2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumThe primary purists remind me of those who booed Bob Dylan when he plugged in.
Young Bob Dylan liked many kinds of music including rock and roll. This was back in MN before he went to NYC in his very early 20's. Then he was inspired by Woody Guthrie, others he met in NYC, and went heavy into folk music and created his great folk anthems that became part of the 60's peace and counterculture movements. Folk music was indeed consider the "great" music, the "pure" music. But Dylan always wanted to branch out. So when he plugged in, he got booed in the US and overseas. Tossed right under the bus, even though his shows were half acoustic.
But if Dylan had been "pure," we'd never have had "Like a Rolling Stone," "Along the Watch Tower," "Someday Baby," or "Things Have Changed." I have even heard him do a great electric version of "Blowin in the Wind" with Santana.
Blind purists usually don't accomplish much because they are entirely uncompromising, and they alienate themselves from the more flexible majority. It is all or nothing. Black or white. Political purists are NOT progressive because they hamstring themselves. Being progressive means making progress, not being pure.
Hillary Clinton is a progressive who gets things done. That is what being progressive is.
PS: Dylan got booed, and then went on to an extraordinary career winning about every conceivable honor. He has won Grammys, an Oscar, Kennedy Center Honors, Rock and Songwriter Halls of Fame, the Presidential Medal of Freedom, and others at home and abroad. He would have never accomplished all that in the limited cubby hole of "purity."
Demsrule86
(68,469 posts)XRubicon
(2,212 posts)This!
Bernie and his cult don't get this.
hedda_foil
(16,371 posts)It would make it much easier to vote for her if any of her supporters would please let me know what she/they are referring to by the phrase "a progressive who gets things done."
XRubicon
(2,212 posts)No kidding.
hedda_foil
(16,371 posts)Seriously.
MineralMan
(146,262 posts)What they wanted, not what he wanted. He did that anyhow. The funny thing was that they didn't want Dylan. They wanted something they couldn't even define.
Grassy Knoll
(10,118 posts)pat_k
(9,313 posts)...the Democratic strategy of trying to get half a loaf (because that's all they think the Repubs will give them) has just left us with less than a quarter of the loaf. That is, we end up very, very far away from what we actually needed to accomplish.
There is power in going for what actually needs to be done. You don't give away the store before the negotiations start. The Democratic addiction to premature surrender is the biggest barrier to progress we face.
On Edit: Not to mention that the failure to exhibit the strengthen of our convictions is why Dems are labeled weak. Weakness does not inspire people. And you need to inspire people to get things done.
elleng
(130,740 posts)A-Schwarzenegger
(15,596 posts)You can't beat that.
pinebox
(5,761 posts)Sorry but we've been through this dance many times and the outcome is always the same, she is willing to say anything for political expediency and some things which are progressive pillars like universal health care she doesn't even support.
m-lekktor
(3,675 posts)eastwestdem
(1,220 posts)GeorgeGist
(25,311 posts)aikoaiko
(34,163 posts)Your preferred candidate for the nomination suffers from the same deficiency.
Progressivism isn't about "getting things done." Lots of conservatives "get things done" too.
Democrats, leftests, and independents are booing Clinton because many don't trust what she says because they don't like what she has done (to paraphrase Yahne Ndgo).
Juicy_Bellows
(2,427 posts)We live in a political world and everything is broken.
I think a more apt analogy would be Garth Brooks turning into Chris Gaines - YMMV.
Orsino
(37,428 posts)MineralMan
(146,262 posts)at the 1963 Monterey Folk Festival. The audience mostly ignored his set, talking over his music. It wasn't until Joan Baez came out and told everyone to shut up and listen to this singer that people started to pay attention. "He has something to say," she told the crowd.
His first album was a bomb, but "The Freewheelin' Bob Dylan was released in 1963, and changed things up. He and Joan Baez started up a romantic relationship at that festival. I saw them walking around the grounds together a couple of times.
Why was I there? I was just 17, a senior in high school and part of a folk quartet that never really went anywhere. We all went up there to attend. Dylan's performance was a highlight for me, although I had a teen crush on Joan Baez, too.
Funniest thing at that festival was hearing Jerry Garcia playing banjo with a bluegrass group. I'd never heard of him at the time.
All in all, it was a good, good time.