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How do we best unify the party so we win the GE? (Original Post) RobertEarl Jun 2016 OP
The party will be united at the convention. onehandle Jun 2016 #1
Both sides have been just as divisive. liberalnarb Jun 2016 #30
This message was self-deleted by its author onehandle Jun 2016 #34
Sorry, but that isn't happening. It has to be someone that is younger, not older for starters. tonyt53 Jun 2016 #2
What has to be someone younger? AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #16
They meant the VP nominee, which I find offensive. liberalnarb Jun 2016 #33
Hell, I'm well into my 60's and understand that need. You guys are trying to read something into it tonyt53 Jun 2016 #37
Only six years older... mr clean Jun 2016 #50
I hate ageism Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #51
It's hardly ageism... Chan790 Jun 2016 #65
No. n/t zappaman Jun 2016 #3
The Supreme Court should be a unifying issue still_one Jun 2016 #4
Kennedy won't be far behind Thomas either, and Ginsberg is very likely to retire. tonyt53 Jun 2016 #8
The next President and Senate will be critical. This is turely a once in a lifetime event still_one Jun 2016 #12
This cannot be emphasized enough! nt eastwestdem Jun 2016 #35
I understand your reasoning radical noodle Jun 2016 #5
I would like to see Sanders as VP, ZombieHorde Jun 2016 #6
It would be great for everyone RobertEarl Jun 2016 #56
As a Sanders supporter, I am unconditionally opposed to a Sanders VP nod. Chan790 Jun 2016 #66
It would make many people happy but Clinton has to be pragmatic OKNancy Jun 2016 #7
CT doesn't really help though. auntpurl Jun 2016 #17
I thought that too at first OKNancy Jun 2016 #20
I really like Booker, tho I know others have their reservations auntpurl Jun 2016 #23
Booker. Chan790 Jun 2016 #67
A strong endorsement of Hillary by Bernie would go a long way. yodermon Jun 2016 #9
I'm all about party unity RobertEarl Jun 2016 #59
hillary et all could focus more on repubs in general than trump...he might not be around soon so msongs Jun 2016 #10
Agree with this - she should explicity draw the parallels that auntpurl Jun 2016 #18
I agree there AgingAmerican Jun 2016 #22
Five easy steps Proud Public Servant Jun 2016 #11
Who's your VP choice? auntpurl Jun 2016 #15
In an ideal world, Sherrod Brown Proud Public Servant Jun 2016 #21
I like Becerra too. He does have the unfortunate "Who?" quality, but auntpurl Jun 2016 #24
I like Sherrod Brown too. bravenak Jun 2016 #45
Like. 840high Jun 2016 #60
I will trust HRCs choice MFM008 Jun 2016 #13
No way on earth will she choose him for VP. cwydro Jun 2016 #14
Work on down-ballots too. LiberalFighter Jun 2016 #19
Offline: choose three or more friends lovemydog Jun 2016 #25
I love you lovemydog! You always say what my best self would say. Thanks! bettyellen Jun 2016 #40
I love you too b e! lovemydog Jun 2016 #47
Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #26
I don't hate Bernie. auntpurl Jun 2016 #27
We don't hate Bernie. He does suck for not congratulating her but whatever.... bettyellen Jun 2016 #42
This message was self-deleted by its author Maru Kitteh Jun 2016 #48
She won't choose Bernie, but I hope she does choose someone to her left on issues Vattel Jun 2016 #28
I would like to see Elizabeth Warren as VP Gothmog Jun 2016 #29
Bernie is not going to be her vp pick matt819 Jun 2016 #31
That will be a test of leadership. Downwinder Jun 2016 #32
Nope. Unacceptable. nt LexVegas Jun 2016 #36
Start by recognizing that the nominee of the party is the nominee of the party. baldguy Jun 2016 #38
. Downwinder Jun 2016 #63
Not going to happen. Starry Messenger Jun 2016 #39
I have no interest, even in passing, as having Sanders as the VP choice Number23 Jun 2016 #41
Lets hope Hillary does! RobertEarl Jun 2016 #58
She needs a younger VP gollygee Jun 2016 #43
Bitter rancor only happens when people care, apathy from the turned ofd is just as dangerous HereSince1628 Jun 2016 #44
Nope bravenak Jun 2016 #46
I think Bernie would be an awful VP.... Adrahil Jun 2016 #49
He'd be a great VP RobertEarl Jun 2016 #52
We'll have to disagree... Adrahil Jun 2016 #57
He's a fantastic team player RobertEarl Jun 2016 #61
Ok. Like I said, we disagree. I'm not even sure he would accept it if it were offered. NT Adrahil Jun 2016 #62
I think Secretary Clinton will choose someone other than BS or EW. I just have a gut feeling. YOHABLO Jun 2016 #53
As we see, if she does pick Benire RobertEarl Jun 2016 #54
Ummm! No! longship Jun 2016 #55
We're fine and united already, we don't need to reach 100% Tarc Jun 2016 #64
Nope. DemonGoddess Jun 2016 #68

onehandle

(51,122 posts)
1. The party will be united at the convention.
Mon Jun 20, 2016, 05:04 PM
Jun 2016

Bernie cannot be VP. He has said way too much about the nominee and failed to endorse her.

He can speak and endorse her at the convention.

Thats it.

Response to liberalnarb (Reply #30)

 

tonyt53

(5,737 posts)
2. Sorry, but that isn't happening. It has to be someone that is younger, not older for starters.
Mon Jun 20, 2016, 05:04 PM
Jun 2016

Besides, Bernie hasn't really shown himself to be a team player. Democrats want a Democrat also.

 

liberalnarb

(4,532 posts)
33. They meant the VP nominee, which I find offensive.
Mon Jun 20, 2016, 06:18 PM
Jun 2016

We need some one experienced (Bernie). And someone Progressive (Bernie) to be the VP nominee.

 

tonyt53

(5,737 posts)
37. Hell, I'm well into my 60's and understand that need. You guys are trying to read something into it
Mon Jun 20, 2016, 07:13 PM
Jun 2016

When Hillary leaves, there has to be someone to take her place. Bernie is even older than she is. That is a fact that nobody can do anything about. And who is the "we" anyway. Americans ALL need someone to carry on that will represent ALL Americans.

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
65. It's hardly ageism...
Mon Jun 20, 2016, 11:22 PM
Jun 2016

to suggest that the VP nominee has to be someone genuinely progressive (as in an actual progressive, not a Clintonite calling themselves a progressive) and young enough to be Clinton's successor in 2020 or 2024. I adore Sanders but the realistic statistical likelihood is that by 2024, he will be the late Sen. Bernie Sanders.

It's kind of hard to run for President when you're dead.

still_one

(92,130 posts)
4. The Supreme Court should be a unifying issue
Mon Jun 20, 2016, 05:10 PM
Jun 2016

There is one vacancy that the republicans won't allow to go through, and rumors are spreading of Clarence Thomas stepping down next year. I suspect Justice Ginsberg may also be considering retirement.

Just this one case posted here should be a uniter:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7935610


radical noodle

(8,000 posts)
5. I understand your reasoning
Mon Jun 20, 2016, 05:13 PM
Jun 2016

because I thought Hillary should be picked as VP in 2008. I was disappointed when she wasn't, but after some time I began to understand the reasoning behind Joe Biden. I think Bernie will likely have a role to play that will be meaningful to him but I don't think VP would even be something he'd like or that would be best for the ticket.

ZombieHorde

(29,047 posts)
6. I would like to see Sanders as VP,
Mon Jun 20, 2016, 05:17 PM
Jun 2016

but I would be surprised if he was picked. Warren might be a good choice. She has name recognition and many on the left really like her.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
56. It would be great for everyone
Mon Jun 20, 2016, 08:37 PM
Jun 2016

I can't think of anyone who doesn't like Bernie and what he's been talking about. Picking him as VP would bring all of us together and create no downside. He's been tested and he has a lot of active followers.

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
66. As a Sanders supporter, I am unconditionally opposed to a Sanders VP nod.
Mon Jun 20, 2016, 11:31 PM
Jun 2016

It would an utter waste of a get for progressives...the VP nominee needs to be someone young enough to be Clinton's successor in 8 years.

If we have enough pull to be able to get Sanders the VP nod...we need to use that pull to get the VP nod for a younger Sanders-wing Democrat. Maybe Keith Ellison?

OKNancy

(41,832 posts)
7. It would make many people happy but Clinton has to be pragmatic
Mon Jun 20, 2016, 05:19 PM
Jun 2016

as she always has been. Sanders just doesn't give her that much help.
She will need someone much younger. If she wants a firebrand, then she will pick Warren, not Sanders.
And you have to realize that she just doesn't have a good rapport with Sanders.
More and more I'm thinking it will be Chris Murphy

auntpurl

(4,311 posts)
17. CT doesn't really help though.
Mon Jun 20, 2016, 05:50 PM
Jun 2016

I was very impressed with him and the filibuster. But I really think we want a POC and someone from a swing or western state.

OKNancy

(41,832 posts)
20. I thought that too at first
Mon Jun 20, 2016, 05:54 PM
Jun 2016

but things are looking so good in the swing states that I'm not sure she needs it.
Also I think that is one reason Julian Castro does not seem to be high on her list anymore. Trump has alienated the Hispanic vote so much, she doesn't need that help. Sherrod Brown is too old, too white, and from a state with a Repub. governor.
Booker.... ??? don't know.

auntpurl

(4,311 posts)
23. I really like Booker, tho I know others have their reservations
Mon Jun 20, 2016, 05:59 PM
Jun 2016

I think he's got a very assertive approach, and as much as I love Hillary, we could use someone with that fire on the ticket - because of course she cannot be fiery or she'll be viewed as "too emotional".

Also apparently Booker was brought in on special election, so would be replaced on special election too - Christie would not pick his replacement. At least that's how I understand it.

Castro was always a bit of a lightweight - I like him a lot and would not object if she chose him - but it does undercut her criticism of Trump having no political experience. But I am so hyped with the idea of turning Texas blue. I am torn.

I trust Hillary to make the right choice, in the end. But it's fun to speculate! And to your original post, I would certainly not object to Murphy!

Edited to add: while I agree she doesn't need a Latino in terms of being against Trump, they are the fastest-growing demographic in the US and it is about time they have representation at the highest level!

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
67. Booker.
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 01:54 AM
Jun 2016

Too tied to Wall St., too conservative, too much of an "FU!" to progressives and from a state with a Republican governor.

If this VP nod is, by-necesssity, a pragmatic pick needed to unify the party...Booker's never in consideration.

yodermon

(6,143 posts)
9. A strong endorsement of Hillary by Bernie would go a long way.
Mon Jun 20, 2016, 05:21 PM
Jun 2016

There will always be "BoB"s (i.e. this cycle's PUMA's) but I think as election day approaches they will come around.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
59. I'm all about party unity
Mon Jun 20, 2016, 08:42 PM
Jun 2016

Discounting Bernie and his followers out of hand and calling them names goes against unity.

The very active Bernie followers would be amazed if Hillary recognized him and his followers buy asking him to be VP.

It's a win/win.

msongs

(67,394 posts)
10. hillary et all could focus more on repubs in general than trump...he might not be around soon so
Mon Jun 20, 2016, 05:27 PM
Jun 2016

focusing on the party/policies should be done more and less on the personality...IMO

auntpurl

(4,311 posts)
18. Agree with this - she should explicity draw the parallels that
Mon Jun 20, 2016, 05:51 PM
Jun 2016

Trump wasn't "born" in a vacuum - that his hateful rhetoric is the logical end point of the dogwhistling the Repub party has been doing for decades now, just more overt.

Proud Public Servant

(2,097 posts)
11. Five easy steps
Mon Jun 20, 2016, 05:32 PM
Jun 2016

1) Stand for Democratic principles; pandering for traditional GOP votes will just hurt us.

2) Nominate a VP who has solid Dem credentials and is ready on Day 1 to be POTUS. We can't lambast Trumps for his qualifications with our own lightweight on the ticket.

3) 50-state strategy (very happy to see today's announcement).

4) Make HRC's campaign as much about down-ballot races as about her own.

5) Run a positive and optimistic campaign, even while excoriating Trump. America votes for the happier candidate, every time.

Proud Public Servant

(2,097 posts)
21. In an ideal world, Sherrod Brown
Mon Jun 20, 2016, 05:55 PM
Jun 2016

But we can't afford to lose the Senate seat. Ditto Warren. I think Becerra and Kaine are the most logical choices of those frequently mentioned, with a strong preference for Becerrra.

auntpurl

(4,311 posts)
24. I like Becerra too. He does have the unfortunate "Who?" quality, but
Mon Jun 20, 2016, 06:02 PM
Jun 2016

I think his name is getting some traction now he's being regularly discussed as a VP possibility.

Tim Kaine has a pretty great record, running a mostly Republican-led state as governor and still pushing through Democratic-type legislation. He's not particularly exciting, but he's a solid choice.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
14. No way on earth will she choose him for VP.
Mon Jun 20, 2016, 05:47 PM
Jun 2016

And for a basketful of reasons.

I doubt he'd accept anyway.

But I think his run has been good for the party and good for Hillary.

LiberalFighter

(50,873 posts)
19. Work on down-ballots too.
Mon Jun 20, 2016, 05:53 PM
Jun 2016

If you don't want to work on the Presidential campaign do the next best thing. It frees up volunteers that want to work them.

lovemydog

(11,833 posts)
25. Offline: choose three or more friends
Mon Jun 20, 2016, 06:05 PM
Jun 2016

to kindly discuss the importance of voting in every election, including local, state and congressional elections. Be positive and optimistic. Help people get to the polls.

Online: treat others the way you'd like to be treated.

lovemydog

(11,833 posts)
47. I love you too b e!
Mon Jun 20, 2016, 07:43 PM
Jun 2016

You have great common sense. Something we need more of around here.

I swear some folks post 'the sky is falling!' crap ten times a day. Bleccccchhhh.

Response to RobertEarl (Original post)

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
42. We don't hate Bernie. He does suck for not congratulating her but whatever....
Mon Jun 20, 2016, 07:26 PM
Jun 2016

He's got that antisocial vibe anyway. I think she should tap him to work on further reform of the financial industry - under Warren. And he should be stumping for senate approval of our SCOTUS nominations- in this and in the coming years. He needs to actually hold some Republicans feet tot the fire too.

Response to Post removed (Reply #26)

 

Vattel

(9,289 posts)
28. She won't choose Bernie, but I hope she does choose someone to her left on issues
Mon Jun 20, 2016, 06:11 PM
Jun 2016

of war and peace, the war on drugs, capital punishment, immigration reform, TPP, fracking, etc. A progressive on the ticket would improve the ticket and would give young people more motivation to vote.

matt819

(10,749 posts)
31. Bernie is not going to be her vp pick
Mon Jun 20, 2016, 06:15 PM
Jun 2016

Not when her campaign is quoted as saying Bernie is just an afterthought to them.

Hillary doesn't have to unify the party. Her supporters are her supporters. That's easy. Non supporters, like me, will have to decide whether to vote for her to keep trump out of the White House. Nothing she can say or do will help me make that decision. She is who she is. She's not going to change to bring on Bernie supporters. So don't expect any grand gestures.

Me? I will vote for the Democrat. The alternative is too dangerous. These are decisions each of us has to make. We may not like how things turned out. Maybe there was corruption. Maybe the process needs to change on the future. But this is what we have now. You may not like her - I don't - but she's tough, smart, etc. The rest we all have to come to terms with.

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
38. Start by recognizing that the nominee of the party is the nominee of the party.
Mon Jun 20, 2016, 07:17 PM
Jun 2016

The VP shouldn't have an active campaign for President going on.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
41. I have no interest, even in passing, as having Sanders as the VP choice
Mon Jun 20, 2016, 07:25 PM
Jun 2016

The rancor does need to end but it is beyond easy to see that most Democrats have lined up behind Hillary and have for many, many months.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
58. Lets hope Hillary does!
Mon Jun 20, 2016, 08:39 PM
Jun 2016

She surely recognizes the unifying aspect that picking Bernie would bring to our party. And it would balance the ticket nicely.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
43. She needs a younger VP
Mon Jun 20, 2016, 07:29 PM
Jun 2016

And he is valuable in the Senate.

Maybe give him more of a voice in Democratic Party platform issues.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
44. Bitter rancor only happens when people care, apathy from the turned ofd is just as dangerous
Mon Jun 20, 2016, 07:29 PM
Jun 2016

Personally, I think giving this issue a rest would be useful.

November is a long way away, there isn't anything urgent about it.

Just leave people to their thoughts and most will sort out things for themselves.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
49. I think Bernie would be an awful VP....
Mon Jun 20, 2016, 07:57 PM
Jun 2016

It's just not in his character to subordinate himself to someone he doesn't completely believe in, which he would have to be willing to do.

I think we need to seriously consider Bernie's platform proposals. That doesn't mean we adopt them all, but give them a good hearing.

Lastly, consider some process reforms he has proposed. I'd support eliminating super-delegates if we eliminated caucuses in return. I understand some states don't do party registration, so that may make closed primaries in all states impossible, but at the least, the caucuses have to go.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
52. He'd be a great VP
Mon Jun 20, 2016, 08:19 PM
Jun 2016

He's a US Senator and an independent so he's used to getting smacked down and having to do a work-around.

The party does need to seriously consider Bernie's positions and adopt most of those positions. I can't think of one that would be bad for the party. And it seems no one else can either.

As for super delegates... if Bernie had gotten one more pledged delegate than Hillary I think we'd be hearing a different story from those in favor.

Alas, the turnout this primary was far below the last one, meaning that democracy is not being well served.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
57. We'll have to disagree...
Mon Jun 20, 2016, 08:37 PM
Jun 2016

Bernie has many fine qualities. Being a team player is not one of them, IMO. He remained an Independent all those years for a reason: he did not want to be bound by the party.

I have no doubt some would change their tune with regards to the Super-D's. The Super-D's were there to protect the party, and some, no doubt, think that Bernie is the kind of guy to protect from. I disagree. I think if it were essentially tied, the Super'D's MIGHT have favored Clinton, but if he had a clear majority, I couldn't see them overturning that. Meh, get rid of 'em and stop worrying about it says I.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
61. He's a fantastic team player
Mon Jun 20, 2016, 08:50 PM
Jun 2016

He joined with the Dems in all the congressional votes and worked across the aisle when needed.

He ran as an Indie in his state because it got him elected. He would never run as a republican.

America likes indies. That's why the majority of voters are indies. Hillary taking on an indie would show she is a team player.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
54. As we see, if she does pick Benire
Mon Jun 20, 2016, 08:34 PM
Jun 2016

Even those previously opposed to Bernie would readily accept him. That would be very unifying and be an affirmation of his stature and recognition of the 12 million voters who chose him.

longship

(40,416 posts)
55. Ummm! No!
Mon Jun 20, 2016, 08:36 PM
Jun 2016

I voted and support Bernie, but Bernie as Hillary's VEEP is an even worse idea than Elizabeth Warren as Hillary's VEEP, which itself is very close to being impossible.

Neither would do it. And people should know that a priori.

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
64. We're fine and united already, we don't need to reach 100%
Mon Jun 20, 2016, 10:48 PM
Jun 2016

There will be a handful of holdouts, but overall, most who voted in the Democratic primaries will do so again in the fall.

DemonGoddess

(4,640 posts)
68. Nope.
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 02:02 AM
Jun 2016

The fact that he's got years of showing how much of a team player he is not, is the biggest reason for me.

Other than that, I will trust my candidate to pick a VP that she can work with, and that will work for this ticket.

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