can hum a few bars of her stance on fracking. seabeckind Jun 2016 #46
I'm sure you can provide links to back up that statement. n/t Matt_R Jun 2016 #107
and she doesn't??? Hill has always been arrogant and vicious to her foes swhisper1 Jun 2016 #89
No, she doesn't. And she showed that she cared about the country in 2008. YouDig Jun 2016 #99
believe what you wish swhisper1 Jun 2016 #100
You will not get these people to discuss issues QC Jun 2016 #29
I had to check and see if I was playing a recording MyNameGoesHere Jun 2016 #40
So you don't agree with what he said then? Or you don't car what he said? tk2kewl Jun 2016 #51
Thinking about issues is hard Red Mountain Jun 2016 #52
So much easier to sling junior high snark. n/t QC Jun 2016 #61
Hey Sanders makes it easy MyNameGoesHere Jun 2016 #84
that he did not endorse Hillary. n/t chillfactor Jun 2016 #53
So you agree with everything he actually *did* say? tk2kewl Jun 2016 #72
It's what he didn't say eom rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #54
I agree. lapucelle Jun 2016 #60
He turns out to be rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #69
Rabies swhisper1 Jun 2016 #92
That he's had any chance of winning since March. Lil Missy Jun 2016 #64
I'm pretty certain he said nothing about that... tk2kewl Jun 2016 #67
There are many...but the first one I heard was how he was 'surprised' that so many young people eastwestdem Jun 2016 #71
"No mention of how you're going to do it" tk2kewl Jun 2016 #75
He wants to arm most countries in the Middle East and let them duke it out Renew Deal Jun 2016 #73
That he doesn't want the TPP to come up for a vote in Congress anigbrowl Jun 2016 #74
He said it should not get a vote in a lame duck congress... tk2kewl Jun 2016 #79
He offered no solutions. WhiteTara Jun 2016 #78
He has proposed solutions funded by tax increases primarily on corporations and investments tk2kewl Jun 2016 #90
I install software for hedge funds. You're gonna tax the pants off me, right? eom LLStarks Jun 2016 #104
I suppose it depends on your compensation package. tk2kewl Jun 2016 #106
his solutions are well documented and known to those who cared. Just go to Bernies site-duh swhisper1 Jun 2016 #95
He didn't concede workinclasszero Jun 2016 #82
After watching even a tiny bit of the Bernie in the bunker podcast, I think we got off easy Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #86
No I can't workinclasszero Jun 2016 #134
So true...nt Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #136
The part where his lips were moving. Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #83
"Kindness and love" tk2kewl Jun 2016 #91
None for Bernie who has behaved very disrespectfully Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #135
Not a fucking thing. panader0 Jun 2016 #96
Senator who? redstateblues Jun 2016 #101
Glad to see you're paying attention tk2kewl Jun 2016 #102
His entire stump speech which lacks any sense of policy depth. eom LLStarks Jun 2016 #103
So you disagree with his entire speech. Interesting. tk2kewl Jun 2016 #105
That's all they have. RoccoR5955 Jun 2016 #108
The part where he attacks tha major party on the left. nt BootinUp Jun 2016 #111
I missed that part I guess. tk2kewl Jun 2016 #113
He is preaching to the converted, which is a complete waste of everyone's time. randome Jun 2016 #114
His gun stance is horrible uponit7771 Jun 2016 #115
so you disagree with what he said on guns last night? tk2kewl Jun 2016 #117
No, his over his lifetime and including the debates... horrible excuses for gumpering uponit7771 Jun 2016 #138
When he tries to give the impression that he "won" states which he actually lost ... NurseJackie Jun 2016 #116
Bernies focus is on reforming the party when it should be on uniting the party. DCBob Jun 2016 #118
if the party doesn't stand for the addressing the issues Bernie has underscored tk2kewl Jun 2016 #120
But it does stand for that. randome Jun 2016 #122
really? tk2kewl Jun 2016 #126
Do you really think members of the Democratic Party are not in favor of every one of those things? randome Jun 2016 #129
every one of those things happened tk2kewl Jun 2016 #131
Well, first of all, when people get together and stop putting Republicans into power. randome Jun 2016 #132
continuing to vote for Democrats eager to finish the job of unraveling tk2kewl Jun 2016 #133
This is not the time. DCBob Jun 2016 #123
fyi... it's officially over the week of 7/25 tk2kewl Jun 2016 #124
Its effectively over now. DCBob Jun 2016 #125
even less reasonable purpose for you complaining about it tk2kewl Jun 2016 #127
Never mind.. you will never get it. DCBob Jun 2016 #128
Simply put, they disapprove of his populism because it NorthCarolina Jun 2016 #137

hack89

(39,171 posts)
19. He did not acknowledge Hillary as the presumptive nominee
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 09:09 PM
Jun 2016

That is all I need to know. He wants to further damage Hillary.

WayBeyondBlue

(86 posts)
58. Fret not, Hillary is in great shape
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 09:50 PM
Jun 2016

She doesn't need Sanders' supporters. She really doesn't have to pivot right too much to pick up moderate Republicans unwilling to vote for Trump. And I'm sure she and Bernie have this fact in mind as they approach the Dem Platform "negotiation", at which you will hear that famous Clinton Cackle, her finger raised in the general direction of Progressives.

I figure she'll win in a landslide with or without Bernie's folks or approval. I plan on leaving the Prez box empty.

Oh, yeah, but don't forget when the FBI finally decides to do its job, they will provide great fodder for the endless impeachments we'll enjoy over the next four years, or when she resigns, whichever comes first.

4nic8em

(482 posts)
37. It seems to me...
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 09:16 PM
Jun 2016

that he's staying focused on what he and his Democratic supporters believe (just like he said he would a year ago). I mean, it's not like he's asking to be Secretary of State...he has higher aspirations for our country. Someone please explain why President Hillary or her supporters would not be onboard with his vision for America...

hack89

(39,171 posts)
47. Why can't he recognize Hillary as the presumptive nominee?
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 09:24 PM
Jun 2016

All that matters is winning the GE. It is not clear his aspirations include putting Hillary in the White House.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
59. The entire point of the primaries is to pick a nominee for the GE
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 09:52 PM
Jun 2016

so we can put a Dem in the White House. Nothing else matters now we a winner.

 

tk2kewl

(18,133 posts)
63. I did ask to be spared the whining about what he didn't say
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 10:12 PM
Jun 2016

Plenty of other threads for that

Anything that he DID say that you disagree with?

4nic8em

(482 posts)
65. Surely you know that
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 10:29 PM
Jun 2016

in Presidential politics there is a culmination of the nomination process called a "convention". You will have to wait until July 25th for the Democratic process to play out. Now...just to make you feel better, you and Hillary will have to wait until she is nominated by vote for it to be official. Be patient, relax...I guarantee July 25th will get here, but until then she will remain "presumptive". Until then, Trump isn't going anywhere as he is also "presumptive" until the republicans have their convention vote him as the republican candidate also. Then and only then, does the GE officially begin. Just so your aware, I admit this response is as equally condescending as yours.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
68. Give me one example where the party did not declare a presumptive nominee prior to the convention
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 10:32 PM
Jun 2016

once it was clear they had a majority of pledged delegates? And then didn't quickly coalesced around that winner well before the convention with the loser conceding. The GE campaign has started simply because there is no way for Bernie to win.

What is so fucking special about Bernie that the rules have to change for him?


4nic8em

(482 posts)
76. Please
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 10:45 PM
Jun 2016

tell me what rules have changed? Hillary chose to drop out when she did against Obama (2008). Look it up...her decision, no rule...

hack89

(39,171 posts)
77. Give me past examples that show that what he is doing is unprecedented.
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 10:46 PM
Jun 2016

you can't. History does not begin in 2008.

4nic8em

(482 posts)
94. Rules...
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 11:07 PM
Jun 2016

You stated rules that were changed...rules. Are you now pivoting and reframing your previous dialog with the word precedence instead of rules? Big difference...but I'll assume you already knew that. If it makes you happy, I'll humbly concede that history in fact did not start in 2008. Learn something new every day, Thanks.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
130. We don't need Bernie playing the gadfly and helping Trump.
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 08:41 AM
Jun 2016

the party has pivoted to the GE - we don't need petty ego driven sniping from behind.

 

swhisper1

(851 posts)
97. such a childish response from many here. The law says the convention and the convention it will be
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 11:10 PM
Jun 2016

apcalc

(4,462 posts)
4. Sanders' message is economic
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 09:02 PM
Jun 2016

It's essentially the same speech every time. A good speech, but limiting.
Imo a white man's speech, his idea of making things fair -economic inequality.
Important.

But, there is so much else. Let's see if his platform push is about anything else.

Anyone wanna bet?

 

BobbyDrake

(2,542 posts)
15. Racial justice is "neoliberal" now? You folks have gone Ludicrious Speed.
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 09:08 PM
Jun 2016

Enjoy your pity party. It's all you're going to get with this bigoted attitude of yours.

 

tk2kewl

(18,133 posts)
20. Put words in my mouth if it makes you feel better...
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 09:10 PM
Jun 2016

Neoliberals love creating false dichotomies

 

BobbyDrake

(2,542 posts)
25. Yeah, yeah, you know how to personally insult someone rather than defend your position.
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 09:12 PM
Jun 2016

No one here needs to see you reliving the glory days of Gamer-Gate.

 

tk2kewl

(18,133 posts)
49. If you find the term neoliberal insulting, you should learn its meaning...
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 09:26 PM
Jun 2016

And then examine you ideas and candidate to understand why

sheshe2

(83,574 posts)
26. Neoliberals.
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 09:12 PM
Jun 2016

Name calling. Great way to start a conversation that you never wanted in the first place.

 

tk2kewl

(18,133 posts)
33. Neoliberal is a political label properly attached to most current Democrats
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 09:14 PM
Jun 2016

If you find it offensive you may want to examine why

 

tk2kewl

(18,133 posts)
45. And many others....
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 09:23 PM
Jun 2016

Including, but most certainly not limited to Wikipedia ...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoliberalism

The definition and usage of the term has changed over time.[6] It was originally an economic philosophy that emerged among European liberal scholars in the 1930s in an attempt to trace a so-called 'Third' or 'Middle Way' between the conflicting philosophies of classical liberalism and socialist planning.[18] The impetus for this development arose from a desire to avoid repeating the economic failures of the early 1930s, which were mostly blamed by neoliberals on the economic policy of classical liberalism. In the decades that followed, the use of the term neoliberal tended to refer to theories at variance with the more laissez-faire doctrine of classical liberalism, and promoted instead a market economy under the guidance and rules of a strong state, a model which came to be known as the social market economy.


Critics allege that neoliberalism holds that market forces should organize every facet of society, including economic and social life, and promotes a social darwinist ethic which elevates self-interest over social needs.[195] Santa Cruz History of Consciousness professor Angela Davis and Princeton sociologist Bruce Western have claimed that the high rate (compared to Europe) of incarceration in the U.S. – specifically 1 in 37 American adults is in the prison system – heavily promoted by the Clinton administration, is the neoliberal U.S. policy tool for keeping unemployment statistics low, while stimulating economic growth through the maintenance of a contemporary slave population and the promotion of prison construction and "militarized policing."[196] David McNally, Professor of Political Science at York University, argues that while expenditures on social welfare programs have been cut, expenditures on prison construction have increased significantly during the neoliberal era, with California having "the largest prison-building program in the history of the world."[197] The scholar Bernard Harcourt contends the neoliberal concept that the state is inept when it comes to economic regulation but efficient in policing and punishing "has facilitated the slide to mass incarceration."[198] Both Wacquant and Harcourt refer to this phenomenon as "Neoliberal Penality."[199][200]

The Clinton Administration embraced neoliberalism by pursuing international trade agreements that would benefit the corporate sector globally (normalization of trade with China for example). Domestically, Clinton fostered such neoliberal reforms as the corporate takeover of health care in the form of the HMO, the reduction of welfare subsidies, and the implementation of "Workfare".[201]


Funny how "New Democrats" adopted the term "Third Way." Must just be a coincidence.

WayBeyondBlue

(86 posts)
62. Thanks for that
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 10:07 PM
Jun 2016

But I'm pretty sure they won't read the whole thing, much less attain enough objectivity to apply it to eitherthemselves or their candidate.

It was a nice try, and the thanks are genuine.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
10. This wasn't the same speech.
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 09:06 PM
Jun 2016

You must not have listened well to miss the social and racial justice segments.

I'm sorry you think economic inequality is so unimportant that our politicians shouldn't address it.

And I know, having listened, that Clinton doesn't do a better job speaking about "so much else," even if one could take her seriously at this point, which takes a ludicrous effort involving blinders, earplugs, and some Stuart Smalley-like affirmations.

apcalc

(4,462 posts)
48. I said economic equality was important.
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 09:25 PM
Jun 2016

There is so much else....

Democrats have been talking about income inequality , social security, healthcare, AND MORE for years.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
55. And so has Sanders.
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 09:38 PM
Jun 2016

He was doing so while Clinton was a Goldwater girl. He has better creds for both economic and social justice than she does, year after year, decade after decade.

She brings neo-liberalism and identity politics.

He brings solutions.

slipslidingaway

(21,210 posts)
11. "A white man's speech?" Did you miss the segment where he spoke of incarceration vs. education...
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 09:06 PM
Jun 2016

and the need for criminal justice reform, rights for all people regardless of race, religion or gender.



slipslidingaway

(21,210 posts)
31. Well he has speaking of the same thing for the past year, if not for decades ...
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 09:14 PM
Jun 2016

please do not seek to divide people by race, thank you.



apcalc

(4,462 posts)
50. Race? How about gender?
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 09:28 PM
Jun 2016

Sorry, check out the voting trends for yourself.... There are lots of things POC, women, don't hear from Sanders.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
98. Here....
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 11:13 PM
Jun 2016

This is excerpts from his speech. I have bolded the non-economic (or semi-economic) issues he is addressing here.


Election days come and go. But political and social revolutions that attempt to transform our society never end. They continue every day, every week and every month in the fight to create a nation of social and economic justice. That’s what the trade union movement is about. That’s what the civil rights movement is about. That’s what the women’s movement is about. That’s what the gay rights movement is about. That’s what the environmental movement is about.hu

And that’s what this campaign has been about over the past year. That’s what the political revolution is about and that’s why the political revolution must continue into the future.

Real change never takes place from the top down, or in the living rooms of wealthy campaign contributors. It always occurs from the bottom on up – when tens of millions of people say “enough is enough” and become engaged in the fight for justice. That’s what the political revolution we helped start is all about. That’s why the political revolution must continue....


.....This campaign has never been about any single candidate. It is always about transforming America.

It is about ending a campaign finance system which is corrupt and allows billionaires to buy elections.

It is about ending the grotesque level of wealth and income inequality that we are experiencing where almost all new wealth and income goes to the people on top, where the 20 wealthiest people own more wealth than the bottom 150 million.

It is about creating an economy that works for all of us, not just the 1 percent.

It is about ending the disgrace of native Americans who live on the Pine Ridge, South Dakota, reservation having a life expectancy lower than many third-world countries.

It is about ending the incredible despair that exists in many parts of this country where – as a result of unemployment and low wages, suicide, drugs and alcohol – millions of Americans are now dying, in an ahistorical way, at a younger age than their parents.

It is about ending the disgrace of having the highest level of childhood poverty of almost any major country on earth and having public school systems in inner cities that are totally failing our children – where kids now stand a greater chance of ending up in jail than ending up with a college degree.

It is about ending the disgrace that millions of undocumented people in this country continue to live in fear and are exploited every day on their jobs because they have no legal rights.

It is about ending the disgrace of tens of thousands of Americans dying every year from preventable deaths because they either lack health insurance, have high deductibles or cannot afford the outrageously high cost of the prescription drugs they need.

It is about ending the disgrace of hundreds of thousands of bright young people unable to go to college because their families are poor or working class, while millions more struggle with suffocating levels of student debt.


It is about ending the pain of a young single mother in Nevada, in tears, telling me that she doesn’t know how she and her daughter can make it on $10.45 an hour. And the reality that today millions of our fellow Americans are working at starvation wages.

It is about ending the disgrace of a mother in Flynt, Michigan, telling me what has happened to the intellectual development of her child as a result of lead in the water in that city, of many thousands of homes in California and other communities unable to drink the polluted water that comes out of their faucets.

In America. In the year 2016. In a nation whose infrastructure is crumbling before our eyes.

It is about ending the disgrace that too many veterans still sleep out on the streets, that homelessness is increasing and that tens of millions of Americans, because of a lack of affordable housing, are paying 40, 50 percent or more of their limited incomes to put a roof over their heads.....

......We must fight to make certain that women throughout the country have the right to control their own bodies.

We must protect the right of our gay brothers and sisters to marriage equality in every state America.

As the recent tragedy in Orlando has made crystal clear, we must ban the sale and distribution of assault weapons, end the gun show loophole and expand instant background checks.


We must defeat the Trans-Pacific Partnership and make certain that that bad trade deal does not get a vote in a lame-duck session of Congress.

We must resist all efforts to cut Social Security and, in fact, expand benefits for our seniors and disabled veterans.

We must understand that the greed, recklessness and illegal behavior on Wall Street has to end, that we need to pass modern-day Glass-Steagall legislation and that we need to break up the biggest financial institutions in this country who not only remain too big to fail but who prevent the kind of vigorous competition that a healthy financial system requires.

We must aggressively combat climate change and transform our energy system, move to energy efficiency and sustainable energy and impose a tax on carbon. It means that, in order to protect our water supply, we ban fracking.

We must compete effectively in a global economy by making public colleges and universities tuition free and substantially reduce student debt.

We must join the rest of the industrialized world and guarantee health care to all people as a right and not a privilege.

We must end the disgrace of having more people in jail than any other country on earth and move toward real criminal justice reform at the federal, state and local levels.

We must pass comprehensive immigration reform and provide a path toward citizenship for 11 million undocumented people.

We must take a hard look at the waste, cost overruns and inefficiencies in every branch of government –including the Department of Defense. And we must make certain our brave young men and women in the military are not thrown into perpetual warfare in the Middle East or other wars we should not be fighting.

But the political revolution means much more than fighting for our ideals at the Democratic National Convention and defeating Donald Trump.

It means that, at every level, we continue the fight to make our society a nation of economic, social, racial and environmental justice.

It means that we can no longer ignore the fact that, sadly, the current Democratic Party leadership has turned its back on dozens of states in this country and has allowed right-wing politicians to win elections in some states with virtually no opposition – including some of the poorest states in America. The Democratic Party needs a 50-state strategy. We may not win in every state tomorrow but we will never win unless we recruit good candidates and develop organizations that can compete effectively in the future. We must provide resources to those states which have so long been ignored.

Most importantly, the Democratic Party needs leadership which is prepared to open its doors and welcome into its ranks working people and young people. That is the energy that we need to transform the Democratic Party, take on the special interests and transform our country.

Here is a cold, hard fact that must be addressed. Since 2009, some 900 legislative seats have been lost to Republicans in state after state throughout this country. In fact, the Republican Party now controls 31 state legislatures and controls both the governors’ mansions and statehouses in 23 states. That is unacceptable.

We need to start engaging at the local and state level in an unprecedented way. Hundreds of thousands of volunteers helped us make political history during the last year. These are people deeply concerned about the future of our country and their own communities. Now we need many of them to start running for school boards, city councils, county commissions, state legislatures and governorships. State and local governments make enormously important decisions and we cannot allow right-wing Republicans to increasingly control them.

I hope very much that many of you listening tonight are prepared to engage at that level. Please go to my website at berniesanders.com/win to learn more about how you can effectively run for office or get involved in politics at the local or state level. I have no doubt that with the energy and enthusiasm our campaign has shown that we can win significant numbers of local and state elections if people are prepared to become involved. I also hope people will give serious thought to running for statewide offices and the U.S. Congress.

And when we talk about transforming America, it is not just about elections. Many of my Republican colleagues believe that government is the enemy, that we need to eviscerate and privatize virtually all aspects of government – whether it is Social Security, Medicare, the VA, EPA, the Postal Service or public education. I strongly disagree. In a democratic civilized society, government must play an enormously important role in protecting all of us and our planet. But in order for government to work efficiently and effectively, we need to attract great and dedicated people from all walks of life. We need people who are dedicated to public service and can provide the services we need in a high quality and efficient way.

When we talk about a Medicare-for-all health care program and the need to make sure all of our people have quality health care, it means that we need tens of thousands of new doctors, nurses, dentists, psychologists and other medical personnel who are prepared to practice in areas where people today lack access to that care.

It means that we need hundreds of thousands of people to become childcare workers and teachers so that our young people will get the best education available in the world.

It means that as we combat climate change and transform our energy system away from fossil fuels, we need scientists and engineers and entrepreneurs who will help us make energy efficiency, solar energy, wind energy, geothermal and other developing technologies as efficient and cost effective as possible.


It means that as we rebuild our crumbling infrastructure, we need millions of skilled construction workers of all kinds.

It means that when we talk about growing our economy and creating jobs, we need great business people who can produce and distribute the products and services we need in a way that respects their employees and the environment.

In other words, we need a new generation of people actively involved in public service who are prepared to provide the quality of life the American people deserve.

boston bean

(36,217 posts)
5. That he is taking it the convention. And he is not suspending his campaign.
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 09:03 PM
Jun 2016

And that he makes it seem like democrats dont give a shit about what he spoke of. Stoking anger and shit.

SheenaR

(2,052 posts)
13. Where has your candidate been on the issues raised?
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 09:07 PM
Jun 2016

So yes. Some Democrats haven't given a shit.

-TPP
-$15 min wage
-Health care as a right for all
-Taking on Wall St

Where are the Democrats you say are all saying the same thing? They don't exist.

Keep hating. Last thread went well

 

swhisper1

(851 posts)
88. when she struggled to get the words out, she is either pandering or nuansing the answer
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 11:01 PM
Jun 2016

That told me she was insincere

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
6. The answer to that is that Bernie did NOT say I quit and y'all vote for Hillary.
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 09:04 PM
Jun 2016

They don't really care about anything else.

 

Triana

(22,666 posts)
7. Nothing at all.
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 09:04 PM
Jun 2016

What I heard...

...

"I'm taking it to Convention. And I'm going to KEEP fighting for the 99% - for a progressive agenda, against cutting Social Security, against TPP, against income inequality, FOR changes to deal with climate change, and I'm encouraging the 99% to run for local and national offices themselves - to GET INVOLVED,...etc."

Odd as HELL to see so much sneering here on "DEMOCRATIC Underground" against any of what he's saying he will go to the convention (and beyond) to fight for. It's what we ALL should be fighting for: DEMOCRATIC values, and a representative government that works for WE THE PEOPLE and not just THOSE GUYS the RICH and WEALTHY.

I'm really sorry to say that it sounds more like Free Republic here sometimes than DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
24. How does any of that but Hillary in the White House?
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 09:12 PM
Jun 2016

We have a winner. The focus should be on the GE, not on a futile convention sideshow.

 

2banon

(7,321 posts)
57. BINGO!
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 09:49 PM
Jun 2016

these comments form her supporters could have come straight out from there.

it is nothing short of bizarre.

Someone in leadership might want to think about holding a refresher course workshop on what the Democratic Party is about, right here.

they've lost their ever lovin' minds over a very inspiring progressive message.

Holy Moly.

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
121. You reminded me of a line McCoy said to Spock from Star Trek
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 08:20 AM
Jun 2016

"Are you out of your Vulcan mind?" (say it fast)

SheenaR

(2,052 posts)
9. I was just going to post this
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 09:05 PM
Jun 2016

They want him to kiss the ring.

Every single issue he raised is an issue important to the middle class and Democrats nationwide. Every stance was a progressive stance.

The hate for the individual is allowing for all kinds of ridiculousness.

How dare a political figure let the people know the little secret that we actually deserve better than what we have become accustomed to.

Watch though. If he endorses her and makes a similar speech, the sewer will be quiet and nobody would be coming out.

Ego? Fuck that. The man is out there fighting for everyone in this country and not once talked about being President. The hate will not subside until he kisses the ring while on his knees.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
18. "Every stance was a progressive stance." And that is why they hate him.
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 09:09 PM
Jun 2016

His every word is a reminder that we don't have a progressive as a "presumed nominee."

 

BobbyDrake

(2,542 posts)
21. More projection. He's the loser making demands. He's the one who thinks 2nd place entitled him to
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 09:10 PM
Jun 2016

control of the entire party.

Screw this "tyranny of the minority" mindset out of the Sanders camp. Win a democratic election; THEN you can set policies and platforms.

SheenaR

(2,052 posts)
32. Projection?
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 09:14 PM
Jun 2016

I don't think it means what you think it means.

Unless you can account for projecting your hatred of Bernie Sanders into that post.

He didn't win. No shit. I don't care if candidates for centuries have acted a certain way. The guy wants better for me and better for you. Yeah, what a real jerk that Sanders must be

 

BobbyDrake

(2,542 posts)
41. You said "kiss the ring" while he's the one with his hand out expecting obeisance. Pro-jec-tion.
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 09:19 PM
Jun 2016

Play willfully obtuse if you must, but it changes nothing.

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
38. Maybe. But, I still have a lot of disagreements with a lot of what Hillary said.
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 09:16 PM
Jun 2016

Very little with Bernie or another progressive candidate.

seabeckind

(1,957 posts)
23. What he said was that this is
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 09:11 PM
Jun 2016

about reversing the economic/social tragedy of the last 35 years.

And that no matter if Hillary is in front heading toward the convention,

if she so much as farts to the right, he and all the people who support him, are going to push her back to the people's positions.

If she so much as hints that she's going to maintain the status quo, she's going to get a great be shove toward the progressive positions. --- and not that fuking 3rd way definition of progressive.

Think of this thing like a sports analogy... sure, she got the starting quarterback slot. But if she screws up... there's a replacement ready to run on ahead. She wants to try to claim the entitled, my turn slot? Nope.... earn it.

Bernie has a whole bunch of delegates. And he isn't giving them up until a couple votes in the convention.

As an aside .... he pointed out why Debbie is pretty inept. Sat around watching all the states eat her lunch. Twit.

Enjoy your delusions.

YouDig

(2,280 posts)
28. He comes across as full of himself and holier than thou.
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 09:13 PM
Jun 2016

The Democratic party has been fighting for all the things he talked about for decades. He's acting like he's the only person who cares about poverty or the environment.

I think he likes hearing himself talk more than he actually cares about the problems this country faces. And he obviously is too full of himself to accept the fact that he lost the election by double digits. Hopefully he'll be true to his promise to do everything he can to defeat Trump.

seabeckind

(1,957 posts)
43. Not the last 2 decades.
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 09:21 PM
Jun 2016

Too bad you missed that part.

I haven't heard your candidate talking about poverty or the environment. Fracking come to mind? How about income inequality. Job outsourcing?

Pick an issue. Please.

YouDig

(2,280 posts)
44. Yes the last two decades. And if you haven't heard Hillary talk about the environment or
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 09:22 PM
Jun 2016

poverty, then you haven't been paying attention at all.

 

swhisper1

(851 posts)
89. and she doesn't??? Hill has always been arrogant and vicious to her foes
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 11:03 PM
Jun 2016

why do you feel he isnt anti-Trump?

YouDig

(2,280 posts)
99. No, she doesn't. And she showed that she cared about the country in 2008.
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 11:13 PM
Jun 2016

And now, after losing by a lot more than Hillary did in 2008, Bernie is showing us that he cares more about himself.

QC

(26,371 posts)
29. You will not get these people to discuss issues
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 09:13 PM
Jun 2016

because they don't think that way.

Valiant effort, though.

 

MyNameGoesHere

(7,638 posts)
40. I had to check and see if I was playing a recording
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 09:18 PM
Jun 2016

because it sounded blah blah blah, like the other blah blah, 1% blah blah oligarchy well you get the point. Really fucking #berndout.

 

tk2kewl

(18,133 posts)
51. So you don't agree with what he said then? Or you don't car what he said?
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 09:31 PM
Jun 2016
https://berniesanders.com/political-revolution-continues/

Election days come and go. But political and social revolutions that attempt to transform our society never end. They continue every day, every week and every month in the fight to create a nation of social and economic justice. That’s what the trade union movement is about. That’s what the civil rights movement is about. That’s what the women’s movement is about. That’s what the gay rights movement is about. That’s what the environmental movement is about.hu

And that’s what this campaign has been about over the past year. That’s what the political revolution is about and that’s why the political revolution must continue into the future.

Real change never takes place from the top down, or in the living rooms of wealthy campaign contributors. It always occurs from the bottom on up – when tens of millions of people say “enough is enough” and become engaged in the fight for justice. That’s what the political revolution we helped start is all about. That’s why the political revolution must continue.

When we began this campaign a little over a year ago, we had no political organization, no money and very little name recognition. The media determined that we were a fringe campaign. Nobody thought we were going anywhere.

Well, a lot has changed over a year.

During this campaign, we won more than 12 million votes. We won 22 state primaries and caucuses. We came very close – within 2 points or less – in five more states.

In other words, our vision for the future of this country is not some kind of fringe idea. It is not a radical idea. It is mainstream. It is what millions of Americans believe in and want to see happen.

And something else extraordinarily important happened in this campaign that makes me very optimistic about the future of our country – something that, frankly, I had not anticipated. In virtually every state that we contested we won the overwhelming majority of the votes of people 45 years of age or younger, sometimes, may I say, by huge numbers. These are the people who are determined to shape the future of this country. These are the people who ARE the future of this country.

Together, in this campaign, 1.5 million people came out to our rallies and town meetings in almost every state in the country.

Together, hundreds of thousands of volunteers made 75 million phone calls urging their fellow citizens into action.

Together, our canvassers knocked on more than 5 million doors.

Together, we hosted 74,000 meetings in every state and territory in this country.

Together, 2.7 million people made over 8 million individual contributions to our campaign – more contributions at this point than any campaign in American history. Amazingly, the bulk of those contributions came from low-income and working people whose donations averaged $27 apiece. In an unprecedented way, we showed the world that we could run a strong national campaign without being dependent on the big-money interests whose greed has done so much to damage our country.

And let me give a special thanks to the financial support we received from students struggling to repay their college loans, from seniors and disabled vets on Social Security, from workers earning starvation wages and even from people who were unemployed.

In every single state that we contested we took on virtually the entire political establishment – U.S. senators, members of Congress, governors, mayors, state legislators and local party leaders. To those relatively few elected officials who had the courage to stand with us, I say thank you. We must continue working together into the future.

This campaign has never been about any single candidate. It is always about transforming America.

It is about ending a campaign finance system which is corrupt and allows billionaires to buy elections.

It is about ending the grotesque level of wealth and income inequality that we are experiencing where almost all new wealth and income goes to the people on top, where the 20 wealthiest people own more wealth than the bottom 150 million.

It is about creating an economy that works for all of us, not just the 1 percent.

It is about ending the disgrace of native Americans who live on the Pine Ridge, South Dakota, reservation having a life expectancy lower than many third-world countries.

It is about ending the incredible despair that exists in many parts of this country where – as a result of unemployment and low wages, suicide, drugs and alcohol – millions of Americans are now dying, in an ahistorical way, at a younger age than their parents.

It is about ending the disgrace of having the highest level of childhood poverty of almost any major country on earth and having public school systems in inner cities that are totally failing our children – where kids now stand a greater chance of ending up in jail than ending up with a college degree.

It is about ending the disgrace that millions of undocumented people in this country continue to live in fear and are exploited every day on their jobs because they have no legal rights.

It is about ending the disgrace of tens of thousands of Americans dying every year from preventable deaths because they either lack health insurance, have high deductibles or cannot afford the outrageously high cost of the prescription drugs they need.

It is about ending the disgrace of hundreds of thousands of bright young people unable to go to college because their families are poor or working class, while millions more struggle with suffocating levels of student debt.

It is about ending the pain of a young single mother in Nevada, in tears, telling me that she doesn’t know how she and her daughter can make it on $10.45 an hour. And the reality that today millions of our fellow Americans are working at starvation wages.

It is about ending the disgrace of a mother in Flint, Michigan, telling me what has happened to the intellectual development of her child as a result of lead in the water in that city, of many thousands of homes in California and other communities unable to drink the polluted water that comes out of their faucets.

In America. In the year 2016. In a nation whose infrastructure is crumbling before our eyes.

It is about ending the disgrace that too many veterans still sleep out on the streets, that homelessness is increasing and that tens of millions of Americans, because of a lack of affordable housing, are paying 40, 50 percent or more of their limited incomes to put a roof over their heads.

It is about ending the disgrace that, in a given year, corporations making billions in profit avoid paying a nickel in taxes because they stash their money in the Cayman Islands and other tax havens.

This campaign is about defeating Donald Trump, the Republican candidate for president. After centuries of racism, sexism and discrimination of all forms in our country we do not need a major party candidate who makes bigotry the cornerstone of his campaign. We cannot have a president who insults Mexicans and Latinos, Muslims, women and African-Americans. We cannot have a president who, in the midst of so much income and wealth inequality, wants to give hundreds of billions of dollars in tax breaks to the very rich. We cannot have a president who, despite all of the scientific evidence, believes that climate change is a hoax.

The major political task that we face in the next five months is to make certain that Donald Trump is defeated and defeated badly. And I personally intend to begin my role in that process in a very short period of time.

But defeating Donald Trump cannot be our only goal. We must continue our grassroots efforts to create the America that we know we can become. And we must take that energy into the Democratic National Convention on July 25 in Philadelphia where we will have more than 1,900 delegates.

I recently had the opportunity to meet with Secretary Clinton and discuss some of the very important issues facing our country and the Democratic Party. It is no secret that Secretary Clinton and I have strong disagreements on some very important issues. It is also true that our views are quite close on others. I look forward, in the coming weeks, to continued discussions between the two campaigns to make certain that your voices are heard and that the Democratic Party passes the most progressive platform in its history and that Democrats actually fight for that agenda. I also look forward to working with Secretary Clinton to transform the Democratic Party so that it becomes a party of working people and young people, and not just wealthy campaign contributors: a party that has the courage to take on Wall Street, the pharmaceutical industry, the fossil fuel industry and the other powerful special interests that dominate our political and economic life.

As I have said throughout this campaign, the Democratic Party must support raising the federal minimum wage to $15 an hour, and create millions of jobs rebuilding our crumbling infrastructure.

We must ensure that women will no longer make 79-cents on the dollar compared to men and that we fight for pay equity.

We must fight to make certain that women throughout the country have the right to control their own bodies.

We must protect the right of our gay brothers and sisters to marriage equality in every state America.

As the recent tragedy in Orlando has made crystal clear, we must ban the sale and distribution of assault weapons, end the gun show loophole and expand instant background checks.

We must defeat the Trans-Pacific Partnership and make certain that that bad trade deal does not get a vote in a lame-duck session of Congress.

We must resist all efforts to cut Social Security and, in fact, expand benefits for our seniors and disabled veterans.

We must understand that the greed, recklessness and illegal behavior on Wall Street has to end, that we need to pass modern-day Glass-Steagall legislation and that we need to break up the biggest financial institutions in this country who not only remain too big to fail but who prevent the kind of vigorous competition that a healthy financial system requires.

We must aggressively combat climate change and transform our energy system, move to energy efficiency and sustainable energy and impose a tax on carbon. It means that, in order to protect our water supply, we ban fracking.

We must compete effectively in a global economy by making public colleges and universities tuition free and substantially reduce student debt.

We must join the rest of the industrialized world and guarantee health care to all people as a right and not a privilege.

We must end the disgrace of having more people in jail than any other country on earth and move toward real criminal justice reform at the federal, state and local levels.

We must pass comprehensive immigration reform and provide a path toward citizenship for 11 million undocumented people.

We must take a hard look at the waste, cost overruns and inefficiencies in every branch of government –including the Department of Defense. And we must make certain our brave young men and women in the military are not thrown into perpetual warfare in the Middle East or other wars we should not be fighting.

But the political revolution means much more than fighting for our ideals at the Democratic National Convention and defeating Donald Trump.

It means that, at every level, we continue the fight to make our society a nation of economic, social, racial and environmental justice.

It means that we can no longer ignore the fact that, sadly, the current Democratic Party leadership has turned its back on dozens of states in this country and has allowed right-wing politicians to win elections in some states with virtually no opposition – including some of the poorest states in America. The Democratic Party needs a 50-state strategy. We may not win in every state tomorrow but we will never win unless we recruit good candidates and develop organizations that can compete effectively in the future. We must provide resources to those states which have so long been ignored.

Most importantly, the Democratic Party needs leadership which is prepared to open its doors and welcome into its ranks working people and young people. That is the energy that we need to transform the Democratic Party, take on the special interests and transform our country.

Here is a cold, hard fact that must be addressed. Since 2009, some 900 legislative seats have been lost to Republicans in state after state throughout this country. In fact, the Republican Party now controls 31 state legislatures and controls both the governors’ mansions and statehouses in 23 states. That is unacceptable.

We need to start engaging at the local and state level in an unprecedented way. Hundreds of thousands of volunteers helped us make political history during the last year. These are people deeply concerned about the future of our country and their own communities. Now we need many of them to start running for school boards, city councils, county commissions, state legislatures and governorships. State and local governments make enormously important decisions and we cannot allow right-wing Republicans to increasingly control them.

I hope very much that many of you listening tonight are prepared to engage at that level. Please go to my website at berniesanders.com/win to learn more about how you can effectively run for office or get involved in politics at the local or state level. I have no doubt that with the energy and enthusiasm our campaign has shown that we can win significant numbers of local and state elections if people are prepared to become involved. I also hope people will give serious thought to running for statewide offices and the U.S. Congress.

And when we talk about transforming America, it is not just about elections. Many of my Republican colleagues believe that government is the enemy, that we need to eviscerate and privatize virtually all aspects of government – whether it is Social Security, Medicare, the VA, EPA, the Postal Service or public education. I strongly disagree. In a democratic civilized society, government must play an enormously important role in protecting all of us and our planet. But in order for government to work efficiently and effectively, we need to attract great and dedicated people from all walks of life. We need people who are dedicated to public service and can provide the services we need in a high quality and efficient way.

When we talk about a Medicare-for-all health care program and the need to make sure all of our people have quality health care, it means that we need tens of thousands of new doctors, nurses, dentists, psychologists and other medical personnel who are prepared to practice in areas where people today lack access to that care.

It means that we need hundreds of thousands of people to become childcare workers and teachers so that our young people will get the best education available in the world.

It means that as we combat climate change and transform our energy system away from fossil fuels, we need scientists and engineers and entrepreneurs who will help us make energy efficiency, solar energy, wind energy, geothermal and other developing technologies as efficient and cost effective as possible.

It means that as we rebuild our crumbling infrastructure, we need millions of skilled construction workers of all kinds.

It means that when we talk about growing our economy and creating jobs, we need great business people who can produce and distribute the products and services we need in a way that respects their employees and the environment.

In other words, we need a new generation of people actively involved in public service who are prepared to provide the quality of life the American people deserve.

Let me conclude by once again thanking everyone who has helped in this campaign in one way or another. We have begun the long and arduous process of transforming America, a fight that will continue tomorrow, next week, next year and into the future.

My hope is that when future historians look back and describe how our country moved forward into reversing the drift toward oligarchy, and created a government which represents all the people and not just the few, they will note that, to a significant degree, that effort began with the political revolution of 2016.

Thank you very much. Good night.


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MyNameGoesHere

(7,638 posts)
84. Hey Sanders makes it easy
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 10:57 PM
Jun 2016

1%, bad DNC, oligarchy, rinse and repeat. It's a catch tune if you're into that sort of thing

 

rjsquirrel

(4,762 posts)
69. He turns out to be
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 10:32 PM
Jun 2016

a leftist Trump, bitter and egotistical and sexist.

I don't want any alliance with his remaining few supporters. Moderate Republicans are preferable as human beings.

Sanders may have motivated some voters but he has alienated many from his brand of leftist anachronism who once sympathized (including my most progressive relatives and friends, with a few exceptions among those who don't really know politics well). He lost me fully as a supporter. In fact I have come to dislike him and his core supporters. He may have pushed the party left for the primary but he pushed me right. I want no part of his revolution, and I have long thought I would love to see a leftist turn in national politics. Having seen how naive and juvenile it looks in practice, no more.

In November I planned to vote for Bernie. I maintain that this is why he lost. People like me -- very liberal middle class professionals (in my case with working class roots) found him absurd by February. I proudly voted for Hillary, whom I once disliked, in the New York primary that ended Bernie's last real shot.

We don't need people like Susan Sarandon or Cornell West associated with our party. They make us look stupid and juvenile just like the tea party does for the GOP.

I hope he fades away fast. No concessions. None.

Hillary has her ways of dealing with angry men.

You go girl.

 

tk2kewl

(18,133 posts)
67. I'm pretty certain he said nothing about that...
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 10:31 PM
Jun 2016

So is it fair to assume that. you agree with the rest of what he said then?

 

eastwestdem

(1,220 posts)
71. There are many...but the first one I heard was how he was 'surprised' that so many young people
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 10:38 PM
Jun 2016

supported him. What??? He promised them free college...was that not the plan? Surprised? Sure you were. It's called pandering Bernie, and you did it well. Free college with no mention about how you were going to do it. Luckily, most of those young people who fell for it are not very politically active, and are rapidly moving on to enjoy their summers. By the time the fall roles around I imagine the vast majority who manage to make it to the polls will vote for Hillary.

 

tk2kewl

(18,133 posts)
75. "No mention of how you're going to do it"
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 10:44 PM
Jun 2016

Do you listen to yourself? Have you ever *listened* to Bernie. Do you know that we've done it before and that other countries do it now. Great take you have there on younger generation too

 

anigbrowl

(13,889 posts)
74. That he doesn't want the TPP to come up for a vote in Congress
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 10:43 PM
Jun 2016

Um, that's why we have a legislature, regardless of whether you're for or against the TPP.

 

tk2kewl

(18,133 posts)
79. He said it should not get a vote in a lame duck congress...
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 10:49 PM
Jun 2016

Ie... After the election but before the new session, when many can cast votes and never be held accountable by their constituents

 

tk2kewl

(18,133 posts)
90. He has proposed solutions funded by tax increases primarily on corporations and investments
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 11:04 PM
Jun 2016

Solutions for college, healthcare, family leave, child care, infrastructure, energy. Tell me how any other candidate has a plan to accomplish these goals to an equal or better satisfaction

 

tk2kewl

(18,133 posts)
106. I suppose it depends on your compensation package.
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 11:37 PM
Jun 2016

Are you averse to paying taxes to advance the sorts of programs discussed above?

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
82. He didn't concede
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 10:55 PM
Jun 2016

He is still fighting the Democratic nominee and her party while Trump and his fascists gets a pass.

Demsrule86

(68,440 posts)
86. After watching even a tiny bit of the Bernie in the bunker podcast, I think we got off easy
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 10:58 PM
Jun 2016

Can you imagine that person being president?

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
134. No I can't
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 09:12 AM
Jun 2016

Fortunately the internet/reddit troll "revolution" was just a marketing tool for gullible folks.

Demsrule86

(68,440 posts)
135. None for Bernie who has behaved very disrespectfully
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 09:35 AM
Jun 2016

towards the first woman presidential nominee...unforgivable.

 

tk2kewl

(18,133 posts)
113. I missed that part I guess.
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 08:05 AM
Jun 2016

In fact I was completely unaware that there is a major party on the left

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
114. He is preaching to the converted, which is a complete waste of everyone's time.
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 08:09 AM
Jun 2016

And his manner is bizarre, as if only he has the wisdom to get things done, which is unsupported by his 25 years in the Senate getting very little done.

Anyone can give a speech. Sanders just gave one. Big deal.

 

tk2kewl

(18,133 posts)
117. so you disagree with what he said on guns last night?
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 08:14 AM
Jun 2016

"As the recent tragedy in Orlando has made crystal clear, we must ban the sale and distribution of assault weapons, end the gun show loophole and expand instant background checks."

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
116. When he tries to give the impression that he "won" states which he actually lost ...
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 08:12 AM
Jun 2016

... by ignoring with the ACTUAL FULL TOTAL COMPLETE results and counting ONLY a small subset or a particular demographic that was favorable to him.




DCBob

(24,689 posts)
118. Bernies focus is on reforming the party when it should be on uniting the party.
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 08:15 AM
Jun 2016

That's the problem in a nutshell.

 

tk2kewl

(18,133 posts)
120. if the party doesn't stand for the addressing the issues Bernie has underscored
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 08:17 AM
Jun 2016

It needs reform or it will lose the left.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
122. But it does stand for that.
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 08:21 AM
Jun 2016

And you don't get someone to reform by standing against them. You work with them. Something Sanders has done very little of his entire life.

 

tk2kewl

(18,133 posts)
126. really?
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 08:34 AM
Jun 2016

Bailouts for banks but not for bankrupt families

no one held responsible for wall st fraud

regime change foreign policy in Libya

coup in Honduras

foreign and corporate campaign cash

Trade rules that protect corps and wealthy investors above working families

Fracking

grand bargains to cut social security

medicare for all that can never ever happen

...

this party is way out of line with the things Bernie and millions of Americans support

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
129. Do you really think members of the Democratic Party are not in favor of every one of those things?
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 08:38 AM
Jun 2016

Or against most of the negative things? (There are differing opinions about the banks, of course.)

Sanders' problem is that he talks AT people instead of WITH them. No one likes to hear endless preaching. If Sanders put his energy into working with his compatriots...well, that's not in his nature, is it? It never has been.

More's the pity. We need actual workers, not preachers.

 

tk2kewl

(18,133 posts)
131. every one of those things happened
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 08:44 AM
Jun 2016

Under the current democratic president with SOS Clinton help or represent clinton positions. If you are against those things then how do you reconcile that with supporting someone who has pushed those policies? By what magic will those positions be reversed without opposite and discussion?

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
132. Well, first of all, when people get together and stop putting Republicans into power.
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 08:53 AM
Jun 2016

And the banking bailouts were -arguably, of course- necessary to prevent a full-on economic meltdown.

Sanders couldn't even muster enough of a revolution to get the votes he needed so I find the idea that he is our leader into the promised land to be rather ludicrous.

Again, you get things changed by rolling up your sleeves and working with your allies. I don't see that Sanders is capable of that. It's why his Senate colleagues wouldn't endorse him and they know him better than we do.

 

tk2kewl

(18,133 posts)
133. continuing to vote for Democrats eager to finish the job of unraveling
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 08:57 AM
Jun 2016

The New Deal ain't gonna make this country a better place... they are not my allies.

better than worst doesn't cut it for me

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
123. This is not the time.
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 08:24 AM
Jun 2016

The year long primary process was the venue for debating those issues. Its over now.. there is only one nominee. Its time to unite to ensure we keep a madman out of the Whitehouse.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
125. Its effectively over now.
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 08:29 AM
Jun 2016

There is no reasonable purpose in delaying his concession and endorsement.

 

tk2kewl

(18,133 posts)
127. even less reasonable purpose for you complaining about it
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 08:36 AM
Jun 2016

Especially in a thread where you were asked not to. There are plenty of other threads on DU for this sort of whining

 

NorthCarolina

(11,197 posts)
137. Simply put, they disapprove of his populism because it
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 09:48 AM
Jun 2016

aims to help those that the neoliberal crowd considers unworthy, lazy, Cadillac queens, and super predators. Recall their objection to Sanders proposal for free College for all qualified citizens regardless of their income means. They objected because, and I quote, "we hate this plan because we, as taxpayers, don't want to pay for Trumps kids to go to College". Really? That's the reason to kill such a program because of the outside chance that Trump may opt to send his kids to the Community College of their choice on the taxpayer dime? Really? Forget the greater good to society that such a program would do because, you know, Trumps kids.

The truth is, they don't consider you worthy of anything until such time as you achieve financial stablity like they enjoy, but you must do it completely of your own accord. If you can't well then there's always the all voluntary military that can always use another meat shield for the oligarchy, or if that's not your style then there's one of our fine for profit prison establishments just waiting for you...we'll leave the light on.

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