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rateyes

(17,438 posts)
Thu Jun 30, 2016, 08:15 AM Jun 2016

Tim Kaine as VP? Please, just say "hell no!"

http://www.ontheissues.org/Governor/Tim_Kaine_Abortion.htm

Kaine on abortion:

Promote abstinence; ban partial-birth abortion

I will reduce abortion in Virginia by enforcing current Virginia restrictions, passing an enforceable ban on partial-birth abortion, ensuring women’s access to health care (including legal contraception), and promoting abstinence-focused education and adoption. We should reduce abortion in this manner, rather than by criminalizing women and doctors.
Source: Campaign website www.kaine2005.org, “Issues” , Nov 8, 2005

Tim Kaine:
"I HAVE A FAITH BASED OPPOSITION TO ABORTION. " (caps mine).
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Tim Kaine as VP? Please, just say "hell no!" (Original Post) rateyes Jun 2016 OP
He has a 100% lifetime rating from Naral and Planned Parenthood. FSogol Jun 2016 #1
^^ This ^^ lamp_shade Jun 2016 #2
Joe says his personal views don't motivate his policy views but he sure as shit voted for DOMA Bluenorthwest Jun 2016 #4
I'm more against Tim Kaine because NewJeffCT Jun 2016 #8
This is single-issue hyperbole. Please think broader and deeper. Plus, he is Pro-CHOICE on policy. RBInMaine Jun 2016 #3
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #5
No way. itsrobert Jun 2016 #6
Abstinence-focused education, whatever that may be in practice, SheilaT Jun 2016 #7
Bingo! rateyes Jun 2016 #9
Hell No! Pathwalker Jun 2016 #10
Martin O'Malley LynnTTT Jun 2016 #11
I'm Not with him. John Poet Jun 2016 #12
'Politico' has a good report… CobaltBlue Jul 2016 #13
I wouldn't be a big fan of Kaine mythology Jul 2016 #14
Thomas Perez would be a great choice. nt Snotcicles Jul 2016 #15
Hell No! Chan790 Jul 2016 #16
I wonder why he rather than Mark Warner has been spooky3 Jul 2016 #17
I Doubt He'll be Chosen Night Watchman Jul 2016 #18
Kaine's a bore bigwillq Jul 2016 #19

FSogol

(45,481 posts)
1. He has a 100% lifetime rating from Naral and Planned Parenthood.
Thu Jun 30, 2016, 08:16 AM
Jun 2016

That is in no way, "anti-abortion." His views are no different than Joe Biden's.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
4. Joe says his personal views don't motivate his policy views but he sure as shit voted for DOMA
Thu Jun 30, 2016, 08:51 AM
Jun 2016

citing his personal religious views as reason. Joe helped get DOMA passed. The way Joe tells it now, he's always been a champion of LGBT. He claims that he told his children we love just like others but he voted that we should be denied rights. So he is not very honest about his own actions and thus when folks like that say 'I am too ethical to let my personal views get in the way' I know they will let their personal views dictate and then they will just claim they did not.

They say 'I'm with you' then they vote against you then later they say 'I was always with you'. This is the pattern with the 'faith based' politicians.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
8. I'm more against Tim Kaine because
Thu Jun 30, 2016, 10:48 AM
Jun 2016

he's a boring choice and did a crappy job as head of the DNC (see the 2010 election debacle...)

 

RBInMaine

(13,570 posts)
3. This is single-issue hyperbole. Please think broader and deeper. Plus, he is Pro-CHOICE on policy.
Thu Jun 30, 2016, 08:45 AM
Jun 2016

Response to rateyes (Original post)

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
7. Abstinence-focused education, whatever that may be in practice,
Thu Jun 30, 2016, 10:38 AM
Jun 2016

while probably not as stupid as abstinence-only, is still a crock. Young people need genuine information about sex, sexuality, reproduction, and birth control.

States that teach abstinence-only have the highest rates of unwed mothers and unwanted pregnancies.

Anti-choice people also seem to think that if they only outlaw abortion, then no woman will ever have one.

LynnTTT

(362 posts)
11. Martin O'Malley
Thu Jun 30, 2016, 12:08 PM
Jun 2016

If we're going to have boring let's go with O'Malley. Strong on gun control, death penalty and plays in a band!

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
14. I wouldn't be a big fan of Kaine
Sun Jul 3, 2016, 07:54 PM
Jul 2016

While I don't think he would push to do away with abortion, I think abstinence focused sex ed is just dumb. And I'm not a fan of supporting coal power plants.

Clinton could do worse, but she could also do better.

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
16. Hell No!
Sun Jul 3, 2016, 08:56 PM
Jul 2016

I'm not sure what the recent love affair is with Tim Kaine by center-left Democrats...he's not one of you, he's actually a conservative Democrat and well to the right of center as well as well to the right of Clinton...a Kaine selection literally reads as "I feel I'm going to lose and I need to do everything I can to get Republicans to cross the aisle for me." That's not the situation on the ground at-all...this election is Clinton's to lose; it's nearly a total structural EC defeat for Trump, meaning he almost has no EC path to victory.

Add into that the absolutely horrible job he did as party chairman...I mean DWS is bad at her job, but compared to Kaine she looks like Howard Dean. (Dean was great at that job.) Also, his out-of-line with the establishment of the Democratic party position on social issues and we have a real winner of a VP candidate. Kaine is by-far the worst Democrat to have their name in VP discussions since Joe Lieberman.

The only good thing about a Kaine selection is that McAuliffe will almost by default be forced to replace him with someone more-liberal because there aren't any prominent VA Democrats even as conservative as Kaine, let alone more conservative. Webb as a replacement Senator would be to the left of Kaine...and James Webb is unabashedly a conservative Democrat in his own right.

spooky3

(34,440 posts)
17. I wonder why he rather than Mark Warner has been
Sun Jul 3, 2016, 09:41 PM
Jul 2016

The focus of VP speculation? Warner would bring the business background that might appeal to some.

Both Kaine and Warner are middle of the road types (Virginia outside of urban areas and college towns is still pretty red).

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