16/48 Democratic conventions have been contested. What if Bernie weren't Jewish? Would

[Karmadillo]

he be able to contest the convention without constant accusations of sexism or Trumpism?

http://leavittpartners.com/2016/03/a-history-of-contested-political-conventions/

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Contested nominating conventions are unusual, but not uncommon for either of the major parties. Since the founding of both political parties (1832 for the Democratic Party, and 1856 for the Republican Party, or GOP) a total of 90 nominating conventions have been held. Of these 90 conventions, 26 – or nearly 30% have been contested conventions. The Democrats have had 16 contested conventions out of 48, and the GOP has had 10 out of 42 conventions. They seem rare to us because the last two contested conventions for either party was 1952 for the Democrats, and 1948 for the Republicans. In the modern political era where a large majority of delegates for each party is chosen through primaries and caucuses, a contested convention has not occurred. (In 1976 neither Gerald Ford, the incumbent president nor Ronald Reagan had enough committed delegates to claim a majority heading into the GOP convention; however Ford prevailed prior to the first ballot in securing 52% of the delegate (votes).

When a contested convention does occur, the candidate with the highest number of delegates after the first ballot has only won a minority of times. For the Democrats, the leading candidate after the first ballot secured the nomination 7 out of 16 times. For the Republicans, the leading candidate only secured the nomination 3 out of 10 times.

[Zynx]

1. You can't compare pre-1972 conventions to recent ones.

The nature of the contest has fundamentally altered. Also, Hillary will unquestionably win on the first ballot.

[joshcryer]

12. The irony of including smoke filled rooms with rich white men...

...escapes them.

[Hortensis]

47. But rather amusing for us

anti-Semitic bigots. At least, that's what we're supposed to be, right?

[Agschmid]

59. Duh.

[MineralMan]

2. What on Earth does his being Jewish have to do with anything?

Why would you even bring that up?

[w4rma]

29. There is at least one 'protected' anti-Semite, here, that - IMHO - should have been banned.

I won't name names, but I bet you can infer at least one person who constantly projects their racism onto others.

[Hortensis]

48. You keep hitting that note. One angry, immoderate

statement long ago now about Bernie does not make a person into a "protected anti-Semite." At least I'm assuming you are referring to the same person as in the other post that just got hidden? Please correct me if I'm mistaken.

As the wife of a Jew, I'm actually rather sensitive about aggressive targeting and hatemongering myself and feel sure I would notice it.

[w4rma]

53. If it were "one statement" and done, then I wouldn't be calling for a ban. (nt)

[Cali_Democrat]

49. So this isn't about Bernie....it's about one poster here you feel should be banned...

[Hekate]

60. This is Meta. Take it up with the Admins, and stop posting this non-information.

[Squinch]

52. Oh, haven't you heard? DU is all kinds of anti-Semitic. If DU weren't, BS would have won.

And if they repeat that nonsense often enough and click their heels together, maybe their dream of anti-Semitism will come true.

Sarcasm, in case it is not clear to the jury.

[MineralMan]

55. How could I not have noticed that, given all the threads I have

read here. Thanks so much for pointing it out to me. I'm such a novice.

That said, there's certainly an anti-Israel contingent here, but I avoid the I/P group religiously. It's part of my atheism.

[MattP]

3. So are you calling the majority of Jews anti-semites

Keep grasping those straws

[LoverOfLiberty]

4. That's like asking if Hillary weren't a woman

would Sanders already have admitted defeat.

[apcalc]

5. Who cares if he's Jewish?

[Fozzledick]

6. Some posters here have made it plain they do.

But they keep getting pardoned no matter how many times their posts are hidden.

[840high]

9. Yes. I have 3 on ignore.

[apcalc]

10. Gotta be trolls....i mean really

[grossproffit]

24. What about anti-Zionists? I view anti-Zionists as anti-Semites just like the Pope does.

[AntiBank]

35. thats rubbish. Zionism is a political philosophy

[Fozzledick]

37. Zionism is Jewish nationalism.

Anti-Zionism is denying Jews the right to live in their own country because of who they are.

[grossproffit]

38. +1

[AntiBank]

40. its not just their country.

[leftinportland]

51. Antibank is correct...

It is not their country alone.

[Vote2016]

16. No shit! How are such blatant bigots tolerated here? It disgusts me.

[Juicy_Bellows]

18. I didn't believe it until a kind fellow DUer showed me the goods.

It boggles a just mind.

[Vote2016]

19. If someone was so bigoted against African Americans or Hispanic Americans, they'd be banned for life

in a heartbeat.

Yet antisemitism is simply tolerated in this community. It is grotesque.

[riderinthestorm]

21. +10000 nt

[Tarc]

23. No one, apart from occasional low-post throwaway accounts, perhaps

has displayed antisemitic rhetoric against Bernie Sanders. Bernie himself rarely brings up his Jewish roots anyways, so it'd be a rather odd attack tangent for Hillary people to follow.

Please do not insinuate that your fellow DU'ers are antisemitic; it is a serious and heavy criticism to lay on someone...or a general group of someones...so you best e damn sure such an accusation can be backed by proof.

[840high]

31. That simply is not true. I just

posted today on a Hillary supporters post. She has posted ugly stuff before.

[Tarc]

42. link it

[840high]

50. Search it.

[Tarc]

54. I don't think "posts that a Bernie guy thinks is antisemitic" is a viable search method

If you cannot produce evidence to support your claim, then you will be dismissed out of hand.

[840high]

56. If I post a link to her it

will be hidden by jury.

[Tarc]

57. Then I accept your conceding the point.

[riderinthestorm]

41. The red baiting in particular has been despicable.

It's been across the board from many HRC supporters, calling him comrade Bernie, attacking his time in Israel, spinning his mayoral visit to Burlington's Russian sister city as something sinister, etc.

You're refusal to acknowledge the despicable anti-semitism says a lot.

[Tarc]

43. Sorry, there's some questionable comments and actions of Bernie regarding Communists

in the past that are fair game. His "vast time" spent in Israel was for 6 weeks in a socialist-oriented kibbutz, and he has heaped much praise on Fidel Castro and Daniel Ortega over the years.

You're refusal to acknowledge the despicable anti-semitism says a lot.

There is some, but not in the direction you think. Posts that espouse and promote BDS would be a starter.

[Hekate]

61. They aren't

[Fla Dem]

30. Sorry, anyone who posts anti-Jewish comments are quickly FFR'd or banned.

Most of them are short term trolls. If you have evidence of such activity, you need to alert on them. Keeping in mind that disagreements on policy issues are not necessarily anti-Semitic.

[840high]

32. See my post above you.

[Joe the Revelator]

58. That's not *quite* true.

[Amimnoch]

45. There have been some anti-Semitic posts by some.

Personally, even though I'm also totally for Hillary, the ones I've seen, I've joined in with the Sanders peop's. There should be no place for that kind of shit here.

The vast majority of supporters of Hillary are not anti-semites. We should not accept the ones who are just because they support our candidate.

Conversely, I believe the vast majority of supporters of Bernie are not misogynistic. They should not accept the ones who are just because they support their candidate.

I've seen instances of both, and is probably the biggest problem I've had with this primary season.

[Arkansas Granny]

7. What does being Jewish have to do with anything?

[SFnomad]

8. How many "contested convention" OPs are you going to create that have no basis in reality? n/t

[TwilightZone]

11. You don't seem to understand what a contested convention is.

A contested convention is when one candidate doesn't go into the convention with a majority of delegates.

That doesn't apply to 2016. Because, math.

[anigbrowl]

13. I don't even remember he's Jewish except when his supporters are complaining about it

Maybe his ethnic identity is more of a talking point on the east coast but out here I can't remember ever hearing anyone express an opinion about it.

[redstateblues]

28. Exactly. Well put.

[zappaman]

14. Who?

[Demsrule86]

20. I don't believe you

I do not believe Skinner tolerates anti-Jewish posters...you Bernie folk are always alerting posts for all sorts of reasons and stacking juries...I have seen one post that you all called antisemitic. but I don't think it was...the poster said Bernie had not reached out to POC. So stop slandering DU...honestly why are you folks even here? You do know that people read DU who are not part of DU right? I was a lurker for quite a while...-most are...some are not friendly to our cause...and what you say is reported back. You really want folks saying we tolerate Anti-Jewish rhetoric here? And let me say again. I don't believe it. This is a great site and I do not believe Skinner would tolerate it...nor the mods.

[840high]

33. See my post above

[NCTraveler]

17. Knocked it out of the park with this one.

[jcgoldie]

22. "contested" seems to imply one candidate has not already won

That's not the case here.

[TeacherB87]

26. Because he's Jewish? Seriously?

I'd be more inclined to say it was because he's athiest. But even that isn't as much a barrier anymore.

[RandySF]

27. .

[eastwestdem]

34. I thought he was agnostic? nt

[Beacool]

36. Oh please, as if most people even remember that he's Jewish.

[brooklynite]

39. Two days left...

[treestar]

44. Now you're really reaching

He should have conceded by now based on number of votes - all previous candidates would have.

[KingFlorez]

46. The last contested convention was held when most states had no primaries

The process was still mostly closed to voters and left up to party insiders. Plus, there were more than two candidates up for the nomination. Right now we have an open process where voters participate and we have only two candidates. For a contested convention you would need more than two candidates for there to even be a second ballot.

[Lazy Daisy]

62. It has a whole lot to do with it

of all the ism/ist/ic going on these days antisemitism is the one getting the least amount of attention and backlash.
It's not the outrage of the moment. Just because we're not paying it much attention doesn't mean it's not there.
Take a look at some of the ugliness posted by the RW and Hillary supporters around the internet, insults are slung in his direction for being a Jew. Some very plainly, some not so plain.