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RBInMaine

(13,570 posts)
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 08:09 PM Jun 2016

The primary purists remind me of those who booed Bob Dylan when he plugged in.

Young Bob Dylan liked many kinds of music including rock and roll. This was back in MN before he went to NYC in his very early 20's. Then he was inspired by Woody Guthrie, others he met in NYC, and went heavy into folk music and created his great folk anthems that became part of the 60's peace and counterculture movements. Folk music was indeed consider the "great" music, the "pure" music. But Dylan always wanted to branch out. So when he plugged in, he got booed in the US and overseas. Tossed right under the bus, even though his shows were half acoustic.

But if Dylan had been "pure," we'd never have had "Like a Rolling Stone," "Along the Watch Tower," "Someday Baby," or "Things Have Changed." I have even heard him do a great electric version of "Blowin in the Wind" with Santana.

Blind purists usually don't accomplish much because they are entirely uncompromising, and they alienate themselves from the more flexible majority. It is all or nothing. Black or white. Political purists are NOT progressive because they hamstring themselves. Being progressive means making progress, not being pure.

Hillary Clinton is a progressive who gets things done. That is what being progressive is.

PS: Dylan got booed, and then went on to an extraordinary career winning about every conceivable honor. He has won Grammys, an Oscar, Kennedy Center Honors, Rock and Songwriter Halls of Fame, the Presidential Medal of Freedom, and others at home and abroad. He would have never accomplished all that in the limited cubby hole of "purity."

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The primary purists remind me of those who booed Bob Dylan when he plugged in. (Original Post) RBInMaine Jun 2016 OP
True that nt Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #1
"Hillary Clinton is a progressive who gets things done. That is what being progressive is." XRubicon Jun 2016 #2
Tell me what things she has gotten done, please. No kidding. hedda_foil Jun 2016 #14
She won the nomination XRubicon Jun 2016 #15
Yes she has done that, but in policy terms, what has she gotten done. hedda_foil Jun 2016 #17
Yup. People wanted Dylan to be MineralMan Jun 2016 #3
K&R Good Post Grassy Knoll Jun 2016 #4
Then again... pat_k Jun 2016 #5
Yes Yes Yes. elleng Jun 2016 #8
Hillary Clinton is Bob Dylan plugging in. A-Schwarzenegger Jun 2016 #6
She is no progressive. Fauxgressive perhaps pinebox Jun 2016 #7
lol nt m-lekktor Jun 2016 #9
Very good analogy. nt eastwestdem Jun 2016 #10
Surely you're not that naive, but just in case ... GeorgeGist Jun 2016 #11
Your definition of progressivism is devoid of political and philosophical substance. aikoaiko Jun 2016 #12
As an avid Dylan fan, I call Ishtar! Juicy_Bellows Jun 2016 #13
Change is scary, but it comes whether or not we are prepared to meet it. n/t Orsino Jun 2016 #16
Speaking of Bob Dylan, I first saw him MineralMan Jun 2016 #18

XRubicon

(2,212 posts)
2. "Hillary Clinton is a progressive who gets things done. That is what being progressive is."
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 08:12 PM
Jun 2016

This!

Bernie and his cult don't get this.

hedda_foil

(16,371 posts)
14. Tell me what things she has gotten done, please. No kidding.
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 10:51 PM
Jun 2016

It would make it much easier to vote for her if any of her supporters would please let me know what she/they are referring to by the phrase "a progressive who gets things done."

MineralMan

(146,262 posts)
3. Yup. People wanted Dylan to be
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 08:14 PM
Jun 2016

What they wanted, not what he wanted. He did that anyhow. The funny thing was that they didn't want Dylan. They wanted something they couldn't even define.

pat_k

(9,313 posts)
5. Then again...
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 08:22 PM
Jun 2016

...the Democratic strategy of trying to get half a loaf (because that's all they think the Repubs will give them) has just left us with less than a quarter of the loaf. That is, we end up very, very far away from what we actually needed to accomplish.

There is power in going for what actually needs to be done. You don't give away the store before the negotiations start. The Democratic addiction to premature surrender is the biggest barrier to progress we face.

On Edit: Not to mention that the failure to exhibit the strengthen of our convictions is why Dems are labeled weak. Weakness does not inspire people. And you need to inspire people to get things done.

 

pinebox

(5,761 posts)
7. She is no progressive. Fauxgressive perhaps
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 08:31 PM
Jun 2016

Sorry but we've been through this dance many times and the outcome is always the same, she is willing to say anything for political expediency and some things which are progressive pillars like universal health care she doesn't even support.

aikoaiko

(34,163 posts)
12. Your definition of progressivism is devoid of political and philosophical substance.
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 09:44 PM
Jun 2016

Your preferred candidate for the nomination suffers from the same deficiency.

Progressivism isn't about "getting things done." Lots of conservatives "get things done" too.

Democrats, leftests, and independents are booing Clinton because many don't trust what she says because they don't like what she has done (to paraphrase Yahne Ndgo).

Juicy_Bellows

(2,427 posts)
13. As an avid Dylan fan, I call Ishtar!
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 09:46 PM
Jun 2016

We live in a political world and everything is broken.

I think a more apt analogy would be Garth Brooks turning into Chris Gaines - YMMV.


MineralMan

(146,262 posts)
18. Speaking of Bob Dylan, I first saw him
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 02:30 PM
Jun 2016

at the 1963 Monterey Folk Festival. The audience mostly ignored his set, talking over his music. It wasn't until Joan Baez came out and told everyone to shut up and listen to this singer that people started to pay attention. "He has something to say," she told the crowd.

His first album was a bomb, but "The Freewheelin' Bob Dylan was released in 1963, and changed things up. He and Joan Baez started up a romantic relationship at that festival. I saw them walking around the grounds together a couple of times.

Why was I there? I was just 17, a senior in high school and part of a folk quartet that never really went anywhere. We all went up there to attend. Dylan's performance was a highlight for me, although I had a teen crush on Joan Baez, too.

Funniest thing at that festival was hearing Jerry Garcia playing banjo with a bluegrass group. I'd never heard of him at the time.

All in all, it was a good, good time.

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