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Sun Jun 26, 2016, 02:27 AM

Why the GOP Will Stage a Coup Against Trump at the Convention

Trump can't win. When he called a born in the US judge with a Latino sounding name a "Mexican" he made sure that he could not win. There is no math in the world that comes up with anything but a Trump loss. He is mobilizing Hispanics to register to vote--against him. Clinton probably will not even have to select a Latino running mate now. Now she can pick Elizabeth Warren and make the liberal base happy while not entirely pissing off conservatives because once upon a time, Warren was a member of the GOP.

Before he inserted his foot into his mouth, there were a fair number of conservatives born in the US of Hispanic origin who might have considered Trump. Or, at least, considered staying home. But not any more. He made it personal. So personal that his name at the top of the ticket could cost the GOP Texas, Florida, Arizona---

Remember what Obama did to Black voter turn out? Trump is doing it with Latinos. If he went into this hoping to rake in lots of Citizens United dollars, he might as well give up, because Big Business knows that if it backs Trump, Clinton will put two more liberals on the SCOTUS--and then the Federalists' dream will go up in smoke. A loser can not pay back his campaign donors---and Trump has loser written all over him.

So, all the Republicans who are endorsing Clinton---don't let them fool you. Right now, they are sitting in a smoke filled room writing the script for the coup. Who will ride in on a white horse to save the GOP? I guessing they will draft Chuck Hagel. That would make two former Obama administration officials running against each other for their former boss' job. And the general election could be close and fierce. Hagel is no conservative GOP dream candidate. But his SCOTUS nominees will be business friendly---and that is what business wants.

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Reply Why the GOP Will Stage a Coup Against Trump at the Convention (Original post)
McCamy Taylor Jun 2016 OP
John Poet Jun 2016 #1
L. Coyote Jun 2016 #2
Ken Burch Jun 2016 #3
ecstatic Jun 2016 #15
L. Coyote Jun 2016 #17
joshcryer Jun 2016 #4
JustAnotherGen Jun 2016 #5
joshcryer Jun 2016 #6
Sunlei Jun 2016 #7
workinclasszero Jun 2016 #8
brooklynite Jun 2016 #9
Native Jun 2016 #10
Hiraeth Jun 2016 #12
TwilightZone Jun 2016 #11
0rganism Jun 2016 #13
okasha Jun 2016 #14
AgadorSparticus Jun 2016 #16

Response to McCamy Taylor (Original post)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 02:39 AM

1. Trump's delegates are all people who strongly support him, and are excited

 

by all the batshit crazy things which he has been saying. They dig him. You don't get elected to be a candidate's delegate otherwise. Pledged delegates are almost always entirely from the ranks of the "true believers" who would be among the last to bail on their candidate, no matter what.

So how is the GOP establishment going to change all their minds?


I don't see it happening.


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Response to McCamy Taylor (Original post)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 02:46 AM

2. Still think the Alzheimer's issue will be Trump's Trexit, bowing out with everyone's sympathy.

Trump gets to be great again.



And all those feet get extracted by his dentist ....

"What candidate could take on Hillary and win?" is their question to themselves. "Would a surprise candidate, an outsider, be advantageous?" might be a strategic ask. This cycle, a Beltway candidate is not the best bet. I think their pick is too tough to predict, but their coup against Trump is predictable.

I have not analyzed who Trump's delegates are, old GOP regulars or more guys like his Bundy militia gun-toting racist Obama haters like Jerry DeLumus. Are they GOP loyalists or Trump Tea Party newbies? That's a lot of people to look up and I'm not ready to accept generalized characterizations predicting their behavior without some research.

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Response to L. Coyote (Reply #2)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 03:02 AM

3. That would depend on two things:

 

1)Trump's acceptance of such a diagnosis, assuming it is true(which would mean acknowledging, as he never has before, that he is an ordinary human capable of weakness and vincibility ), which would be contingent upon

2)Trump being aware of reality to grasp what the diagnoses truly means.

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Response to L. Coyote (Reply #2)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 11:56 PM

15. Didn't Ronald Reagan run and win with Alzheimer's? Nt

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Response to ecstatic (Reply #15)

Mon Jun 27, 2016, 12:26 AM

17. It was well hidden and early in 1984, I would say.

I recall in 1985-86 in Central America, discussing his mental faculties and making some conclusions he would not have enjoyed hearing. Trump is more obvious at this point than Reagan was during the 1984 campaign.

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Response to McCamy Taylor (Original post)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 04:23 AM

4. Trump has the majority of pledged delegates.

It just seems utterly unlikely that he gets removed. He'd have to step down. This only happens, I think, if he's bribed for $5 billion or something.

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #4)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 08:37 AM

5. And he will share it in a speech

Let me tell you Josh. This is huge. The thing is greatness. I can see Lake Ontario from my penthouse. And I'm getting another one. America. Did you know - they offered me $500 billion dollars to step down? My wife she's a ten and that makes America Great Again.

He will definitely make the number much much yuuuuuuger!

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #5)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 08:40 AM

6. Yup.

He'd ONLY step down if he got a bribe for it (billions of dollars) and he'd say "Nothing personal, just business."

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #4)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 09:07 AM

7. He already said he used his own money for campaign. That's a loan & with a 25%? interest rate

will return huge profits.

To 'run for president' has become an investment, a wealth building opportunity for many republicans. None of them ever really lose.

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Response to McCamy Taylor (Original post)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 09:20 AM

8. I don't doubt that many republicans are seeing the writing on the wall about Trump

 

Will they be bold enough to tell the hardcore baggers to F-OFF at their convention? I dunno.

It would cause a civil war in that party. The nutcases that are running the show on the right will have a YUUUUUGE meltdown over that!

Hate radio would be purple with RAGE!!!

Whoever they would insert in Trumps place would become instantly the object of the baggers hate and rage. What republican would want that job ? LOL

They would lose the general election the moment the old switcheroo went into effect and start the final days for their stinking party so I hope they go for it!

The creeps that don't like Trump are the very ones that made him possible so a plague on all their houses as far as I'm concerned!

Ride the tiger republicans!

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Response to McCamy Taylor (Original post)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 02:33 PM

9. Your assessment offers no explanation of HOW they'll pull this off.

The Rules Committee isn't considering a change in the bound voting process, and there aren't enough anti-Trump members to issue a minority report.

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Response to McCamy Taylor (Original post)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 04:07 PM

10. This: How is Donald Trump Going to Quit (when, not if)

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Response to Native (Reply #10)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 04:21 PM

12. the family excuse works for me. eom

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Response to McCamy Taylor (Original post)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 04:10 PM

11. The GOP considers Hagel a sell-out; they're not going to pick him.

And I doubt he would accept, if they did.

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Response to McCamy Taylor (Original post)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 05:27 PM

13. Hagel would be a sane reasonable choice for the Republican candidacy

which practically ensures he will not be selected and if he were to be selected, could not win due to anemic base turnout.

it's the Obama taint, that won't wash off anytime soon.

if the Republican elites try to push Hagel onto a party that voted largely for Trump, they will be disappointed. i think Hagel himself would turn down the nomination were it handed to him.

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Response to McCamy Taylor (Original post)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 06:14 PM

14. I don't think they'll attempt to replace him.

The Republican Party, the institutional part of it, has already braced itself for a loss in November. They'll be badly beaten, they'll probably need two election cycles to recover, but they'll survive.

If they unseat Trump, though, the Tea Party faction will stampede off to join the Libertarians. They'll still lose. A quarter of their base will be gone, and a probably substantial number of mainstream R's will have decided that Hillary isn't the spawn of Satan after all. The damage to the Republican Party would be permanent and irreparable.

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Response to McCamy Taylor (Original post)

Mon Jun 27, 2016, 12:00 AM

16. I think they are plumb stuck with him. It will be a worse defeat downline if they push him out.

He was voted OVERWHELMINGLY by their base. You just can't ignore that. They will truly lose everything if they convene to change the convention rules.

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