The time has come to support Sec. Clinton, my fellow Sanders supporters.

[ColesCountyDem]

I just saw Bernie's interview on CNN, and Bernie erased any doubts that he will VIGOROUSLY support Hillary in her campaign for POTUS. As a fifth-generation, lifelong, yellow-dog Democrat and old-time 'leftie', I have had more enthusiasm for other nominees, but Bernie rationally made the case for supporting Hillary in all ways possible. I will very likely never be rid of my reservations about Hillary, but I am also unwilling to break the Seventh Seal and usher in the Apocalypse that a Trump presidency would be. *deep breath* GO HILLARY!

[democrattotheend]

1. I'm not sure he will 'vigorously' support her

But what he said is a clear signal that he wants his supporters to vote for her in the fall. I'm ready to do so.

[brer cat]

12. Very nice sig line. nt

[MynameisBlarney]

101. Agreed

And I feel the same.

[auntpurl]

35. MIRT! CLEANUP ON AISLE 3!

[mountain grammy]

78. I'm there too!

[ronnykmarshall]

83. That was my bumper sticker in 2008

"Hillary has my heart, Barrack has my vote".

I feel ya and thank you.

[democrattotheend]

87. Was it the one I made?

I made a bumper sticker in 2008 that said exactly that: http://www.zazzle.com/democrattotheend/products?dp=0&sr=250327169807697710&cg=196635839065355566

Is that the one you had?

[ronnykmarshall]

99. I think it was!

I have that button too!

[democrattotheend]

100. Cool!

For what it's worth, I am happy for people like you who got their hearts broken 8 years ago and now get to see Hillary become the nominee. I have a good friend who was in that situation and I am happy for her. Being on the other side sucks but it's not so terrible for me because I don't hate Hillary like some Bernie supporters do and I always knew Bernie was a longshot so I tried (not entirely successfully) to avoid getting too emotionally invested.

[riversedge]

2. GO HILLARY!-as you say. Thank you.

[Siwsan]

4. I agree

I do not feel the enthusiasm that I felt during past Presidential election seasons, but I am most definitely open to that changing.

This election is just way too important for anyone to go into a 'snit' and sit in the corner, or throw their vote to a 3rd party candidate because their candidate wasn't selected.

Given the state of the current Republican party, it is imperative we keep them away from the White House and FAR away from SCOTUS nominations.

[seaglass]

7. I think that's fine Trajan. I voted for Hillary in my primary but I think she definitely has room

for improvement.

[AgadorSparticus]

55. Doesn't EVERYBODY have room for improvement?

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

103. I spose I do... I once thought I was wrong, but I was mistaken!

[Silver_Witch]

11. This^^^

[Triana]

6. Couldn't have said it better myself. I'm there! n/t

[Iggo]

8. She's got my vote.

That's about it.

[bigwillq]

9. I think most will be as supportive as they can be by November

Give them time, at least until the convention. The GE race doesn't officially begin until after the conventions anyway.

[floppyboo]

85. one good step forward would be stopping the 'us' 'them' dilineation. nt

[Silver_Witch]

10. Oh please. Don't vote on what other people say they will!

Vote for who you want not cause someone else says who to vote for. Your vote is yours to give and a candidate should earn that vote! My vote is mine and no ones business.

I am a democrat and a bleeding heart liberal for 40+ years. I will vote my conscious and be proud to have done so!!!


Just like my vote for President Obama of which I am immensely proud, my vote in November will make me proud as well!!

[Maven]

13. So you're immensely proud of President Obama, a centrist, but when it comes to Hillary, a centrist

...you have to vote your "conscious".

[carburyme]

14. And this type of post

is still allowed here?

If these people can't bring themselves to vote for Hillary they should be vanished now!!!!

[JRLeft]

17. Chill out, a lot of people will come around. November is months away.

[libodem]

102. Thanks JR

I'm sure we will. Some of us are not quite ready. It feels like we have to drink the kool-aid to stay in the cult.

I can't help but question authority.

[Silver_Witch]

77. You want me vanished??

Why? I am a Democrat with a voice! I have not posted anything that violates the new rules. Report me if you feel I have! I think we are still allowed to discuss things.

[carburyme]

98. New Rules

I think the bottomest line if there is any such word for the TOS As I have read or fly by it quickly as I have no patience for detail at all is that we now have a nominee and we now have to support her in this forum, am I right or am I wrong? You seem to be beating around the trolley in saying whom you'll vote and support per you "conscious" which is possible that it couldn't be our nominee?

[Silver_Witch]

75. I am not proud of President Obama when he supports TPP

In fact I am greatly disappointed. I also worry that he had to evolve on LBGT rights. On the other hand he has done many things to be proud of!

Hillary IMHO is not a centrist! She is too far right. Perhaps she will evolve again before November.

[randome]

67. If you're not open to others' opinions, then you've stopped evolving, imo.

[Silver_Witch]

74. I said I don't vote based on someone else saying how they will vote!

Thankfully I didnt have to evolve ion same sex marriage always thought it was right. Nor did ineedto evolve to know that "bringing people to heel was the wrong thing to say!"

Thanks for judging me!!

[randome]

79. Not judging you at all. You're the one saying that others' opinions don't influence you.

"Vote for who you want" shouldn't be a one-way street. Voting for the best candidate available, however, should, imo, be part of your decision.

Right now, the best candidate available is Clinton. I don't like her that much myself but I'm damned sure keeping the rest of the country in mind when I vote.

[Silver_Witch]

97. You are welcome to vote as you will...

That is what America is all about!!! There is no one-way street in my post....I simply state that other opinions don't influence me...that is the truth. I evaluate, watch, listen and then I decide based on facts and what I think is best for me and the country.

We get to vote our hearts and our conscious.

[Seeinghope]

88. Just leave it alone.

There will always be pushy people that get hysterical if you don't fall to your knees and do as your told. If you speak your mind or debate too much somebody with an itchy finger just won't be able to help themself.

[Silver_Witch]

96. The one nice things about the new rules...

is that not only is the post one complains about being judged but the alerter being judged as well.

[NurseJackie]

15. Excellent! Nicely done, you!

[JRLeft]

16. I've already gotten behind her.

[BlueMTexpat]

18. Thank you

for this!

[kerry-is-my-prez]

20. They've been here since 2006. That was mean!

[puffy socks]

26. what difference does that make?

The only opinions that matter are from those who've been on this board for a long time?

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

28. Who are you?

Caterpillar: Who... are... you?
Alice: I- I hardly know, sir. I've changed so many times since this morning, you see...
Caterpillar: No, I do not 'C.' Explain yourself.
Alice: I'm afraid I can't explain myself sir, because I'm not myself, you know.
Caterpillar: I do not know.
Alice: Well, I can't put it any more clearly, sir, for it isn't clear to me.
Caterpillar: You? Who ARE you?

[repeated line]
Caterpillar: Who are you?

[coco77]

21. I'm thinking..

[Jamaal510]

22. K&R

[Vinca]

23. I will vote for her to protect the nation from Trump, but I can't "support" her.

My vote is down to sane vs. insane.

[AzDar]

24. He doesn't vigorously support her... and he hasn't endorsed her. He's a man of his word...

[pnwmom]

25. Thank you for being willing to come together. This is such an important election. n/t

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

29. I will vote for her with my right hand

and hold my nose with the other.

Yes, I can enthusiastically proclaim, "she is better than Trump".

[Vote2016]

30. Why now? Doesn't it make more sense to come onboard to support Hillary when she picks a progressive

running mate, reforms the party rules and leadership, embraces the base at the convention, and pushes for a progressive platform?

[MoonRiver]

31. If she doesn't do all those things, will you vote for her anyway?

[840high]

51. Not your business who they vote for.

[libdem4life]

33. As if...not holding my breath. Time will tell.

[ThinkCritically]

36. This is why Hillary is lucky the GOP chose Trump to represent them.

That is the only way she is going to get a lot of votes from Bernie supporters. Myself included.

[lancer78]

42. I still wonder if Trump

was a Clinton plant. If he is, it would be the most brilliant political gamesmanship of all time.

[demwing]

59. Of course he is

But brilliant? 'Machiavellian` is closer

[HarmonyRockets]

44. So if it had been Clinton vs. Ted Cruz

you'd be ambivilent? You wouldn't vote for Clinton out of those two? Wow.

[DLCWIdem]

49. IMO Cruz was scarier than tRump

[Panich52]

38. Detailed plea f/ Hillary support:

From Daily Kos

this is very long read, but we'll worth time, esp f/ those who've taken RW hate-Hillary memes too seriously


The most thorough, profound and moving defense of Hillary Clinton I have ever seen.

First of all — this is not my writing. It's a Facebook post by someone I don’t even know, a man named Michael Arnovitz in Portland OR. But as a Facebook post it passes the fair use test and I’m quite certain he would not object that I share it here (he doesn’t). The original Facebook post is here: https://www.facebook.com/michael.arnovitz.3?fref=nf&pnref=story So without further ado, it’s truly worth the read:

"In the course of a single conversation, I have been assured that Hillary is cunning and manipulative but also crass, clueless, and stunningly impolitic; that she is a hopelessly woolly-headed do-gooder and, at heart, a hardball litigator; that she is a base opportunist and a zealot convinced that God is on her side. What emerges is a cultural inventory of villainy rather than a plausible depiction of an actual person." —Henry Louis Gates The quote above comes from a fascinating article called “Hating Hillary”, written by Gates for the New Yorker in 1996. Even now, 20 years after it was first published, it’s a fascinating and impressive piece, and if you have a few spare moments I strongly recommend it to you. (http://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.newyorker.com%2Fmagazine%2F1996%2F02%2F26%2Fhating-hillary&h=IAQG_OK8h&enc=AZMTuoKHiXlNSYnE1Fw3YvlKFXktHrMTGl-UsORwH8r2c8llVf1VNKCdVBHB2Fn9RfAlG7-089u3gkcRT4JzuEjbBOG3JhzPVDO_utWghdOCincMTiTVaJKy2L5sNz7AE4suw3jwLPHrtW72IJQTkSiy&s=1 )

And I’m reading pieces like this because now that Hillary has (essentially if not officially) won the Democratic Primary, I have become increasingly fascinated by the way so many people react to her. In truth, I sometimes think that I find that as interesting as Hillary herself. And I can’t help but notice that many of the reactions she receives seem to reflect what Gates referred to as “a cultural inventory of villainy” rather than any realistic assessment of who she really is and what she has really done.

To conservatives she is a radical left-wing insurgent who has on multiple occasions been compared to Mikhail Suslov, the Soviet Kremlin’s long-time Chief of Ideology. To many progressives (you know who you are), she is a Republican fox in Democratic sheep’s clothing, a shill for Wall Street who doesn’t give a damn about the working class. The fact that these views could not possibly apply to the same person does not seem to give either side pause. Hillary haters on the right and the left seem perfectly happy to maintain their mutually incompatible delusions about why she is awful. The only thing both teams seem to share is the insistence that Hillary is a Machiavellian conspirator and implacable liar, unworthy of society’s trust.

Much more:
http://m.dailykos.com/story/2016/6/11/1537582/-The-most-thorough-profound-and-moving-defense-of-Hillary-Clinton-I-have-ever-seen?

[DemonGoddess]

43. I tipped and rec'd that post on dkos

when it was first posted. It's an excellent read.

[Panich52]

104. Me too. Now to get "never Hillary" crowd to read it...

[calimary]

70. This is such a fabulous piece!

I've read it and reread it. It's long, but tremendously well worth it. Sure speaks for me.

[chwaliszewski]

39. I'll give my answer after the convention.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

40. Your should always vote for the candidate you prefer and the principles you believe in.

[HarmonyRockets]

45. Who will you be voting for?

[840high]

52. None of your concern. Votes are private.

[SunSeeker]

58. This is an anonymous board. Your privacy is not implicated..

By agreeing to the TOS, you agreed to support Democrats.

The question of who you will support in November is really just another way of asking if you are complying with the TOS. If you don't want people asking you your political positions, perhaps you shouldn't post on a political discussion board, especially one where you are required to support Dems.

[merrily]

64. In the real, the TOS do not require anyone to state for whom he or she is voting.

[SunSeeker]

69. This is not the real world.

This is an anonymous progressive Democratic message board. If you have issues with it, I suggest you try discussing it in ATA, not with me.

[merrily]

82. Being real about the TOS is a message board issue, not a "real world" issue.

Your post was about the TOS. I have no problem with this being a message board. I had an issue with the implication of your post. Hence I replied to your post instead of posting in ATA.

Like it or not, the TOS does not require anyone to ask for whom a DUer is entitled to vote nor does it require any DUer to state for whom he or she will vote. Therefore, when a DUer does ask, replying that one's vote is private, which is true for very good reasons, does not violate the TOS.

[SunSeeker]

84. The question asks what you had to agree to in order to be on this site.

I am not "required" to ask you nor are you "required" to respond. But nothing I am asking is a violation of privacy. The fact that you went on and on with your defensive argument rather than simply answer the question pretty much answers HarmonyRocket's question anyway.

[merrily]

89. 0 for 3 (1) No, it isn't. (2) Harmony Rockets asked Tierra y Libertad about voting, not me and

you did not ask me or anyone else about voting, at least not in this subthread. Therefore, I did not accuse you, even a little, of invading anyone's privacy. Finally (3) My reply 64 to you, which was all of a single, simple sentence pointing out that your implication about the TOS was incorrect, was not the least bit defensive. (My next reply was about your misunderstanding my Reply 64.)

I'm glad you finally agree with me that the TOS does not require any DUer to state how he or she will vote. However, votes are private, just ask Allison Grimes or any other Secretary of State of any state of the U.S.A. That's why there's a curtain on voting machines, and why it must be closed before the occupant can vote. (Boston uses paper ballots, but dividers prevent voters from peeking at each other's ballots.) Loyalty oaths and the like have been considered odious in this country since McCarthy, if not sooner; and you no doubt know the expression about ASSUME-ing. I think we've about beaten the subject to death at this point, anyway.

Have a great, sun-seeking day! The more sunniness we seek and find, the better.

[SunSeeker]

90. LOL. It's a Term of Service, not a "McCarthy" "loyalty oath."

But have a very merry day. The merriest. The merrier it is the better!

[John Poet]

65. Are the 'D.U. Police' going to follow them into the voting booth to make sure?

This kind of 'TOS Bullying' is meant to make certain people "feel unwelcome" here,
and THAT is certainly against sections of that same TOS! You just invited them to leave...

Maybe you need to read it again, yourself.

[SunSeeker]

68. No. The TOS make very clear who is welcome here.

I am just stating a fact. If you disagree with the TOS, take it up with ATA, not me.

[egduj]

80. Just like Skinner did with the TOS, he should arrange it so the next time you log in...

a pop-up appears that asks the simple question "Do you plan to vote for Hillary in the upcoming presidential election?" with two options:

- Yes
- No/Undecided.

If you click 'yes' then you proceed to the board as normal. If you click 'No/Undecided' then your posting privileges are revoked until you re-visit the question in your profile and commit to the Democratic nominee.

Sure, people will lie and vote 'yes' just to get on, but any of the "She has to earn my vote...", "I'll vote my conscious...", or "It's none of your business" tools will be exposed as lying jackasses whose only purpose is to troll the board and create dissent.

[John Poet]

86. "Your papers, please!"

Sounds pretty authoritarian. What a way to 'win their hearts and minds'.

[LanternWaste]

91. I pretend adherence to the TOS is authoritarian as well

I pretend adherence to the TOS is authoritarian as well (must get that trendy t-shirt). And like you, I also pretend hearts and minds are relevant to the discussion and at stake due to a mere post on a message board.

Our melodrama lacks only the ominous soundtrack (Hans Zimmer, maybe?) to allow it further credibility.

[HarmonyRockets]

61. Kind of odd how someone would need to keep that private on a website like this where we're all

supporting the Democratic candidate, no?

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

56. The candidate I prefer.

You?

[HarmonyRockets]

60. I understand that,

maybe you misunderstood, which candidate do you prefer?

[HarmonyRockets]

95. Refrain from what behavior?

I'm obviously supporting Hillary Clinton over Donald Trump. Certainly I don't need to give reasons. I can if you really need me to.

Asking people if they support the Democrat or Trump on this board is trolling?

I'm stunned.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

66. Why do you ask?

Do you think my vote will decide the election?

[HarmonyRockets]

93. No I'm just curious.

[lancer78]

41. Trump will not be the nominee

one of his delegates has filed federal suit alleging he cannot vote for Trump in "good conscience". If he is still 10 digits behind HRC by mid-July, the GOP will do everything in its power to drop him like a hot rock.

[Logical]

46. Many Hillary fans are still are being snarky or insulting, no idea why. Nt

[William769]

71. And you can't see it the other way right? nt

[TheFarseer]

47. She still has to win my vote

I have never and will never vote for a letter. Oppose TPP and convince me you are for real by your VP pick, the convention and debates and that will go a long ways. Not that it matters what one person in NE does with their vote.

[Hiraeth]

48. oh my god. you are so right. I love you all. Isn't she fabulous.

so glad I saw the light. Just feeling the love all over.

[coyote]

81. Touching and heartfelt.

[JonLeibowitz]

54. Thanks, but I'll pass for now.

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She needs to earn my vote.

[William769]

72. Thank you.

[JonLeibowitz]

73. You're welcome! I've made it very clear before what I need to see from the nominee before my support

Voting is one matter, but support (volunteering, donating, etc.) requires more (I need to actually agree with the political program).

[demwing]

57. It can wait till the convention is over

Why the urgency?

[HumanityExperiment]

76. not until this bit is done....

http://www.commondreams.org/news/2016/06/25/betraying-progressives-dnc-platform-backs-fracking-tpp-and-israel-occupation

platform battle is still ongoing

[Orsino]

92. The time is long past for supporting a platform as progressive as Sanders'.

Your enthusiasm is much appreciated, but Philly is time enough for me as well as for Senator Sanders.

What it's devinitely not time for is giving up on the greater things we can and should achieve. Let's all stay involved, and not let our nominee off the hook. We need her to do so much.

[skidoo]

94. I still believe in democracy. Each citizen should advocate his or her own interests.