Abortion is weakness for Clinton VP favorite

[DonViejo]

Sen. Tim Kaine (D-Va.) is generally seen as a safe vice presidential pick for Hillary Clinton.

A white man fluent in Spanish and from a swing state, Kaine is a former Democratic National Committee (DNC) chairman.

He’d provide some balance to the Clinton ticket and give her a running mate many see as an ideal partner in government. There’s only one big problem with picking Kaine: abortion.

While Kaine does not back overturning the Roe v. Wade decision legalizing abortion, he is personally opposed to the practice and has backed controversial restrictions, such as parental ­notification laws and a ban on late-term abortions.

more
http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/284379-abortion-is-weakness-for-clinton-vp-favorite

[AntiBank]

1. and his voting with the Rethugs on fast track

If she picks him it is a slap in the face big time to the progressive base.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

10. No fuckin question... no way Hillary would make such a stupid move... she's way too smart for that...she has to know the base would revolt.

[alarimer]

16. It won't matter to them.

She can do no wrong, according to some. Picking him would mean I am right not to trust her.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

18. We have to come together and trust Hillary to make the right choice... it's either that or say hello to President Shitstain a.k.a the tRumpster fire.

[Nye Bevan]

2. His position on abortion sounds almost identical to that of the country in general.

Most people support bans on late term abortion provided that there are exceptions for the life and health of the mother, for example. Ditto for parental notification with judicial override.

[leftofcool]

3. Being "personally opposed" to abortion is not a problem for me

Many Democrats are personally opposed to abortion due to their faith. That does not mean they oppose it for others.

[Nonhlanhla]

5. He's more than just personally opposed.

He has backed some problematic abortion restrictions.

[leftofcool]

7. As have other Democrats.

[Chan790]

46. They are also unacceptable as potential VPs. n/t

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

11. Tim Kaine for VP is a non-starter... I could see that douchebag tRump pickin him before Hillary.

[Nonhlanhla]

4. Bans on late-term abortions are cruel

Banning abortion after 20 weeks targets the most vulnerable abortion seekers: families with wanted pregnancies where serious fetal anomalies have been detected (which often cannot be detected until the 20 weeks mark).

Kaine would not be my favorite VP choice anyway, even though rationally I can see why he might be a good choice.

[bunnies]

8. So is requiring parental consent.

Ill leave it at that.

[Nonhlanhla]

20. I agree

Although I could also see why doing medical procedures on minors without parental consent is problematic, at the same time that I see that requiring parental consent is deeply problematic e.g. in cases of incest etc.

But I specifically mentioned the 20 week because a lot of people are for late-term abortion bans on moral grounds even if they support earlier abortion. The problem is that post-20 week bans ignore the fact that those abortions are often sought after tragic diagnoses.

[loyalsister]

25. The flip side is the big problem and should worry people who oppose abortion

Mom and or dad forces daughter to get an abortion against her will. It's about choice and requiring parental notification compromises it. It's also a slippery slope as some states are taking it a step further and requiring that women get consent (permission!!) from the man.

[Nonhlanhla]

27. We are in agreement

The question it raises is when can a minor consent to medical procedures in general without parental consent. As a parent I can see why that can be a slippery slope.

But the slippery slope to the other side is worse, so I do not favor parental consent laws for abortion. That Kaine does, is problematic.

[loyalsister]

29. He's a good choice regionally

and I have a sneaking suspicion that there will be a gesture to soothe white men. This is another white patriarchal "slap in the face" (for those who are defensive). If so, I am hoping there are some choices I like better who we aren't hearing about. I'd like to see someone who predictably has at least a good 16 yrs of high energy and good health ahead.

[zenabby]

39. I don't understand

Why is the other side worse? If there was incest shouldn't the parents know? I'm trying to think of scenarios where parental notification is bad, and I'm not able to come up with any..

Also there is a difference between parental consent and notification. Atleast a notification is a must?

[Nonhlanhla]

40. If there is abuse by a parent

is the most serious slippery slope problem for parental consent. How do you require a teenager to have to obtain her abuser's consent for an abortion? That makes no sense.

But in any case, I can see the arguments to both sides on this one.

[zenabby]

43. I see..

I think if the abuser is the parent, then someone (child services?) needs to know about it somehow..Maybe not parental consent, but perhaps parental notification? also, there's a big difference between 13 and 17 - a girl who is 13 and getting abortion without the parent knowing about it? Scary!

I would actually be for parental notification + might be able to live with a ban after 32 weeks or so...but the second is really unnecessary..who wants to abort after 30 weeks? It would be so traumatic to the mom, and those cases would be sooo few that we should trust the mom and her doctor on those cases. So on second thought, just parental notification.

[Nonhlanhla]

44. A ban after 32 weeks is unnecessary

Roe v Wade does not allow abortion past viability, which for a normal pregnancy is around 24 weeks. Some states interpret that provision to allow abortion past 24 weeks where the fetus is not viable. There are extremely rare cases, which have to do with serious fetal abnormality, where abortion happens past 30 weeks. No one WANTS to abort at that stage, but there are tragic medical reasons why it might be needed.

[MH1]

30. The idea that someone waits 20 weeks and then casually decides to have an abortion

is a brutal myth.

(I am agreeing with you, of course)

If someone waits that long it is for one of two reasons:

1) they had difficulty accessing contraception and/or abortion earlier in the process
2) severe issues have occurred with a desired pregnancy

a very very small number of cases may occur when there are other reasons that look more "optional" to someone outside the situation, but those are such a tiny number that it is not fair to cripple the process for the heartwrenching cases in reason 2. And reason 1 wouldn't happen very often either, if it weren't for the anti-abortion a-holes in this country.

[Nonhlanhla]

31. I understand the emotional argument

Fact is that a 20 week fetus (which is actually 18 weeks old) is close to viability and resembles a baby, which makes the idea of a "casual" abortion at that time unthinkable to a lot of people. Hence the general support for late-term bans. But the fact is that there is nothing casual about abortion in general and particularly not about late-term abortions. Just read the heart-wrenching stories of families who faced termination for medical reasons for a wanted pregnancy, and even someone who leans pro-life should have some sympathy.

[My Good Babushka]

6. As Clinton is backed by Planned Parenthood

and has a lot of women's support for the reason of defending reproductive choice, Kaine would seem like an odd about-face to the campaign we've been seeing.

[BlueCaliDem]

12. ^^^This!^^^

Backing the parental notification laws and bans on late-term abortions cancels his eligibility for me.

Look, if a politician is personally against abortion, fine. But keep it personal and private. As a politician, I believe he should think about women who don't share his view to be able to make their own reproductive choices without government interfering.

[magical thyme]

15. well Clinton did say she's open to compromise on abortion

maybe Planned Parenthood is open to compromise too...

[Maru Kitteh]

35. This has the appearance of a post meant to disparage our nominee without any evidence

whatsoever to back it up, and you dragged PP into the mix and asserted that perhaps the nominee will compromise on what regarding PP who endorsed her?

I would really like to see some proof of these assertions of yours, if this is meant to be helpful criticism. Please expand on your statements here, so that it doesn't just appear that you are making derogatory statements about the presumed nominee of the Democratic Party.

Thanks in advance for helping us understand your intention better, and for the factual information I hope to see you provide.

[magical thyme]

37. links re: abortion below. also, the post I responded to brought PP into the mix

not me.



http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/09/29/hillary_clinton_i_could_compromise_on_abortion_if_it_included_exceptions_for_mothers_health.html

"Again, I am where I have been, which is that if there's a way to structure some kind of constitutional restriction that take into account the life of the mother and her health, then I'm open to that."


http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/03/hillary-clinton-late-term-abortions

"Clinton's answer was murkier. She began her response to moderator Bret Baier with a broad defense of a woman's right to an abortion, mentioning the current Supreme Court case involving Texas' anti-abortion regulations and the continued Republican attacks on Planned Parenthood. But Baier persisted on the matter of late-term abortions, asking, "Just to be clear, there's no—without any exceptions?"

Clinton replied, "No—I have been on record in favor of a late-pregnancy regulation that would have exceptions for the life and health of the mother." "

[Maru Kitteh]

42. That's it? Those are the only kinds of LTA that are legal now anyway.

Nothingburger. Air enchilada.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

19. Precisely right... I would be surprised if Hillary, as smart as she is, would seriously consider him for the VP slot.

[ismnotwasm]

9. Not my favorite to say the least.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

13. Agreed

[randome]

14. That's the writer's interpretation. Nowhere does anyone on the record state he's a 'favorite'.

[Starry Messenger]

17. God, same.

[sarae]

26. I agree.

[KittyWampus]

21. NO evidence Kaine is Clinton's "favorite". That is just an opinion of the writer.

[geek tragedy]

22. Meh, I hope she does better than this nt

[hamsterjill]

23. No.

Just no. We don't need someone with baggage like this when there are so many OTHER, more valuable options for Hillary. I think she will understand this, and I don't think she will choose Tim Kaine.

[cynatnite]

24. He was always a little too right for my taste...

A nice guy, though. I met him a few years ago. I don't think he'd be a good pick.

[merrily]

28. As then DNC head, Tim Kaine was in charge of Democratic campaign strategy for the 2010

mid-term elections. Before the elections, he went on the Daily Show to talk about that with Jon Stewart.

http://www.cc.com/video-clips/x3j2f8/the-daily-show-with-jon-stewart-tim-kaine

[Maru Kitteh]

32. Elizabeth Warren. Let's just call it and move on!

[DemonGoddess]

33. I happen to think because she is not

giving any real hints as to who her choice may end up as, or who her actual picks are, that people are just having a whole lot of angst over nothing right now. Consider that the latest "short list" was an anonymous source, yet again.

She will pick who she sees as best suited to working WITH her to push through her platform and agenda.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

34. how does this writer know who Hillary's fav is? has she announced it somewhere?

[Squinch]

36. I don't believe someone like that would be a "VP favorite" for Hillary.

[Motown_Johnny]

38. Similar to Hillary's position.

Not exactly the same, but similar.



http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/09/29/hillary_clinton_i_could_compromise_on_abortion_if_it_included_exceptions_for_mothers_health.html


^snip^


Hillary Clinton: I Could Compromise on Abortion If It Included Exceptions For Mother's Health


Again, I am where I have been, which is that if there's a way to structure some kind of constitutional restriction that take into account the life of the mother and her health, then I'm open to that. But I have yet to see the Republicans willing to actually do that, and that would be an area, where if they included health, you could see constitutional action.

[Vote2016]

41. Tim Kaine reinforces the perception that Hillary stands for status quo when people want change.

I literally doubt there is a single voter on the entire planet who might possibly support Hillary-Kaine but who does not already support Hillary.

Choosing Kaine is as close as Hillary could come to choosing a modern equivalent to nonJewish Joe Lieberman (i.e., Kaine makes the ticket even less attractive to progressives without bringing any new supporters to the ticket.) Kaine = epic fail.

[Barack_America]

45. Dealbreaker. Disqualified.

[Warren DeMontague]

47. are "white men fluent in Spanish" really that hard to find?

I mean, I'm one.

Kaine is certainly not my first choice. Too far to the right, as noted here.

[KitSileya]

48. Well, I guess many Sanders supporters won't have a problem with him on that issue,

seeing how Sanders endorsed Kaptur, and I haven't seen them up in arms about that. Personally, as a Clinton supporter, I am not too enthused about Kaine as VP.