A "what if" scenario. What if:

[rateyes]

something happens to Trump and he is unable to run in the GE? I'm not talking about the RNC replacing him because they disagree with him.

The Republicans would be able to replace him without ticking off Trump supporters, and could find someone like Kasich that appeals more to Indies than Clinton.

Hell, if the repukes decide to replace him in a coup with a Kasich, we may be in trouble anyway. He would definitely win Ohio, and if he chose Cruz as a running mate...

Just wondering "what if..."

[PoliticAverse]

1. Are you asking something like "how much would someone have to pay him to withdraw for...

'health reasons'?".

[rateyes]

6. Could happen.

[geek tragedy]

2. if the Republicans had nominated Kasich, quite bluntly we would have been

screwed either with Sanders or Clinton.

Rubio would also have been problematic.

We got lucky because the other party is completely off the rails.

[Kelvin Mace]

3. No gurarantee he would win Ohio

Also, a major schism would erupt in the ranks as Trump supporters. Convinced that Trump had been assassinated, they would riot, literally.

[SheilaT]

4. To me the underlying issue is

that if he comes out of their convention with the nomination, and it's hard to see how it can happen otherwise, is will all of the Republican Senators, Representatives, and Governors endorse him? In other words, for the party elites, will party take precedence over everything else?

Sadly, the answer is probably yes.

And what you are really asking is this: Given that Hillary herself has such phenomenally higher negatives than the Donald, what if the Republican nominee winds up being not only someone with lower negatives than Trump, but lower negatives that Clinton. THAT'S the nightmare scenario for the Democrats.

[pkdu]

9. "Hillary ....phenomenally higher negatives than Trump"..

Horseshit.

Unless u meant with BernieorBusters.

[LoverOfLiberty]

10. And they wonder why they face

such a hostile audience.

Outright blatant lying about the Democratic candidate for president on a site for Democrats.

[SheilaT]

17. No, I mean with everyone out there.

Her current unfavorability rating is still above 50%. And those are not the Bernie people. And in fact, her unfavorability rating has risen a couple of points since she supposedly clinched the nomination. That should scare her supporters.

She will win against Trump only because
1. His unfavorability rating is around 70%
and
2. A surprising number of people who despise her will be willing to hold their noses and vote for her.

When this entire campaign started a lot of observers commented that no one with Hillary's unfavorable rating back then had ever gotten the nomination, let alone the White House. She will enter office widely despised. Just because she'll be less despised than the Donald isn't exactly a warm endorsement.

[mythology]

38. I think you're confused

You say that Clinton's unfavorability numbers are higher than Trump's but then you admit she's around 50% while Trump is around 70%.

[SheilaT]

41. I have already posted (see #34 below) that I misspoke myself.

I'm sorry. I am fully aware that he's even more despised than she is, but her unfavorability rating is about 55%, and has gotten higher since she claimed the nomination. I guess knowing that he's hated worse is a comfort, but the prospect of electing a person to the Presidency that more than half of the population do not like or trust, should give everyone pause.

[Demsrule86]

23. That is a lie.

[SheilaT]

34. Oops. I did mis-state myself.

Her unfavorability rating is only about 55%, while his is 70%.

But back at the beginning of the campaign, a lot of people pointed out that never before had anyone been nominated with such a low approval rating as she had. Of course, that was when the Donald wasn't being taken seriously, even though his unfavorable number was always pretty high.

Given the ratings, we really are in an election where the choice is truly between two evils. Or at least two high unpopular candidates.

[NCTraveler]

11. "Given that Hillary herself has such phenomenally higher negatives than the Donald"

Link?

[brooklynite]

13. Try this one...

Favorability of Trump’s GOP Lowest in Bloomberg Poll’s History

Just 32 percent of Americans view the Republican Party favorably as it prepares to formally nominate Donald Trump for president, the latest Bloomberg Politics national poll shows, the lowest level recorded since the poll’s inception in September 2009.

The Democratic Party, by contrast, is seen favorably by 49 percent. Congress is viewed favorably by just 24 percent, the lowest since March 2010 and a response that found near bipartisan agreement in the poll.

Those views will not only shape the presidential race between Trump and Hillary Clinton, they could spill over into down-ballot contests that that will determine control of Congress and governorships after November.

“This is obviously related to perceptions of Trump,” said pollster J. Ann Selzer, who oversaw the survey. “This bleeds out into perceptions of the party and to other GOP politicians.”

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-06-15/national-poll-part-2

[SheilaT]

18. Here you go.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/clinton_favorableunfavorable-1131.html

and

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/hillary-clinton-favorable-rating

Of course, the Google is always your friend.

[NCTraveler]

21. You just posted to two sites...

That completely prove your claim is false.

[SheilaT]

33. Apparently you have a huge problem with reading or with numbers.

The first site shows Clinton's favorable rating at 39.4%, Unfavorable at 55.4%. As of June 14. Which number is higher?

The second site shows her favorable rating 43.4%, Unfavorable 54.4%. As of June 1. Again, I must ask, which number is higher? Or are you confused as to the precise meaning of "favorable" and "unfavorable"?


I'm just sorry that I can't copy and post those exact charts here.

[NCTraveler]

35. .

"Given that Hillary herself has such phenomenally higher negatives than the Donald"

[anigbrowl]

36. How are her unfavorables higher than those of Trump?

That was what you claimed in the first place, that her negatives were phenomenally higher than Trump's, and that's what everyone has been calling you out on. Why not just admit that statement was completely wrong?

[SheilaT]

37. I have already corrected my misstatement about

her unfavorables being higher than Trump's. I'm truly sorry, don't know what sort of brain freeze was happening.

Nonetheless, her unfavorables are high and getting higher since she became the presumed nominee. And the only reason that shouldn't have all of her supporters terrified is that his are even worse. Of course, if the GOP figures out how to keep him from actually becoming the nominee and come up with someone, anyone else, it will be highly worrisome.

Meanwhile, bask in the glory of knowing that you'll help elect someone who more than half of the people don't trust.

[anigbrowl]

42. Oh, I didn't see that - my mistake.

I don't care that much about her unfavorables; people have been talking for nearly 25 years about her unfavorables as a roundabout way of saying but she's such a bitch!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/lifestyle/1992/09/17/hillary-the-homemaker/440acb7f-098e-478e-b61d-4ba54eb05e24/

[greatauntoftriplets]

26. ...

[notadmblnd]

51. Nail just met hammer.

[yourpaljoey]

5. Impossible

Trump is fortified with those savory, tender-juicy™ Trump Steaks™ !
Ergo, he is indestructible.

[PoliticAverse]

8. Don't forgot the Trump Network vitamins...

[Agnosticsherbet]

7. What if Trump grows a conscious and realizes that he is hurting the American People

or the Republican Party.
I find that a far-fetched fantasy.

However, the people who elected him will not accept a Romney or Bush or Rubio. (Those three being the best choice to pretend they are centrists and appeal to the Republican-leaning independents, the middle, and the center-right republicans. The Republican party wanted a tough-talking, White privilege, extremist. They want a white guy, just like them.
There is a strong belief that people like Romney, McCain, Bush, etc are Republicans and Conservatives in name only by people who have no clue what intellectual Conservatism is.

Cruz would probably be the only person they would swallow.

Trump withdrawing would be seen as some kind of conspiracy by the elite Washington, and they'd probably be right. I suspect faced even with a Cruz coming out of the Republican Convention that a lot of voters would stay home, and goaded by tinfoil hat conspiracy theory, even some riots.

I think the Republican Party recognizes they are screwed and have written off the General Election for President. They are pouring money into down ticket races to save what they can.

[Demsrule86]

24. I don't agree. Trump is dangerous...more than a few GOP's will come home in the end...nt.

[Agnosticsherbet]

29. I agree that he is dangerous, but he has serious issues

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As a candidate.

[Demsrule86]

31. That is true

But we can't get complacent.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

12. Or, Jan Brewer, Nikki Haley, Lisa Murkowski, Kelly Ayotte, Susan Collins or Condoleeza Rice.

And, throw a wrench in the "First Woman Presidential Candidate" meme.

[rateyes]

14. Yep.

[Lord Magus]

15. You mean like how Palin as VP was supposed to appeal to Hillary voters in 08?

Give me a break.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

16. I think some of them could appeal to "moderate" or "pro-life" Democrats or Independents.

Don't you?

[mythology]

40. Not running with the guy who talks about

women bleeding out of their whatevers or talks about how women look good on their knees or any number of utterly idiotic things Trump can't stop himself from saying aloud.

[anigbrowl]

39. I could see Nikki Haley as a serious candidate

Not that I like her politics but she's an intelligent competent person. I would never put her in the same class as Palin.

[Demsrule86]

25. That won't happen.

And even if they managed it...Hillary was still the first nominee...so too bad.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

28. Really? I voted for a woman nominee in 2012.

[Demsrule86]

32. Ah you mean Jill Stein?

Why are you even here?

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

44. Because I'm a Democrat and like talking politics.

Why are you here?

[XRubicon]

19. I think your what if is plausible

Trump not making the GE that is. It won't be Kasich though.

It will be a Repub establishment safe choice which means they lose to Hillary.

[eastwestdem]

20. Agreed. It would be nearly impossible to get a campaign going from the ground up in such

a short period of time.

[greatauntoftriplets]

27. I'd say either Cruz since he came in second.

Or Romney again.

[Demsrule86]

22. kasich is a tool

and is disliked by the Republican base. I live in Ohio. What if we have unicorns?

[NCTraveler]

30. In order for something like that to work...

Trump himself would have to bow out. It will be a thing of beauty if they attempt to change the rules between now and the convention.

[athena]

43. Trump represents the views of the Republican Party's base.

That's why he's the nominee. It's not a fluke. Someone like Kasich wouldn't be able to get conservative voters to come out to vote.

See:

http://www.nybooks.com/articles/2016/06/23/why-trump-was-inevitable/

ne of the main reasons many political commentators were surprised by Donald Trump’s success in the primaries was his willingness to take extreme positions and use unusually harsh rhetoric in talking about immigration and related issues. Indeed, Trump’s comments about Mexican immigrants and Muslims have been at the center of his campaign. And his pronouncements on these topics have greatly concerned many Republican leaders and elected officials who feared they would harm the party’s image and damage its electoral prospects. But how did his positions and comments play with Republican primary voters?

The clear answer is that they reflected the views of likely Republican voters extremely well. We asked a series of questions about Trump’s controversial proposals (banning Muslims from entering the US, building a wall on the Mexican border, and identifying and deporting illegal immigrants). On all three issues overwhelming majorities of likely Republican voters supported his positions: almost three quarters (73 percent) favored banning Muslims from entering the US, 90 percent favored identifying and deporting illegal immigrants as quickly as possible, and 85 percent favored building a wall on the Mexican border.

Emphasis mine.

[Night Watchman]

45. Are You Talking About What I THINK You're Talking About???

If so, get professional help!

[rateyes]

46. I don't know what you THINK I am talking

about. So maybe YOU are the one in need of professional help, since YOU are the one thinking it, whatever it may be.

[Night Watchman]

49. "What if something happens to Trump and he is unable to run in the GE?

I'm not talking about the RNC replacing him because they disagree with him."

Your words, not mine.

[rateyes]

50. Yes, my words. And your response still doesn't

clarify what YOU think I am thinking about.

[B Calm]

47. I wouldn't be surprised if the oligarchy makes Trump disappear

before the Republican convention.

[rateyes]

48. Neither would I. And that doesn't bode well for us.