Democratic lawmaker says Trump could be a secret Clinton plant: Bill and Donald ‘are buddies

[DonViejo]

For a long time, there’s been a conspiracy theory floating around that presumptive Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump decided to run for office at the behest of the Clinton family as a way to destroy the GOP and pave the way for Hillary Clinton’s presidency.

Now at least one Democratic congresswoman is openly musing about the idea that this conspiracy has some truth to it.

In an interview with The National Review, Rep. Marcy Kaptur (D-OH) talks about rumors she’s heard about Trump being a secret Clinton plant — and she can’t dismiss the idea entirely.

“There are some theories on the internet that this is Bill Clinton’s best political deal,” says Kaptur, who supported Hillary Clinton’s rival Bernie Sanders in this year’s Democratic primary. “That he and Donald are buddies, and they have a lot of similar friends in New York, and he has masterfully selected a friend who maybe by October will say, ‘You know, this is very boring. And I’m going to get out.’ Do I believe it 100 percent, do I believe it 2 percent? You know, you really wonder.”

While it’s unlikely that Trump is in cahoots with Bill Clinton to ensure a Hillary Clinton victory this fall, it is true that Trump has acted exactly as you’d expect a pro-Clinton plant to act. After all, he’s sown division and chaos within the Republican Party and has also helped drive the GOP’s favorable ratings to their lowest ever.

In other words, even if he’s not a plant, he’s doing a really good job of acting like one.



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[tonyt53]

1. "Theories on the internet". Yep, and so are theories about aliens building the pyramids

Nobody said the GOP had the lock on the stupid gene.

[Hortensis]

60. Lol. All by itself it's ridiculous. Quite aside from

the excellent position Hillary entered the race in, it is also virtually impossible to imagine Trump keeping such a humongous secret or anyone trusting him with one that would almost certainly lead to long prison terms if revealed. Gee, what if something said during the GE offended this ticking time bomb?

Above all, this kind of election tampering is extremely illegal and thus way beyond just dangerous. Conducted at the presidential level, subverting a party that represents a third to half of all voters?! The entire nation would be calling for the conspirators' heads. Including us.

[Kentonio]

62. Is it actually illegal? How could they prove he intended to lose?

[RandySF]

2. How does one respond to that level of crazy?

[DonViejo]

8. She defeated Dennis Kucinich in that messed up redistricting

the Ohio GOP drew up.

[msanthrope]

34. She's trolling the GOP. It's hysterical. nt

[woodsprite]

3. I've been saying this since he entered the race.

It'll be interesting to see how it plays out.

[tonyt53]

5. Well now you have some company. Not much, but some.

[1StrongBlackMan]

37. LOL ... Now, that made me laugh. Thanks.

[JackRiddler]

40. It was my very first thought when he first surged.

"This is a plot to get 81% for Clinton."

Not that there's evidence enough available to back it.

[GreatGazoo]

42. I still love this 2015 People magazine article that lays out evidence for a Trump Clinton alliance

but then treats it as nothing unusual:



http://www.people.com/article/chelsea-clinton-ivanka-trump-friends

[Live and Learn]

52. Me too. I find it quite humerous that now some are claiming he only wanted the publicity

to start his own show. He didn't need to run for that.

I believe Trump wanted to ensure Bush didn't win and to ensure a Clinton victory. I am sure he would expect some payoffs later.

[cali]

4. Trump is the king of all narcissicists.

that makes this theory utterly ridiculous.

[PJMcK]

12. Exactly right

But IF it were true, it would be the most brilliant political ploy of all time. The Big Dog would have engineered not just the election of his wife but the destruction of the party that has been trying to ruin him for 30 years.

But it's not realistic, especially if you look at Mr. Trump's life and behavior. Most likely, he and Mr. Clinton spoke casually and Mr. Trump said something like, "I'm thinking of running for president. Whaddya think, Bill?" Mr. Clinton would likely have said, "Donald, you can do anything you want." The Donald would have heard that as a ringing endorsement.

Sometimes, it's fun to make up shit!

[MADem]

6. Anyone who believes that shit probably buys a LOT of tin foil. nt

[In_The_Wind]

13. That was my first thought.

[grossproffit]

15. And spray paint to huff.

[still_one]

59. What we have is a Sanders supporter, being interviewed by the right wing national review, and of

course we see some Sanders supporters only too willing to believe this bullshit

Sanders lost the nomination because more Democrats wanted Hillary over Bernie. Some seem to have a problem with that.

There are also some here on DU that sing praises to a so-called progressive site which refers to Hillary with the most sexist vulgar terms, with descriptions that if there was "cosmic justice she would stroke out", along with such hate and animosity, that it would be unrecognizable from an extreme right wing hate group

This is sad and pathetic, and Monday cannot come too soon

[MyNameGoesHere]

7. Well bat shit crazy knows no part lines. eom

[gordianot]

9. That would be totally Hillarious.

Take a look at these: http://www.politico.com/blogs/under-the-radar/2016/06/trump-bill-clinton-photos-library-224447

[CBGLuthier]

10. Funny, I think something similar but the opposite based on the same thing

The Clintons and the Trumps sure are a bunch of swell pals.

[grossproffit]

11. Let me guess, she endorsed Sanders?

[DonViejo]

22. Yep...

First sentence, fourth paragraph:

“There are some theories on the internet that this is Bill Clinton’s best political deal,” says Kaptur, who supported Hillary Clinton’s rival Bernie Sanders in this year’s Democratic primary.

[grossproffit]

24. Thanks. I only read the headline.

[DonViejo]

27. You're welcome. Not a big deal

[felix_numinous]

14. Everything has seemed

very scripted from the very start and all the way through, and going off script is not allowed.

[billymike]

16. Then again

Trump and Clinton did meet before the primary season; that has been well-documented.
Consider the relative craziness of American political culture, which surpasses anything I've seen in fifty years.
A year from now, in retrospect, if you were to find that this theory were true, would you really be surprised?
Good for you for catching this update to the theory, DonViego!

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

17. Well..he was Democrat for 8 years.

[Live and Learn]

53. Yep. nt

[LenaBaby61]

18. Isn't Marcy Kaptur from Ohio.....

The woman mentioned in this "crazy" article saying that tRump could be a Clinton plant endorsed by Bernie?

Oh, I see ....

[DonViejo]

36. Yes, she's from Ohio. Her district is in the northwest...

corner, from Cleveland to the state line. She defeated Dennis Kucinich

[quickesst]

19. Haha......

This is pure batshit woo-woo, but let's play with it a little. Say it was true. How could anyone fault Bill and Hillary Clinton for taking the hugest step ever taken in destroying the Republican Party. A goal near and dear to all Progressive Democrats. Would this bait-and-switch be dishonest? I don't think so since it would clearly be playing by republican rules ie, redistricting, voter suppression, etc, and I could go on. In conclusion, if it were true I would have one thing to say.... Well played Mr. And Ms. Clinton, well played.

[oasis]

20. No way Kaptur predicted Trump would top a field of 17 GOP candidates.

When a member of congress introduces tinfoil bullshit and believes it will HELP VOTER TURNOUT,
it puts her fitness to hold office in question.

[sadoldgirl]

21. I agree totally with this:

Many decry him as a stupid megalomaniac or narcissist,
while is a very shrewd manipulator.

Anyone running for that office would never insult
every part of the citizens, which is not white and
male. He will get worse, and I wonder how the repug
leadership will take his "be quiet" order.

He loves to play mischief with their party, and I don't
think that he wants this job at all.

Much easier for him to help HRC to win and later
to collect her debt to him. Makes perfect sense for
those, who have seen the Clintons' triangulations.

[grossproffit]

26. Yeah, if his goal was to lose his brand name & be the laughing stock of the world

[sadoldgirl]

35. Not at all:

He makes such outrageous remarks that the
Convention will turn him down. Then he claims to
be furious and runs as an independent, and the repugs
will lose anyway.

If he becomes the nominee he will lose as well.
Thus the triangulation will have worked.

[grossproffit]

39. His brand name is shit now. That's a fact.

[Live and Learn]

55. Nope. That is not how it works in America. nt

[Live and Learn]

54. +1000 nt

[sufrommich]

23. A Bernie supporter believes conspiracies she saw on the internet.

That hardly ever happens.

[BootinUp]

66. lol nt

[zappaman]

25. True. all arranged by the BFEE who can do anything

Well, except get Jeb the nomination.
Otherwise they can do ANYTHING!

[jamese777]

28. Trump Is the Only Republican Nominee

who has donated money on several occasions to his Democratic opponent's presidential and senate campaigns and to her foundation.

[Kelvin Mace]

29. It would explain SO much

and I wish I could dismiss it out of hand as preposterous.

I am holding out hope that Trump is really Andy Kaufman in a orange rubber mask.

[DesertRat]

32. They are not friends

http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/03/politics/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-friends/

[Live and Learn]

56. All part of the game. nt

[jamese777]

38. "Keep your friends close...

and your enemies closer."

[1StrongBlackMan]

31. Posted to so I can be sure to find it again.

[AzDar]

33. K & R

[ucrdem]

41. I think it's a mostly RW meme.

The phone call has been discussed here for at least a year, and the part about Trump being ready taking a fall for Hillary has been around since at least Christmas because it was old news to my RW relations.

Why is Kaptur giving interviews to the National Review anyway?

[eastwestdem]

43. Those Clinton's sure are smart...maybe we should make one of them president! nt

[Peachhead22]

44. There was a time....

...when I strongly suspected Trump was just messin with Pubs' heads. Back in the primary when he was like Stephen Colbert during the Colbert Report days. Spouting crap we only thought Pubs' said between themselves in hushed tones. The he came right out and said "Bush lied" to get us into Iraq. And I thought "OK now he's totally f*ckin with them". Most high-profile Dems try to be more polite than that. But a high profile 'Pub saying that? I couldn't believe my ears.

But at this stage, Trump has spent hundreds of millions of his own money on this. And been this batshit crazy for several years now, at least. If it's a con, then Trump is the greatest performance artist the world has ever seen.

[Live and Learn]

57. Hundreds of millions? Got a link for that? I think his publicity has been mainly free. nt

[bvar22]

45. Sounds far fetched to me,

but as far as Bill Clinton is concerned, he would befriend the devil if he thought there was a buck in it for him.

Come to think of it, weren't the famous "crossroads" where you cut your "deal" in Arkansas?

[Doctor_J]

46. can you think of anyone else she could beat?

with her stratospheric negatives, it would be difficult for her to get a majority against a normal candidate imo. sanders was nice to her during the primary campaign, and many who support her policies would get similar things from a moderate republican. trump is certainly making this easy for her.

[jamese777]

47. I can think of someone she could beat

Bernie Sanders.
Hillary Clinton: 16,544,036 (55.8%)
Bernie Sanders: 12,743,066 (42.8%)

[Live and Learn]

58. +1000 nt

[Juicy_Bellows]

48. The take away is the last line in your OP.

"In other words, even if he’s not a plant, he’s doing a really good job of acting like one. "

Which is why a shred of credibility exists for Kaptur's theory.

[wiggs]

49. I'm beginning to agree he's a plant...but for the RNC. The GOP is going to be

able to nominate someone who didn't win the GOP primaries (frankly, that's the only way a gop nominee will win the general election). Trump won't be the nominee. He's going to quit, just after he:

...drives his unfavorables so high he can't win, and in the process makes any other potential gop nominee look like a savior

...raises no money, spends no money on a general election campaign

...acts as a 24/7 distraction so that dems and Hillary focus on him rather than on really poor gop policies over the last 40 years. She should really be talking about broad themes, not Trump

...inks a deal with the RNC, Adelson, the Kochs, and probably Romney to drop out. 500 million. He avoids losing. He makes tons of money. He gets over on EVERYBODY, dems and pugs, which is the only thing he really cares about. Only a handful of people need to know about it

...just after he sees that he can claim that the RNC has screwed him, justifying that he can quit. He won't say he's quitting because he's going to lose, he'll quit because he'll say he's not going to continue make a Huge sacrifice in time and money for a party that doesn't support him. And more and more goprs clearly have gotten a signal that it's OK to criticize Trump...something formerly forbidden since Reagan. The signal was given because it's essential that it be clear Trump doesn't have full GOP support.

No one who wants to win acts as he does.

He's a Trojan Horse....he's a false front....He's going to fake his own political death in order to profit enormously when the gop either buys him out or he sues their asses off. There's no way he stays in, facing 70% disapproval and certain defeat. He doesn't have the character required to risk that. 500 million is nothing for the gop, to stave off not only a presidential loss but defeats up and down the ballot. Won't happen.

If he was in it for the Clintons, he would have run as an independent.

[Jamaal510]

50. Since the Clintons

have so much power, that gives me an even larger incentive to vote for HC in November!


This would be extremely funny if there weren't actual people out there who believe it. I've encountered plenty of posters on The Grio and TPM's FB pages who buy the theories about the Clintons and Trump being "friends" and about them secretly asking him to be in the race so HC could win. What would he have to gain from running into tons of protesters who hate him (and sometimes want to kill him), and spending many months doing debates and speeches only to throw the election? Plus, she was defeating all of their candidates in many different polls, not just Trump.

Paranoia and a lack of critical thinking aren't exclusive to RWers, apparently. People are acting like this is a game, but it's not. We're an election away from having someone who is under-qualified, racist, sexist, xenophobic, etc. running the free world.

[Live and Learn]

51. I do believe someone has been reading DU. That certainly has been my theory. nt

[JohnnyRingo]

61. No one expected him to be successful.

To imagine the Clintons planting him so he could go on to become the GOP candidate is a stretch of incredible proportions.

[HereSince1628]

63. Unlike but he's acted that way...hmm, if it looks like a duck, and acts like a duck...

Maybe we should consider the possibility that it either believes it is a duck or is playing the role of a duck on tv and at campaign rallies near you.

The appearances given off by this primary have been gob-smacking.

[yardwork]

64. Marcy Kaptur is virulently anti-choice.

[OilemFirchen]

65. Marcy, Marcy, Marcy!

[joshcryer]

67. If so it'd be one of the greatess political moves in US history.

So there's that.

[2cannan]

68. Maybe she's helping Hillary by saying it? After all, tRUMP supporters

are probably huge Clinton haters and if they thought tRUMP was selling them out they might leave him in droves!