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Fri Jun 24, 2016, 06:37 AM

 

Globalization will not and cannot be stopped...automation will not allow it to be stopped.

People need to come to grips with the role that automation plays in the global economy and the loss of good paying jobs world-wide.

Don't have the answers but I do recognize the problem that I believe a lot of people are missing. What are some of the answers? Answers would involve selective elimination automation in some sectors and using more person-power bringing its own set of issues like good benefits, profit margin cuts, and return on investment reductions. Cuts and reductions doesn't mean "elimination" of profits or good returns. It just means "reasonable" or "excellent" profits and ROIs instead of OBSCENE profits and returns.

But who would support changes like this? Who even sees the need for changes like this? Something as simple as using a person to answer business phones instead of answering machines.

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Reply Globalization will not and cannot be stopped...automation will not allow it to be stopped. (Original post)
glennward Jun 2016 OP
FreakinDJ Jun 2016 #1
randome Jun 2016 #2
rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #3
FreakinDJ Jun 2016 #5
randome Jun 2016 #10
FreakinDJ Jun 2016 #12
randome Jun 2016 #14
FreakinDJ Jun 2016 #17
randome Jun 2016 #19
FreakinDJ Jun 2016 #20
glennward Jun 2016 #15
FreakinDJ Jun 2016 #21
randome Jun 2016 #16
Armstead Jun 2016 #23
randome Jun 2016 #24
Armstead Jun 2016 #25
randome Jun 2016 #26
Hortensis Jun 2016 #9
FreakinDJ Jun 2016 #13
Hortensis Jun 2016 #22
Adrahil Jun 2016 #18
pipoman Jun 2016 #4
DetlefK Jun 2016 #6
brentspeak Jun 2016 #11
TheBlackAdder Jun 2016 #7
bemildred Jun 2016 #8

Response to glennward (Original post)

Fri Jun 24, 2016, 06:51 AM

1. So that means our elected officials must cater to the Corporations and say FU to the people

 

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Response to FreakinDJ (Reply #1)

Fri Jun 24, 2016, 06:55 AM

2. No. It means keeping the larger picture in mind.

 

With globalization comes peace and greater degrees of unity. It isn't perfect, it probably never will be, but it's important to keep in mind that we are stronger the more we work together.

A United Europe was -and is- a good idea. It was always something that would take decades to fully implement but now the U.K. has chosen to sucker-punch their own economy and they will be the poorer for it.

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Response to randome (Reply #2)

Fri Jun 24, 2016, 07:04 AM

5. Like the Unemployment rate in Britian since they joined the EU

 





Actually the Working Class in Britain (not unlike the US Working Class) got Fucked under the Corporate policies

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Response to FreakinDJ (Reply #5)

Fri Jun 24, 2016, 07:41 AM

10. And things will now be worse because of Brexit. Well played, Britain!

 

Your stock market is in tatters and the British Pound is in free-fall. That'll show 'em!

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Response to randome (Reply #10)

Fri Jun 24, 2016, 07:49 AM

12. As if they have money to invest after their jobs disappeared

 

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Response to FreakinDJ (Reply #12)

Fri Jun 24, 2016, 08:18 AM

14. Stock market affects pension funds, too. Everyone is taking a 'haircut' now.

 

The weakening of the Pound means rising prices, making everything more expensive. The rich can absorb the loss. The poor can't.

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Response to randome (Reply #14)

Fri Jun 24, 2016, 08:29 AM

17. What pension funds ? Britain took a page out of the Reaganomis Play Book and fucked the Workers

 

allowing Corporations to walk away from their obligations and sticking Tax Payers with the bill

Does any of this sound familiar ...


Pension Protection Fund

The Board of the Pension Protection Fund (PPF) is a statutory fund in the United Kingdom, intended to protect pensioners if their pension fund becomes insolvent. It was created under the Pensions Act 2004. The Board of the PPF is a statutory corporation responsible for managing the Fund and for making payments to members.[1]

The PPF started on 6 April 2005 in response to public concern that when employers sponsoring defined benefit pension schemes became insolvent, scheme members could lose some or all of their pension if the scheme was underfunded. Besides offering compensation to those pension scheme members affected by insolvencies the Government hoped that the existence of the PPF would improve confidence in pension schemes generally.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pension_Protection_Fund




Is my money safe?

Only last month, it emerged that more than 90% of the UK's final salary pension schemes now have insufficient assets to meet their pension promises. That means many will probably have to be bailed out by government's Pension Protection Fund (PPF), set up to protect employees if the companies running the schemes go bust. Only 9% of the almost 7,800 workplace schemes still have a surplus

https://www.theguardian.com/money/2009/apr/11/company-pensions-safety



Like I have been saying - the Brexit vote does not fit neatly into Anti-immigrant sentiment, although with rampant unemployment and an influx of 3rd World immigrants seeking jobs some of that does indeed exist.

More over this is the end result of Corporate Free Trade policies that places Corporate Profits ahead of people

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Response to FreakinDJ (Reply #17)

Fri Jun 24, 2016, 08:32 AM

19. Instead of fixing the problem, the U.K. just voted to kick those weakened funds in the balls.

 

Not a good strategy if the goal was to salvage them.

"You're sinking! Quick! Grab hold of this shotgun! I'll try not to let it go off!"

Well, it went off anyways.

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Response to randome (Reply #19)

Fri Jun 24, 2016, 08:37 AM

20. That won't stop other EU member nations from following suit

 

and "The Shotgun" is hitting the Financial Sector squarely in the arse.

As for the Workers - we'll survive, we always have. We were here long before the Corps and we'll be here long after their gone

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Response to FreakinDJ (Reply #12)

Fri Jun 24, 2016, 08:28 AM

15. To where did their jobs disappear? Was it to a country or to a robot? nt

 

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Response to glennward (Reply #15)

Fri Jun 24, 2016, 08:38 AM

21. It matters more who profitted from it

 

and it wasn't the Working class

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Response to randome (Reply #2)

Fri Jun 24, 2016, 08:56 AM

23. Borders or not, it all depends on who is running the show

 

Cooperation, internationalism, etc. arer good things.

But it sucks if we allow a clique of greedy elitists and immoral corporations and banksters to be in charge of things .

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Response to Armstead (Reply #23)

Fri Jun 24, 2016, 09:00 AM

24. Instead of addressing that head on, Cameron thought it a good idea to put everything up to a vote.

 

He's an idiot. auntpurl's thread says it best: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027949740

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Response to randome (Reply #24)

Fri Jun 24, 2016, 09:04 AM

25. Arrogance of the elites

 

They assume they have people by the balls, and people will shrink from major changes. Or will so ignorant that they will accept the official party line.

Ooops....

BTW.... I am not saying I support the xenophobic and bigoted aspects of the "Leave" movement. But legitimate anger mixed in with illegitimate anger does not deny the valid reasons for the legitimate complaints.

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Response to Armstead (Reply #25)

Fri Jun 24, 2016, 09:08 AM

26. Agreed. Real leaders, however, do their best to differentiate between the two.

 

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Response to FreakinDJ (Reply #1)

Fri Jun 24, 2016, 07:38 AM

9. No, Freakin. It means power must remain with

the people, as it is supposed to in a democracy. I wish people would understand that it is our fault the people hiding behind corporations have become so powerful. We stupidly let it happen and we somewhat less stupidly can put a stop to it. As we are. Just not on a dime.

If the far right retains its hold it'll slow the transition and fuel the decline even more than it has already, but eventually they will lose because they have to.

Eventually our self interest combine with the enormous productivity boom we're moving into to distribute income among the work force via higher salaries for far shorter work weeks, lower costs of good living, etc. It's possible that at some point still well off we will also move to a basic guaranteed income. All that productivity will need solvent consumers to sell to.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #9)

Fri Jun 24, 2016, 07:52 AM

13. Not if Corporations have their way

 

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Response to FreakinDJ (Reply #13)

Fri Jun 24, 2016, 08:56 AM

22. How on earth would they? We outnumber "them"

at least 10,000 to 1. And we have our Constitution on our side and a tradition of 238 years of stable government and peaceful transitions of power, including the civil war years, so it'll almost certainly never come anywhere near our actually needing to massacre or imprison them.

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Response to FreakinDJ (Reply #1)

Fri Jun 24, 2016, 08:32 AM

18. No, it means their policies must be reality-based. NT

 

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Response to glennward (Original post)

Fri Jun 24, 2016, 07:02 AM

4. We have one thing to sell

 

A relatively robust market place. We have given it away...in essence paying other nations to access it and we receive nothing in return that we wouldn't already get. Sales of farm commodities make up the lion's share of our exports...we would sell them with or without these horrible trade agreements..

I'm not adverse to trade, I'm completely adverse to trade which encourages foreign manufacturing, which encourages maintaining slave wages in poor countries and has no incentive to bring these people to a standard of living comparable to ours instead of driving our standard of living to the level of theirs...

Repeal NAFTA tomorrow and nothing would change immediately....it would change the analysis of companies considering where they are going to employ people.

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Response to glennward (Original post)

Fri Jun 24, 2016, 07:07 AM

6. Careful there. Governments meddling too much with the economy is never a good idea.

It went wrong in Ancient Rome.
It went wrong and is going wrong in communist countries.
It went wrong in contemporary Venezuela.

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Response to DetlefK (Reply #6)

Fri Jun 24, 2016, 07:43 AM

11. What did the government do in 2008?

What has it been doing for the past 30 years as it has been run by corporate loybbyists and adopted a determined effort to offshore as much US production as possible and replace it with what could only be called a state-sponsored and subsidized financial industry (i.e. Wall Street backed by public dollars and supported by legislation)?

That is government meddling.

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Response to glennward (Original post)

Fri Jun 24, 2016, 07:24 AM

7. In the 80, Outsourcing; In 2000s, Off-Shoring; Now its Globalization. New Boss, same as the Old Boss

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Globalization has been with us for 40 years, as a strong market influence.

Other competing countries have the advantage of state-sponsored education, such as India and Poland.


The American workforce is being left behind, and will soon find itself on a decline like the U.K. did 30 years ago.

The world's billionaires are now investing in Central Europe, China, and other emerging countries, forsaking the U.S.

Yet, firms like Disney and Koch indistries can use Earnst & Young to ship their money to Luxembourg, paying 0.75% tax.


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Response to glennward (Original post)

Fri Jun 24, 2016, 07:28 AM

8. "Apres moi, le deluge" generally leads to the deluge.

Usually when it gets to that point, it doesn't take too long.

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