Flat out: Was California stolen?

[ButterflyBlood]

Occam's razor states no.

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	I believe California was stolen and Bernie Sanders is the legitimate winner
	50 (39%)
	I do not believe California was stolen
	79 (61%)
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[Reiyuki]

1. Most likely no, but it's always good to keep an eye out

I'd look for discrepancies in counties using different brands of touch-screen or diebold machines and compare to the hand-count totals.

If the ES+S or Diebold machines statewide had a big swing vs other brands and hand-counts, it'd be a big red flag, especially if it's in the same precinct.

An exit poll discrepancy is a flag as well, but can still be explained that people simply did not want to say who they voted for.


I assume it was relatively clean though, because other posters would have already mentioned finding these kind of discrepancies in their research.

[Hekate]

64. California has a paper trail. People here keep whinging that it takes sooooo long to count....

...but that's because paper takes longer than Diebold.

[Orsino]

78. Definitely takes longer than AP. n/t

[midnight]

82. If AP uses the media consortium to bring this call for Clinton before a vote….The shift was in...

Unfortunately this year, substantial exit poll differences have been noted in the US primary. In this year’s primary, the Red Shift appears to have become the “Clinton Shift”.

And it appears if these pollsters want to get buisness from the consortium they better shift…


"Edison Research definitely wanted to keep being hired by the Media Consortium which proposes to tell viewers the true election results but which also chooses to trust electronic voting machine data. That was the last time that the American public has been able to see raw exit poll data."

http://newsfrompolitics.com/2016/06/14/major-lawsuit-exposes-rigged-votes-dnc-primaries/

[Hekate]

85. AP called it based on the math from ALL OTHER STATES.

Thank you for your input.

[coyote]

2. Publicly, the Democrats say we must unite the party, but

Guccifer records say destroy anyone not named Hillary.

Looking at the the Guccifer records, you can see the DNC and Hillary worked together. So yes, the entire election process was a joke.

[geek tragedy]

21. Denial phase nt

[NurseJackie]

25. I love it!

[Adrahil]

33. So I DIDN'T vote for her?

Wow! Thanks for letting me know!

FFS....

[LoverOfLiberty]

42. You people are the very definition of

sore losers. You are so caught up in the righteousness of your cause that you believe the only way you could have possibly lost if it had been stolen from you.

You actually scare me with your delusions.

[scscholar]

51. Just because millions of votes were thrown away...

doesn't mean there was a bias.

[pnwmom]

72. What nonsense is this? They're still counting and auditing all those paper ballots. n/t

[pnwmom]

62. Guccifer is a liar and a thief. n/t

[Hekate]

65. Spot on

[DemocratSinceBirth]

4. If the Warriors lose tonight I will know the NBA is fixed.

On a serious note I have a better chance of skunking King James in a game of one on one than Senator Sanders has in winning a state as large and heterogeneous as California.

[WhiteTara]

28. and Hillary and the DNC fixed it!

[laserhaas]

55. Tah Dah

[DemocratSinceBirth]

61. You think the NBA is fixed too?

Tony Awards?

Oscars?

NASCAR?

MLB?

NHL?



Wrestling? You got me there.

[bigwillq]

6. No (nt)

[DemocratSinceBirth]

8. Are you following the NBA Finals, bro?

Who you got?

[bigwillq]

12. I'm a Lebron fan

Hope the Cavs can pull it out tonight but, either way, it's been a great series.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

13. Twenty eight teams have been down 3-1 in the NBA Finals and all twenty eight teams went on to lose.

It would be a hell of a feat if the Cavaliers pull it out.

[Lord Magus]

48. It was indeed a hell of a feat.

I was rooting for the Warriors, but congrats to the Cavs for giving Cleveland its first major championship in 52 years.

[laserhaas]

57. Try jelly or ketcup

When you eat those words

[DemocratSinceBirth]

60. What words?

Twenty eight teams have been down 3-1 in the NBA Finals and all twenty eight teams went on to lose.

It would be a hell of a feat if the Cavaliers pull it out

It seems like I wrote the headline in advance.

[HereSince1628]

9. Sorta depends on the definition of 'was' and the definition of 'stolen'

[beachbum bob]

10. really....

sanders didn't get the majority of votes... and thats why he lost... conspiracy crapolla is what it is...time to move on

[baldguy]

11. Anybody who thinks CA was stolen is an idiot.

Shit like this that questions the legitimacy of Clinton's overwhelming victory only helps the Republicans & harms the progressive cause.

[SidDithers]

20. +1...

I love "Show Usernames" in DU polls.

Sid

[geek tragedy]

22. Amazing how rarely the info is surprising. nt

[NurseJackie]

26. Me too! It was exactly as I expected ... not a single surprise.

[LuvLoogie]

54. Here's a great little ditty, NJ...

[skylucy]

31. ++++++++++++++ Agree with you!

[La Lioness Priyanka]

46. Yup.

[laserhaas]

15. Ockham's razor would never ignore a 77billion to 1 shot

Illogical

[Lord Magus]

35. Occam's razor would however ignore it because that "shot" doesn't exist. -nt-

[laserhaas]

38. You are illogical and a waste of time

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Im avoiding you

[GulfCoast66]

44. You showed him

[laserhaas]

50. huh

Strange

[NCTraveler]

77. +1 nt.

[laserhaas]

80. I cant see the response to my postings and thats why

I posted "Huh" and "strange"

As a matter of fact...cant see the "Huh" comment..either

[laserhaas]

81. And this post #80...is also a ghost

Real Strange

[laserhaas]

84. New rules

[Hekate]

66. I used to work for a statistician. He would have upchucked on that "report."

Whay not just call it a "brazillion"? It would be more honest.

[MyNameGoesHere]

16. He'll yes! We stole it from Mexico. Eom

[randome]

17. Damn you.

[JoePhilly]

24. Lol!

[Starry Messenger]

36. Zing.

[Scurrilous]

37. ...

[gollygee]

49. Best answer! Nt

[calimary]

53. OMG!!!

You just ate this whole thread, my friend!

[AgadorSparticus]

58. 😂😂😂

ok. Best post win!

[Hekate]

67. Thread win!

And no walls were involved.

[geek tragedy]

18. I am not crazy like Orly Taitz so I answered no.

[OilemFirchen]

23. Shirley Jones won it fair and square.

Only CTers think otherwise.

[Dem2]

27. .

All of those people who said "yes" can't be taken seriously.

Ever.

So embarrassing.

[skylucy]

32. I agree.

[Agnosticsherbet]

29. link to the current secretary of state results. (Not stollen, and not even close.)

http://vote.sos.ca.gov/returns/president/party/democratic/

[obamanut2012]

30. Third choice:

[pdsimdars]

34. But honestly, is this something we have to "believe" in? There ARE FACTS!

[TwilightZone]

39. Considering all of the "CA was stolen!!!" threads on DU, I'm a little surprised at the results.

I'm going to refrain from further comment.

[stevenleser]

40. Two possibilities that may both be true

#1 - Many have since retreated to JPR and stopped participating here for the most part.

#2 - The ones who are here are few but loud.

[NastyRiffraff]

41. Flat out: No

I'm a big believer in Occam's razor.

[Andy823]

43. It's been asked many times

Name the states that Bernie Sanders has come out and said that there was voter fraud of some kind and that was the reason he lost.

[jcgoldie]

45. Yes!

That's how they will never suspect anything... steal it by a WHOLE LOT! FFS.

[MrMickeysMom]

47. Occam's razor didn't have a source code and central tabulator, IS&S or Diebold...

or, corporately run media...

or, crooked leadership controlling the DNC...

or, so much to loose in the next election if you don't kiss the ass of the Financial Industry along with the MIC

So, fuck Occam's razor.

[Hekate]

68. Calfornia has a paper trail

[still_one]

52. No it wasn't.

[peace13]

56. Well we could just compare it to the exit polls. That's a time proven safety method.

Oh wait, the MSM and DNC put the nix to that! Hmmm, what a coincidence! I think it is pretty clear that voter suppression, SOS direction to give out ballots without presidential candidates on them and the lack of verifiable machines, that this election had some....shall I say, problems!

[Lord Magus]

59. No, it isn't.

Exit polls in the United States have never been configured for verifying outcomes. They're for collecting demographic and issue data from the voters.

And it's pretty clear that none of those things you described actually happened in California.

[pnwmom]

63. Exit polls aren't much more accurate than other polls.

Their accuracy depends on how good a job they did ahead of time on guessing which precincts to use for their samples; how lucky they are in getting a random sample of people walking out of the voting booths (as opposed to just the most cooperative -- who tend to be the youngest) and how similar the voting patterns of the people who voted on election day are to the people who voted early/absentee.

In most elections, younger voters tended to vote on election day, and older voters vote absentee or early. This affects the accuracy of the day-of exit polls because Bernie's voters skew young, and Hillary's are older.

[Hekate]

69. California has a LOT of mail-in ballots. Kinda hard to do accurate exit polls with those.

[pnwmom]

73. No, it isn't. Exit polls are flawed like other polls. Here some possible problems:

They are dependent on the pollster choosing the correct precincts to use as their bellwether precincts.

They are dependent on the interviewers successfully being able to nab every nth person for a representative sample (younger people tend to be more cooperative)

The people voting on the day of the election tend to be younger; those voting early and absentee tend to be older. So Hillary's voters (who tend to be older) will be undercounted in any exit poll conducted on election day.

People who voted provisionally may or may not have their vote counted in the end, depending on whether their registration turned out to be valid.

If exit polling was as perfect as some people think, we'd never have to count up the ballots at all. But it isn't. Far from it.

[Dem2]

75. Yep

All good points.

[Hekate]

70. This is the progressive equivalent of Birtherism?

Bernie won caucus states, where it is difficult to vote and so far fewer participate.

Hillary won primary election/everybody who's interested fills out a ballot and just mails it in or comes by the polling places and it's done states.

Hillary ended up with more votes, period. She won.

California was not stolen. California has a paper trail. Check it out. Go to the Secretary of State website to see the current status of everything.

[Night Watchman]

71. I Think So

Railing like King Canute against the tide of facts!

[liberal N proud]

74. Just like all the other states Bernie did not win

California was most likely NOT stolen.

[VulgarPoet]

76. I frankly don't give a damn anymore.

It's all stage theater. Kabuki. The ending was preordained, no matter how many wrenches we tried to throw in the works. Keep your whetstones and glass bottles close, there may come a time where we need 'em in the next eight years.

[BlueCaliDem]

79. Flat out - NO. eom