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fun n serious

(4,451 posts)
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 04:41 AM Jun 2016

I guess it's all or nothing for Bernie..

“If we don’t make it in Orlando, we’re takin’ that fight right to the floor of the Democratic convention. Whether they like it or not, we’re going to open the doors of the Democratic Party.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/unity-efforts-hit-snag-at-final-meeting-over-democratic-platform/2016/06/24/2919fd06-3a3d-11e6-a254-2b336e293a3c_story.html?postshare=9911466840165352&tid=ss_tw

I have never seen or known of a loser demanding so much. Never. Hillary is making great efforts and still it's not enough and this threatening language is terrible.

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I guess it's all or nothing for Bernie.. (Original Post) fun n serious Jun 2016 OP
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Hillary is really trying and doing a lot fun n serious Jun 2016 #2
Is she? swhisper1 Jun 2016 #39
I think so but some people look for reasons to be angry fun n serious Jun 2016 #41
I'm not angry, I am numb and disillusioned swhisper1 Jun 2016 #47
It is natural when one's candidate loses cosmicone Jun 2016 #69
I don't have a candidate, never did swhisper1 Jun 2016 #79
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Okay, you're very sincere. Sanders, tho, is still fighting for his Hortensis Jun 2016 #110
I don't feel as if "the primary is still on".... John Poet Jun 2016 #114
Lol. The primary gives this primary candidate the right Hortensis Jun 2016 #115
If that's what we 'need to do', then we sure failed at it THIS year. John Poet Jun 2016 #116
I like Sanders even better as someone fighting to make Eric J in MN Jun 2016 #17
While I appreciate what you are BlueMTexpat Jun 2016 #26
Well said Stuckinthebush Jun 2016 #33
+1 (nt) LongtimeAZDem Jun 2016 #37
To me, the democratic party is the best thing we've got going. It's not perfect, but RKP5637 Jun 2016 #56
Welcome! :) eom BlueMTexpat Jun 2016 #61
Thanks! n/t RKP5637 Jun 2016 #89
+1,000 AgadorSparticus Jun 2016 #62
Agreed! pandr32 Jun 2016 #93
Yes, exactlly right! NastyRiffraff Jun 2016 #94
I also used to like Sanders but that is no longer the case Gothmog Jun 2016 #55
That's vindictive of you. I still don't like the Clintons. I'll vote Hillary, in the general. (nt) w4rma Jun 2016 #100
I will support the nominee of the party but luckily that nominee will not Sanders Gothmog Jun 2016 #122
Honestly. He is voting for Clinton and trying to point our party in the best direction for us, 99%. The Wielding Truth Jun 2016 #58
That's the way I feel too. Bernie wants Hillary to win, so do I. I voted for and supported RKP5637 Jun 2016 #91
I'm sure you always held him in high regard before this. NorthCarolina Jun 2016 #74
Actually, NorthCarolina, many of us did. calimary Jun 2016 #98
Don't keep fighting the last Democratic presidential primary Ptah Jun 2016 #3
The reason I voted to leave is that the primary isn't over yet. ucrdem Jun 2016 #5
Tell it to Sanders. baldguy Jun 2016 #13
Yes! Please and thank you. NurseJackie Jun 2016 #15
A-friggin'-men! Surya Gayatri Jun 2016 #27
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I don't see how discussing facts would cause a jury alert.. fun n serious Jun 2016 #6
Only some facts are allowed here now, John Poet Jun 2016 #25
I do not see her trying to bring the party together, I see her trying to bring the party to her way swhisper1 Jun 2016 #42
That's not true. fun n serious Jun 2016 #44
really? I see many moving away, different folks I guess swhisper1 Jun 2016 #48
And Bernie is trying to bring the party to his way. Surprise! They are politicians. kerry-is-my-prez Jun 2016 #59
yup swhisper1 Jun 2016 #64
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nope, his actions have proven hes a dem all that time. Being indy means you have free choice to swhisper1 Jun 2016 #85
Ha I've had puffy socks Jun 2016 #63
Really? To justify this OP, you're going with "uniting the party"? n/t lumberjack_jeff Jun 2016 #96
This message was self-deleted by its author Surya Gayatri Jun 2016 #28
why would you say that? Competition is healthy, where has he overstepped? swhisper1 Jun 2016 #49
So what? Really. It's a tactic. This is national politics, Hortensis Jun 2016 #7
$15 is in the platform.. fun n serious Jun 2016 #9
Whoops, thanks. With all the discontented noise Hortensis Jun 2016 #10
The propaganda is thick up in here. AtomicKitten Jun 2016 #12
Thanks, Atomic. I can understand the confusion. Hortensis Jun 2016 #14
I have seen contradictory reports. Eric J in MN Jun 2016 #18
Hmmm. That would be a real difference all right. Hortensis Jun 2016 #19
I thought the platform committee just voted down the $15 minimum wage? merrily Jun 2016 #32
No it's in there. There are arguments over the language involved with it. kerry-is-my-prez Jun 2016 #50
Thanks. Apparently, the online articles I saw the last time I googled this were mistaken? merrily Jun 2016 #108
No, it's out. Adopted in draft, voted down by committee. notadmblnd Jun 2016 #78
No. It's in fun n serious Jun 2016 #81
link? notadmblnd Jun 2016 #87
Here is the link fun n serious Jun 2016 #88
As I said. Approved in draft. Voted down in committee. notadmblnd Jun 2016 #90
Do you have a link? fun n serious Jun 2016 #92
Yes, it was in my first post you replied to. notadmblnd Jun 2016 #97
The link was wrong and has been updated. TwilightZone Jun 2016 #104
the platform was already decided along with everything else. They are just going thru the motions swhisper1 Jun 2016 #43
I get it lillypaddle Jun 2016 #8
Double standard. Been that way for a long time. Go figure. Surya Gayatri Jun 2016 #29
Im not fighting the primary, its a done deal swhisper1 Jun 2016 #45
the primary isnt what is being discussed here, the platform is a different topic and not decided swhisper1 Jun 2016 #51
You do understand that there is nothing "legal" about it right? leftofcool Jun 2016 #111
Bernie is unconventional and I like that. aikoaiko Jun 2016 #11
Trump is even more unconventional cosmicone Jun 2016 #70
trump is not unconventional, he is a sick clinical entity swhisper1 Jun 2016 #83
Good. I want the floor to vote on the TPP and fracking. Eric J in MN Jun 2016 #16
I'm ok with a floor vote fun n serious Jun 2016 #21
I doubt those topics will be allowed. Nothing decisive will be allowed. It has to be upbeat swhisper1 Jun 2016 #46
At some point, (hopefully now) the Clinton campaign will flex it's strength. SaschaHM Jun 2016 #20
I thought it was illegal to push for a position in exchange for endorsement...?? fun n serious Jun 2016 #23
I'm not sure but is he referring to the minimum wage issue? DCBob Jun 2016 #22
Just ignore him. eom MoonRiver Jun 2016 #24
^^^This!^^^ Surya Gayatri Jun 2016 #30
Bernie who? Squinch Jun 2016 #31
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #34
He received 45% of the vote, 13 million votes HerbChestnut Jun 2016 #35
Neither can Hillary's voters.. fun n serious Jun 2016 #36
is the plan to crush all minorities or just some? SoLeftIAmRight Jun 2016 #105
The majority --the winners--rule. Simple as that riversedge Jun 2016 #38
What if she won by one vote? rickford66 Jun 2016 #86
they in power will try, but they will fail swhisper1 Jun 2016 #53
Adlai Stevenson got 26 million votes LongtimeAZDem Jun 2016 #65
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Didn't he say he wanted a revolution or was that just his supporters? Is he still not a Democrat? kerry-is-my-prez Jun 2016 #71
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No concession, no prime time speech Gothmog Jun 2016 #54
Conventions don't pass laws. Tal Vez Jun 2016 #57
not buying that swhisper1 Jun 2016 #66
An actual law can only be passed by the government. MoonRiver Jun 2016 #99
Someone needs to tell Bernie; the doors are already open. CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #60
You would think that is kind of common sense.... AgadorSparticus Jun 2016 #73
DU rec...nt SidDithers Jun 2016 #67
A kick for Bernie! bigwillq Jun 2016 #75
That's how politics work. You fight for what you want. Teamster Jeff Jun 2016 #77
"I have never seen or known of a loser demanding so much. Never." ?really? How dismissive of you. TumbleAndJumble Jun 2016 #80
Why is that "dismissive?" MoonRiver Jun 2016 #84
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Indeed. JonLeibowitz Jun 2016 #103
Good. kiva Jun 2016 #101
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Is it so hard to fathom somebody fighting to the end for what they believe? n/t Jester Messiah Jun 2016 #106
Good. Party reform will not take place without it being pushed. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2016 #107
Who? nt geek tragedy Jun 2016 #109
Nice to see him being called a loser here. vintx Jun 2016 #112
As in he lost the primary... fun n serious Jun 2016 #113
Right. vintx Jun 2016 #117
Don't care anymore. Adrahil Jun 2016 #118
It's shocking to see a politician with so much integrity and commitment. Totally shocking. Vinca Jun 2016 #119
To the Victor goes the spoils. William769 Jun 2016 #120
platform matters.. maybe you don't want Bernie fighting for the best platform? HumanityExperiment Jun 2016 #121

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fun n serious

(4,451 posts)
2. Hillary is really trying and doing a lot
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 04:48 AM
Jun 2016

and he makes it seem like it's terrible not to adopt everything he wants. Geez. He lost!

 

cosmicone

(11,014 posts)
69. It is natural when one's candidate loses
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 11:23 AM
Jun 2016

Ultimately, we are all on the same side and we should accept that in an election, someone has to win and someone has to lose.

We should all work for electing Hillary Clinton. Bernie and Hillary have 95% of views in common and 91% votes in common.

When faced with losing 100%, most rational people would settle for 95% and move forward.

 

swhisper1

(851 posts)
79. I don't have a candidate, never did
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 11:46 AM
Jun 2016

and no, they are not 95% alike,more 5% alike. I look at history, not the person nor his or her gender, but their personage, ethics and morals, ideals and consistency. I am not the minority in this thinking. I am looking at the general election and see only descending into a black hole. All four party's have nothing to offer the problems of today. There is no there there, no enthusiasm, just each voter voting for the lesser of the 4 evils. None stand for america- they only stand for their own agendas, or single issues. One stands for nothing but his own name.

A tragedy is unfolding. America is an infant in years compared to other nations, and as it slides into puberty, it has lost identity and there is no future if we keep this course. Do we suicide or do we stand up and fight for the core of our people?

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
110. Okay, you're very sincere. Sanders, tho, is still fighting for his
Sun Jun 26, 2016, 08:41 AM
Jun 2016

progressive revolution and the simple fact is that the primary is still on.

Now that most progressive issues will be adopted in the Democratic Party platform anyway, his biggest issue is "opening" the Democratic Party so outsiders can vote for his revolutionary successors in the primaries. I worry that could lead to a Koch-lead takeover attempt, i.e., a left-wing "tea party" phenomenon given extra power by an influx of conservative populists, but Bernie sees it as a way for his revolution to gain ground in the next election. This is obviously a crucial strategy for him, so he fights on. I don't think anyone should be surprised.

Or too dismayed. Sanders is almost certainly going to lose this one because the Democratic Party needs him to. His successors for the leadership of his movement will just have to win their Democratic primaries by appealing to the Democratic Party membership.

 

John Poet

(2,510 posts)
114. I don't feel as if "the primary is still on"....
Sun Jun 26, 2016, 11:00 AM
Jun 2016

speaking as a Sanders supporter and lifetime Democrat...

Bernie has shown every sign of moving towards wrapping this thing up, although not at the speed that some Hillary supporters have demanded... and I am willing to allow him to do that, at whatever speed with which he is comfortable. Whatever remains of the "campaign" is really about the platform and future of the party, and not about the nomination.

Why do so many Clinton supporters here seem to want to keep fighting the primary battle?
You've won, haven't you?

Bernie has never sought to install conservatives into the Democratic party-- that much is complete bullshit.





Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
115. Lol. The primary gives this primary candidate the right
Sun Jun 26, 2016, 11:50 AM
Jun 2016

to keep speaking at party events about his own issues. If the primary were over, he would only be given a speaker's spot at the convention to speak for the party. Some Democrats are tired of his insults and prefer to pretend he's "out," of course, but that doesn't explain why you're arguing that it's over.

But yes, things have ended up pretty much as we expected in the beginning. We do still need to protect the party from those who want it to lay back, spread its legs, and think of, what is it? "Democracy?"


"Human perversity, then, makes divisions of that which by nature is one and simple, and in attempting to obtain part of something which has no parts, succeeds in getting neither the part- which is nothing- nor the whole, which they are not interested in." Boethius
 

John Poet

(2,510 posts)
116. If that's what we 'need to do', then we sure failed at it THIS year.
Sun Jun 26, 2016, 11:58 AM
Jun 2016
"We do still need to protect the party from those who want it to lay back, spread its legs, and think of, what is it? "Democracy?"


From my point of view, that describes someone else from whom you think it does.

Eric J in MN

(35,619 posts)
17. I like Sanders even better as someone fighting to make
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 06:42 AM
Jun 2016

...the Democratic Party platform progressive than as an Independent.

BlueMTexpat

(15,349 posts)
26. While I appreciate what you are
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 08:07 AM
Jun 2016

saying, I do not appreciate the implication that the Dem Party platform was not "progressive" BBS ("before Bernie Sanders&quot .

There has been too much of the "Sanders Revolution" taking credit for things that the Dem Party has ALWAYS stood for or doing things that some Dems have been doing all along, a la Rep John Lewis or Hillary herself.

Some of us have been fighting the good fight all our lives. That is why we are Democrats.

RKP5637

(67,032 posts)
56. To me, the democratic party is the best thing we've got going. It's not perfect, but
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 11:10 AM
Jun 2016

it's far better IMO than other options. I like Bernie, I voted for Bernie, but I will now vote for Hillary. I also would love to see a Hillary/Warren ticket.

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
94. Yes, exactlly right!
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 12:57 PM
Jun 2016

it's an insult to Democrats who have been fighting for progressive causes for many years. Is the Democratic party perfect? Of course not. Can it be improved? Sure. But that DOESN'T mean that Sanders can or should get everything he wants on the platform.

 

w4rma

(31,700 posts)
100. That's vindictive of you. I still don't like the Clintons. I'll vote Hillary, in the general. (nt)
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 02:08 PM
Jun 2016

The Wielding Truth

(11,411 posts)
58. Honestly. He is voting for Clinton and trying to point our party in the best direction for us, 99%.
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 11:10 AM
Jun 2016

That's what he is about now. 'Nuf said.

We're all on the Dem-train. Let's take on some more passengers!

Go! Hill! I want Hillary! So does Bernie.

RKP5637

(67,032 posts)
91. That's the way I feel too. Bernie wants Hillary to win, so do I. I voted for and supported
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 12:26 PM
Jun 2016

Bernie, but IMO he's being a realist too as am I. The dems must win in 2016 to save this country.

calimary

(80,700 posts)
98. Actually, NorthCarolina, many of us did.
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 02:01 PM
Jun 2016

I don't claim to speak for anyone other than myself, although I've seen enough anecdotal evidence in my own reading and studying to support this particular reply title, and rather strongly.

I used to enjoy listening to "Brunch with Bernie," every Friday, back when Thom Hartmann's show aired here in L.A., years ago. Thought he was a good egg. But the more I learned about him during this campaign, the more troubled I became.

For me, no one spoke to me, or my concerns - with real meat in the sandwich about HOW actually and realistically to get some of this accomplished - better and louder and more forcefully than Hillary did. I kept thinking about the proverbial "wish sandwich" that the Blues Brothers riffed about, where you have two pieces of bread, and you WISH you had some meat. FOR ME, I found that Bernie's campaign fitted that definition.

I've been a Hillary supporter ever since I first learned about her in 1992. And rather ardently, too. She had me at "I suppose I could have stayed home and baked cookies." Nothing she's done since has deflated that. Quite the contrary - the more I see, hear, read, and learn about her, since then, and throughout this campaign has only reinforced my original instincts about her.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
5. The reason I voted to leave is that the primary isn't over yet.
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 04:57 AM
Jun 2016

The struggle continues as Sanders himself has said so it seems reasonable to discuss it in those terms.

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fun n serious

(4,451 posts)
6. I don't see how discussing facts would cause a jury alert..
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 05:02 AM
Jun 2016

I think Hillary is really trying to bring the party together and I think it's unreasonable for a candidate who lost to ask for so much. I mean, Hillary's voters voted for HER platform not his. They are the majority.

 

swhisper1

(851 posts)
42. I do not see her trying to bring the party together, I see her trying to bring the party to her way
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 10:46 AM
Jun 2016

of thinking. she believes what she says and no one can force her to bend. Everything Bernie asked for goes against her overall plans. She will keep her voters.

 

fun n serious

(4,451 posts)
44. That's not true.
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 10:49 AM
Jun 2016

She has been using unity language for weeks now. She has been sucessful. I think a large number have already moved to Hillary.

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swhisper1

(851 posts)
85. nope, his actions have proven hes a dem all that time. Being indy means you have free choice to
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 11:58 AM
Jun 2016

not belong to the biases of a clique. I refused to join a clique in high school. That did not say I am not a democrat

 

puffy socks

(1,473 posts)
63. Ha I've had
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 11:14 AM
Jun 2016

3 civil posts hidden for "fighting the primary" because they pointed out Bernie shouldnt get credit for Dem sit in and his not conceding is stubborn and doesnt create unity.
Alert stalking is still very much in style here at DU

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Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
7. So what? Really. It's a tactic. This is national politics,
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 05:05 AM
Jun 2016

after all, not a church bake sale committee meeting. The Democratic Party, like most, has always had many factions which by definition don't agree, and people at that level play a far tougher game for very high stakes. Sanders is doing what he's supposed to do for all the people, mostly Democrats, who voted for what he could do for them: Using what leverage he has to come through for them.

In this case, all parties involved had to have expected this from the beginning. Both Bernie and the DNC knew, for instance, that a demand for a min wage increase to $15 was not going to be approved. Bernie delegates were a minority on the committee, and the rest thought that was too big a jump for the nation to take and likely to backfire. They also knew, because Bernie has been anything but ambiguous on the subject, that he would go make noise at the convention.

Big surprise.

What I am wondering about is committee members not bringing copies of their proposed amendments to pass around. That's very basic stuff, so is not providing copies itself a tactic and for what purpose?

In any case, we just picked up another couple boxes of microwave popcorn at Sam's Club, so with luck we'll be set through the convention.



Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
10. Whoops, thanks. With all the discontented noise
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 05:12 AM
Jun 2016

on this forum about the $15, I just assumed it had been shot down. Big mistake.

So, in any case, substitute whatever issues they got stopped on here.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
14. Thanks, Atomic. I can understand the confusion.
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 06:25 AM
Jun 2016

Just googled news on this and found articles at the top claiming it'd been shot down and claiming it was adopted, posted 14 and 9 hours ago respectively. Well, I certainly have no problem with opening the door to $15 anyway, so all good.

Eric J in MN

(35,619 posts)
18. I have seen contradictory reports.
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 06:47 AM
Jun 2016

I think the platform draft says Americans should earn at least $15 per hour and the Sanders people wanted it to say that the federal min wage should be $15 and indexed to inflation.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
19. Hmmm. That would be a real difference all right.
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 07:08 AM
Jun 2016

The Hill reported Dems adopt a $15 minimum wage. You'd think they'd at least understand the importance of language.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
78. No, it's out. Adopted in draft, voted down by committee.
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 11:46 AM
Jun 2016

Dem Platform Committee Votes Down $15 Min Wage Amendment ...
www.democraticunderground.com/1017387959

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
29. Double standard. Been that way for a long time. Go figure.
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 08:29 AM
Jun 2016
We're not supposed to keep fighting the primary. But Bernie is.
 

swhisper1

(851 posts)
51. the primary isnt what is being discussed here, the platform is a different topic and not decided
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 11:02 AM
Jun 2016

at least not legally, yet.

leftofcool

(19,460 posts)
111. You do understand that there is nothing "legal" about it right?
Sun Jun 26, 2016, 09:01 AM
Jun 2016

It's a piece of aspiration written on paper.

 

cosmicone

(11,014 posts)
70. Trump is even more unconventional
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 11:25 AM
Jun 2016

I don't think "unconventional" is a good criterion to judge a candidate by. Just my opinion.

Eric J in MN

(35,619 posts)
16. Good. I want the floor to vote on the TPP and fracking.
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 06:40 AM
Jun 2016

Primetime at the convention is for speeches. The rest of the time the delegates can vote on things such as whether the platform should be against fracking and the TPP.

(I'm against fracking and the TPP.)

SaschaHM

(2,897 posts)
20. At some point, (hopefully now) the Clinton campaign will flex it's strength.
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 07:27 AM
Jun 2016

This isn't a much of a "fight" since the outcome is already guaranteed. More like a prolonged tantrum by a man who lost and doesn't have the voting strength to get any of his agenda through.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
22. I'm not sure but is he referring to the minimum wage issue?
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 07:32 AM
Jun 2016

That seems doable. Surprised there is so much contention over that.

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Tal Vez

(660 posts)
57. Conventions don't pass laws.
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 11:10 AM
Jun 2016

The fact that someone may be opposed to including a proposal in a party platform does not mean that the same person would oppose the same proposal when it comes to changing the law. A platform contains and omits many things for strategic reasons.

 

CrowCityDem

(2,348 posts)
60. Someone needs to tell Bernie; the doors are already open.
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 11:13 AM
Jun 2016

No one has been stopped from becoming a Democrat. All are free to join. They just aren't going to be given control of the party when they are still the minority.

Teamster Jeff

(1,598 posts)
77. That's how politics work. You fight for what you want.
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 11:40 AM
Jun 2016

There has been so much triangulating and conceding done by Dems that an actual political push seems like an outrage.

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HumanityExperiment

(1,442 posts)
121. platform matters.. maybe you don't want Bernie fighting for the best platform?
Sun Jun 26, 2016, 02:53 PM
Jun 2016
http://www.commondreams.org/news/2016/06/25/betraying-progressives-dnc-platform-backs-fracking-tpp-and-israel-occupation

"During a 9-hour meeting in St. Louis, Missouri on Friday, members of the DNC's platform drafting committee voted down a number of measures proposed by Bernie Sanders surrogates that would have come out against the contentious Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP), fracking, and the Israeli occupation of Palestine. At the same time, proposals to support a carbon tax, Single Payer healthcare, and a $15 minimum wage tied to inflation were also disregarded.

In a statement, Sanders said he was "disappointed and dismayed" that representatives of Hillary Clinton and DNC chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schulz rejected the proposal on trade put forth by Sanders appointee Rep. Keith Ellison (D-Minn.), despite the fact that the presumed nominee has herself come out against the 12-nation deal."

"Inexplicable" was how Sanders described the move, adding: "It is hard for me to understand why Secretary Clinton’s delegates won’t stand behind Secretary Clinton’s positions in the party’s platform."

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