2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumThe Clinton's and HIV/AIDS: again, let's not lie about them/her
..while Sanders’ comments are welcome, his record is nowhere near equivalent to Clinton’s record, as Black AIDS Institute founder Phill Wilson noted on Facebook. He said, in part:
“For folks who are going to vote solely on a candidate’s HIV/AIDS record, including Secretary Clinton’s horrific revisionist statement about Nancy and Ronald Reagan, Bernie Sanders was elected to Congress in 1991, during some of the darkest days of the AIDS epidemic. While our brothers and sisters were dying and we were fighting for our lives, Senator Sanders was largely silent. I do not recall him demonstrating any leadership on this issue. On the other hand, Secretary Clinton has been there on this issue, every step of the way. I first met Secretary Clinton at AIDS Project Los Angeles in 1992 during Bill Clinton’s first presidential bid. Secretary Clinton demonstrated leadership then and continued to fight with and for us on this issue as first lady, Senator, and Secretary of State. When my lover Chris Brownlie died in 1989, President and Mrs. Clinton sent me a letter. Where was Senator Sanders? There are probably many reasons to vote or against Secretary Clinton or Senator Sanders, but if your litmus test is their track record on HIV/AIDS, we should be angry and hurt, but it would be nice if we could also be fair.”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/karen-ocamb/hillary-clintons-record-on-aids_b_9463134.html
About the Clinton Foundation and HIV/AIDS
Our ruling
Clinton said 9 million people have lower-cost HIV/AIDS medicine thanks to the efforts of the Clinton Foundation and her husband. Bill Clinton started the foundation and its first big project was the Clinton Health Access Initiative. The program focused on using market mechanisms to reduce treatment costs. Costs have fallen dramatically and the initiative remains a key global player in maintaining a steady supply of affordable drugs.
If anything, Clinton understated the number of people who have benefited from the program. We rate this claim True.
http://www.politifact.com/global-news/statements/2016/jun/15/hillary-clinton/clinton-clinton-foundation-helped-9-million-lower-/
Read the articles. Read other things that the Clinton's have done on HIV/AIDS. Stop using the one incorrect statement she made to invalidate an entire body of work on HIV/AIDS activism and leadership.
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La Lioness Priyanka
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DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)a huge project in Arkansas battling hiv/aids when bill clinton was president.
there is a reason EVERY gay org support her
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)La Lioness Priyanka
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TwilightZone
(25,468 posts)One dumb comment after a funeral is apparently more important to some people than a couple of decades of involvement in a cause and the Foundation's work to get millions of people lower-cost medications.
La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)UNLESS we are clearly just using this as an excuse
TwilightZone
(25,468 posts)La Lioness Priyanka
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Hekate
(90,662 posts)La Lioness Priyanka
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MineralMan
(146,288 posts)La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)In an area where they genuinely have show great leadership really rubs me the wrong way.
MineralMan
(146,288 posts)made countless people's lives better. There's no way to diminish that effort. Anyone who tries is simply not telling the truth or hiding crucial information.
HumanityExperiment
(1,442 posts)HRC and her supporters here have no shame evidently and are willing to go to great lengths to smear a good man
http://www.sevendaysvt.com/OffMessage/archives/2015/06/30/32-years-before-scotus-decision-sanders-backed-gay-pride-march
'The day after the Supreme Court ruled same-sex marriage a constitutional right, Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) assured an audience in Nashua, N.H., Saturday morning that he's no newcomer to gay rights.
Sanders' evidence? His 1996 vote against the Defense of Marriage Act, which defined marriage as "a legal union between one man and one woman" and allowed states to refuse to recognize gay marriages performed elsewhere. The bill was signed into law by President Bill Clinton, husband of Sanders' rival for the Democratic nomination, Hillary Clinton.'
"Back in 1996, that was a tough vote," Sanders told his audience, according to The Hill. "Not too many people voted against it, but I did."
When gay rights organizers planned Burlington's first-ever pride parade in June 1983 — two years after Sanders was elected mayor of the Queen City — they called on the Board of Aldermen to designate June 25 Lesbian and Gay Pride Day.
"This human rights issue is of great importance to our community," the Organizing Committee of the Lesbian and Gay Pride Celebration wrote in a June 6 letter to the board.
Opposition to the proposal was strong — and, in some instances, vitriolic. In its own letter to the aldermen, dated June 16, the Vermont branch of the Maranatha Christian Church argued against such a proclamation.
"We will express our sympathy with the sick humanity that is involved in this sin but can in no way on God's earth and in light of His scripture condone or even sit back and not voice God's word," the church wrote as it requested permission to testify on the matter.
After quite some debate at a June 13 meeting, the board voted six to five in favor of designating the date of the march Lesbian and Gay Pride Day, according to a contemporaneous story from the Burlington Free Press. Opponents, such as Alderman Diane Gallagher, a Ward 6 Republican, questioned why the march required official recognition.
"Can't you just go out and have your party and enjoy yourselves and make your point without asking the city to have a proclamation?" she asked.
Sanders indicated at the meeting that he would sign the proclamation, according to the Freeps' Scott Mackay.
"In the city of Burlington and in the state of Vermont, people have the right to exercise their lifestyles," Sanders said. "It's an American right, anyone's right to have a march... This is a civil liberties question."
The mayor elaborated on his reasoning later that month in a memo penned on the eve of the march.
"In our democratic society, it is the responsibility of government to safeguard civil liberties and civil rights — especially the freedom of speech and expression," Sanders wrote. "In a free society, we must all be committed to the mutual respect of each others [sic] lifestyle."
'Sanders didn't back down. The next year, the Board of Aldermen passed a resolution urging all levels of government to support gay rights, according to a letter in the archives from the Organizing Committee for Lesbian and Gay Pride Celebration, which invited Sanders to speak at its 1984 rally.
On June 22, 1985, Sanders wrote members of the gay community to inform them that the board had passed yet another such resolution.
"It is my very strong view that a society which proclaims human freedom as its goal, as the United States does, must work unceasingly to end discrimination against all people," he wrote. "I am happy to say that this past year, in Burlington, we have made some important progress by adopting an ordinance which prohibits discrimination in housing. This law will give legal protection not only to welfare recipients, and families with children, the elderly and the handicapped — but to the gay community as well."'
'While some publicly eviscerated the mayor, others privately commended him.
"I thank you sincerely for your endorsement of Lesbian and Gay Pride Day in Burlington," Milton's Bob Skiba wrote Sanders in a letter dated June 22, 1983. "Your endorsement gives me more reason to be glad for your re-election."
Skiba wrote that for every person who marched in the upcoming parade, "there will be a dozen who, because of fear, cannot." Such fears, he said, "make us hide what is at the center of our existence as human beings."
"Do we need a Lesbian and Gay Pride Day? When our lives must be a struggle for peace and self respect — yes!" he wrote. "We are here, in Burlington as everywhere. We are your children, your relatives, your friends and co-workers. We are gay. For all who cannot march I thank you."
La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)HumanityExperiment
(1,442 posts)facts are a funny thing, when you know them it makes crushing these smear attempts easy
La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)Also what you posted had nothing to do with HIV AIDS
HumanityExperiment
(1,442 posts)obviously you don't know the facts since you can't or won't refute what I posted from that linked material, so you have that going for ya
La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)Was related to this thread. Which is why I also you how they were related
HumanityExperiment
(1,442 posts)here's a more recent example of Bernie and his advocacy on the subject you're attempting to smear him on:
http://www.politico.com/story/2012/05/sanders-floats-plan-to-make-hiv-drugs-less-costly-076300
La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)You have it with black AIDS leaders
HumanityExperiment
(1,442 posts)n/t
Andy823
(11,495 posts)But your "experiment" has failed.
HumanityExperiment
(1,442 posts)what a witty fella.... I've placed your participation prize in the bowl 
La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)The quote you object to is not from me
HumanityExperiment
(1,442 posts)clearly you don't know the full facts since you have yet to defend anything you've posted as well as what I've presented
La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)Pertains to what I quoted
HumanityExperiment
(1,442 posts)have a day! 
La Lioness Priyanka
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Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Other projects they have worked to correct and better the lives of others. As a Democrat who voted for Carter and Clinton, I am very happy the two former Democratic presidents have turned their efforts to helping others. I don't know what is in Presidents future but I know it will be great, no so much for former Republican presidents.
