2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHow do we best unify the party so we win the GE?
The bitter rancor must end, and the Party comes together to beat republicans.
What's your best idea to make sure we win?
Mine is to make Bernie the VP.
onehandle
(51,122 posts)Bernie cannot be VP. He has said way too much about the nominee and failed to endorse her.
He can speak and endorse her at the convention.
Thats it.
liberalnarb
(4,532 posts)Remember that.
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tonyt53
(5,737 posts)Besides, Bernie hasn't really shown himself to be a team player. Democrats want a Democrat also.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)liberalnarb
(4,532 posts)We need some one experienced (Bernie). And someone Progressive (Bernie) to be the VP nominee.
tonyt53
(5,737 posts)When Hillary leaves, there has to be someone to take her place. Bernie is even older than she is. That is a fact that nobody can do anything about. And who is the "we" anyway. Americans ALL need someone to carry on that will represent ALL Americans.
mr clean
(170 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Chan790
(20,176 posts)to suggest that the VP nominee has to be someone genuinely progressive (as in an actual progressive, not a Clintonite calling themselves a progressive) and young enough to be Clinton's successor in 2020 or 2024. I adore Sanders but the realistic statistical likelihood is that by 2024, he will be the late Sen. Bernie Sanders.
It's kind of hard to run for President when you're dead.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)still_one
(92,130 posts)There is one vacancy that the republicans won't allow to go through, and rumors are spreading of Clarence Thomas stepping down next year. I suspect Justice Ginsberg may also be considering retirement.
Just this one case posted here should be a uniter:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7935610
tonyt53
(5,737 posts)still_one
(92,130 posts)eastwestdem
(1,220 posts)radical noodle
(8,000 posts)because I thought Hillary should be picked as VP in 2008. I was disappointed when she wasn't, but after some time I began to understand the reasoning behind Joe Biden. I think Bernie will likely have a role to play that will be meaningful to him but I don't think VP would even be something he'd like or that would be best for the ticket.
ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)but I would be surprised if he was picked. Warren might be a good choice. She has name recognition and many on the left really like her.
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)I can't think of anyone who doesn't like Bernie and what he's been talking about. Picking him as VP would bring all of us together and create no downside. He's been tested and he has a lot of active followers.
Chan790
(20,176 posts)It would an utter waste of a get for progressives...the VP nominee needs to be someone young enough to be Clinton's successor in 8 years.
If we have enough pull to be able to get Sanders the VP nod...we need to use that pull to get the VP nod for a younger Sanders-wing Democrat. Maybe Keith Ellison?
OKNancy
(41,832 posts)as she always has been. Sanders just doesn't give her that much help.
She will need someone much younger. If she wants a firebrand, then she will pick Warren, not Sanders.
And you have to realize that she just doesn't have a good rapport with Sanders.
More and more I'm thinking it will be Chris Murphy
auntpurl
(4,311 posts)I was very impressed with him and the filibuster. But I really think we want a POC and someone from a swing or western state.
OKNancy
(41,832 posts)but things are looking so good in the swing states that I'm not sure she needs it.
Also I think that is one reason Julian Castro does not seem to be high on her list anymore. Trump has alienated the Hispanic vote so much, she doesn't need that help. Sherrod Brown is too old, too white, and from a state with a Repub. governor.
Booker.... ??? don't know.
auntpurl
(4,311 posts)I think he's got a very assertive approach, and as much as I love Hillary, we could use someone with that fire on the ticket - because of course she cannot be fiery or she'll be viewed as "too emotional".
Also apparently Booker was brought in on special election, so would be replaced on special election too - Christie would not pick his replacement. At least that's how I understand it.
Castro was always a bit of a lightweight - I like him a lot and would not object if she chose him - but it does undercut her criticism of Trump having no political experience. But I am so hyped with the idea of turning Texas blue. I am torn.
I trust Hillary to make the right choice, in the end. But it's fun to speculate! And to your original post, I would certainly not object to Murphy!
Edited to add: while I agree she doesn't need a Latino in terms of being against Trump, they are the fastest-growing demographic in the US and it is about time they have representation at the highest level!
Too tied to Wall St., too conservative, too much of an "FU!" to progressives and from a state with a Republican governor.
If this VP nod is, by-necesssity, a pragmatic pick needed to unify the party...Booker's never in consideration.
yodermon
(6,143 posts)There will always be "BoB"s (i.e. this cycle's PUMA's) but I think as election day approaches they will come around.
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)Discounting Bernie and his followers out of hand and calling them names goes against unity.
The very active Bernie followers would be amazed if Hillary recognized him and his followers buy asking him to be VP.
It's a win/win.
msongs
(67,394 posts)focusing on the party/policies should be done more and less on the personality...IMO
auntpurl
(4,311 posts)Trump wasn't "born" in a vacuum - that his hateful rhetoric is the logical end point of the dogwhistling the Repub party has been doing for decades now, just more overt.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)She needs to NOT react to his nonsense
Proud Public Servant
(2,097 posts)1) Stand for Democratic principles; pandering for traditional GOP votes will just hurt us.
2) Nominate a VP who has solid Dem credentials and is ready on Day 1 to be POTUS. We can't lambast Trumps for his qualifications with our own lightweight on the ticket.
3) 50-state strategy (very happy to see today's announcement).
4) Make HRC's campaign as much about down-ballot races as about her own.
5) Run a positive and optimistic campaign, even while excoriating Trump. America votes for the happier candidate, every time.
auntpurl
(4,311 posts)Edited to add: I completely agree re: running an uplifting campaign.
Proud Public Servant
(2,097 posts)But we can't afford to lose the Senate seat. Ditto Warren. I think Becerra and Kaine are the most logical choices of those frequently mentioned, with a strong preference for Becerrra.
auntpurl
(4,311 posts)I think his name is getting some traction now he's being regularly discussed as a VP possibility.
Tim Kaine has a pretty great record, running a mostly Republican-led state as governor and still pushing through Democratic-type legislation. He's not particularly exciting, but he's a solid choice.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)MFM008
(19,804 posts)no matter who.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)And for a basketful of reasons.
I doubt he'd accept anyway.
But I think his run has been good for the party and good for Hillary.
LiberalFighter
(50,873 posts)If you don't want to work on the Presidential campaign do the next best thing. It frees up volunteers that want to work them.
lovemydog
(11,833 posts)to kindly discuss the importance of voting in every election, including local, state and congressional elections. Be positive and optimistic. Help people get to the polls.
Online: treat others the way you'd like to be treated.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)lovemydog
(11,833 posts)You have great common sense. Something we need more of around here.
I swear some folks post 'the sky is falling!' crap ten times a day. Bleccccchhhh.
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auntpurl
(4,311 posts)And I am a very big Hillary supporter!
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)He's got that antisocial vibe anyway. I think she should tap him to work on further reform of the financial industry - under Warren. And he should be stumping for senate approval of our SCOTUS nominations- in this and in the coming years. He needs to actually hold some Republicans feet tot the fire too.
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Vattel
(9,289 posts)of war and peace, the war on drugs, capital punishment, immigration reform, TPP, fracking, etc. A progressive on the ticket would improve the ticket and would give young people more motivation to vote.
Gothmog
(145,126 posts)She is an effective surrogate and would unify the party
matt819
(10,749 posts)Not when her campaign is quoted as saying Bernie is just an afterthought to them.
Hillary doesn't have to unify the party. Her supporters are her supporters. That's easy. Non supporters, like me, will have to decide whether to vote for her to keep trump out of the White House. Nothing she can say or do will help me make that decision. She is who she is. She's not going to change to bring on Bernie supporters. So don't expect any grand gestures.
Me? I will vote for the Democrat. The alternative is too dangerous. These are decisions each of us has to make. We may not like how things turned out. Maybe there was corruption. Maybe the process needs to change on the future. But this is what we have now. You may not like her - I don't - but she's tough, smart, etc. The rest we all have to come to terms with.
Downwinder
(12,869 posts)LexVegas
(6,059 posts)baldguy
(36,649 posts)The VP shouldn't have an active campaign for President going on.
Kennedy/LBJ
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)Number23
(24,544 posts)The rancor does need to end but it is beyond easy to see that most Democrats have lined up behind Hillary and have for many, many months.
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)She surely recognizes the unifying aspect that picking Bernie would bring to our party. And it would balance the ticket nicely.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)And he is valuable in the Senate.
Maybe give him more of a voice in Democratic Party platform issues.
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)Personally, I think giving this issue a rest would be useful.
November is a long way away, there isn't anything urgent about it.
Just leave people to their thoughts and most will sort out things for themselves.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Adrahil
(13,340 posts)It's just not in his character to subordinate himself to someone he doesn't completely believe in, which he would have to be willing to do.
I think we need to seriously consider Bernie's platform proposals. That doesn't mean we adopt them all, but give them a good hearing.
Lastly, consider some process reforms he has proposed. I'd support eliminating super-delegates if we eliminated caucuses in return. I understand some states don't do party registration, so that may make closed primaries in all states impossible, but at the least, the caucuses have to go.
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)He's a US Senator and an independent so he's used to getting smacked down and having to do a work-around.
The party does need to seriously consider Bernie's positions and adopt most of those positions. I can't think of one that would be bad for the party. And it seems no one else can either.
As for super delegates... if Bernie had gotten one more pledged delegate than Hillary I think we'd be hearing a different story from those in favor.
Alas, the turnout this primary was far below the last one, meaning that democracy is not being well served.
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)Bernie has many fine qualities. Being a team player is not one of them, IMO. He remained an Independent all those years for a reason: he did not want to be bound by the party.
I have no doubt some would change their tune with regards to the Super-D's. The Super-D's were there to protect the party, and some, no doubt, think that Bernie is the kind of guy to protect from. I disagree. I think if it were essentially tied, the Super'D's MIGHT have favored Clinton, but if he had a clear majority, I couldn't see them overturning that. Meh, get rid of 'em and stop worrying about it says I.
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)He joined with the Dems in all the congressional votes and worked across the aisle when needed.
He ran as an Indie in his state because it got him elected. He would never run as a republican.
America likes indies. That's why the majority of voters are indies. Hillary taking on an indie would show she is a team player.
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)YOHABLO
(7,358 posts)RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)Even those previously opposed to Bernie would readily accept him. That would be very unifying and be an affirmation of his stature and recognition of the 12 million voters who chose him.
longship
(40,416 posts)I voted and support Bernie, but Bernie as Hillary's VEEP is an even worse idea than Elizabeth Warren as Hillary's VEEP, which itself is very close to being impossible.
Neither would do it. And people should know that a priori.
Tarc
(10,476 posts)There will be a handful of holdouts, but overall, most who voted in the Democratic primaries will do so again in the fall.
DemonGoddess
(4,640 posts)The fact that he's got years of showing how much of a team player he is not, is the biggest reason for me.
Other than that, I will trust my candidate to pick a VP that she can work with, and that will work for this ticket.