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uponit7771

(90,301 posts)
Thu Jun 30, 2016, 04:51 PM Jun 2016

OK, what real LEVERAGE does Sanders have right now?

- His supporters have flocked to Clinton (8% holdout) faster than Clinton's did to Obama (40% holdout) in 08 when Obama won.
- He's raised little funds for down ballot dems to make a difference
- No delegates are going to move to him
- Warren "trumps" his left bonafides seeing she was the person the left was pining for in the beginning.

What hand does he have to deal relative to weeks ago?

He goes 3rd party? Too late for that on a national level or even swing states IINM

Other than throwing his platform a couple of bones what has he got that's real leverage?

I'm thinking not a damn thAng

Your take?


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OK, what real LEVERAGE does Sanders have right now? (Original Post) uponit7771 Jun 2016 OP
If have so little leverage have he, why constantly remind us he doesn't have any... GeorgiaPeanuts Jun 2016 #1
Cause he isn't keeping his word in doing "everything" he can to defeat tRump uponit7771 Jun 2016 #3
Seems to me he has been very effective... GeorgiaPeanuts Jun 2016 #8
Nooooo, he could be campaigning with Clinton... I don't see this being his "everything" to defeat .. uponit7771 Jun 2016 #10
You never supported Sanders in the primary so you cannot claim to know... GeorgiaPeanuts Jun 2016 #17
I can claim to know that Clinton ONLY has 8% holdout NOW and Obama won with 18% holdout uponit7771 Jun 2016 #20
It's a fair question--many people are asking it. MADem Jun 2016 #5
.+1 840high Jun 2016 #7
It's politics on a political board made up of political junkies Blue_Adept Jun 2016 #22
He could threaten the "doomsday machine" and actively campaign for either Trump or Stein. DanTex Jun 2016 #2
Ah, that's something... I think they'll both backfire at this point but that's something he can use uponit7771 Jun 2016 #4
He'd get the "You'll never eat lunch in this town again!" treatment if he did that! MADem Jun 2016 #9
He's already berned through every bit of political capital he had MohRokTah Jun 2016 #6
Zero. He's done. The "revolution" never was. Still In Wisconsin Jun 2016 #11
Not a lot at this point. MineralMan Jun 2016 #12
+1, he's already at the floor with MOE.. below 40% then he starts dragging the down ballots with him uponit7771 Jun 2016 #13
Democrats have leverage. Renew Deal Jun 2016 #14
...well, then there's this ^^^. Seems he has more to lose than gain uponit7771 Jun 2016 #18
He could become invisible if they chose Renew Deal Jun 2016 #21
Bernie would become the Ted Cruz of the Democratic Party. politicaljunkie41910 Jun 2016 #23
To answer all the Sanders supporters in why does it matter Txbluedog Jun 2016 #15
+1, Sanders stumping for Clinton is a lot better than Sanders NOT doing everything he can to ... uponit7771 Jun 2016 #16
Can't blame some people from believing in indictment fairy cosmicone Jun 2016 #19
Warren is an even better attack dog, so he has nothing to offer anymore. CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #24
Less than zero. Anyone sucking up to Sanders this late will look weak The Second Stone Jun 2016 #25
 

GeorgiaPeanuts

(2,353 posts)
1. If have so little leverage have he, why constantly remind us he doesn't have any...
Thu Jun 30, 2016, 04:52 PM
Jun 2016

Just let his campaign fizzle in peace, no?

 

GeorgiaPeanuts

(2,353 posts)
8. Seems to me he has been very effective...
Thu Jun 30, 2016, 04:55 PM
Jun 2016

As you know he has stated repeatedly he cannot force his supporters to support Clinton with the snap of a finger.

But what he has done thus far has lead to: "His supporters have flocked to Clinton (8% holdout) faster than Clinton's did to Obama (40% holdout) in 08 when Obama won. "

Of course you are gonna claim that it was not by his doing, but I will have to agree to disagree with you there. If he came out an endorsed it would have look inauthentic and one of Bernie's biggest draws is his integrity and authenticity. So it would have backfired in my eyes.

uponit7771

(90,301 posts)
10. Nooooo, he could be campaigning with Clinton... I don't see this being his "everything" to defeat ..
Thu Jun 30, 2016, 04:58 PM
Jun 2016

.. tRump and we're not talking about his placing the onus on the winner to get his supporters to move over.

She's already done that, she has less hold outs than Obama in 08... WITHOUT SANDERS HELP

It would NOT look inauthentic to say she won and I'm with her... that's not even close to reality IMHO

 

GeorgiaPeanuts

(2,353 posts)
17. You never supported Sanders in the primary so you cannot claim to know...
Thu Jun 30, 2016, 05:06 PM
Jun 2016

...what would look authentic or inauthentic to his supporters. As one of his supporters I can tell you a quick endorsement would have looked inauthentic and tarnished his integrity in my eyes. He should endorse based on the outcome of his fight for progressive ideals in the party platform. Although even if he loses I expect at least some form of endorsement; He did endorse Bill Clinton with a sarcastic tone.

uponit7771

(90,301 posts)
20. I can claim to know that Clinton ONLY has 8% holdout NOW and Obama won with 18% holdout
Thu Jun 30, 2016, 05:08 PM
Jun 2016

... in November 08.

I know him not doing everything he can to defeat tRump is MORE inauthentic right now than Sanders NOT being a team player and a graceful loss

MADem

(135,425 posts)
5. It's a fair question--many people are asking it.
Thu Jun 30, 2016, 04:54 PM
Jun 2016

It's not anger or hatred, either--that framing is just not valid...it's puzzlement.

What's the point?

I can't see it, either, and I know I am not alone.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
2. He could threaten the "doomsday machine" and actively campaign for either Trump or Stein.
Thu Jun 30, 2016, 04:52 PM
Jun 2016

Other than that, his leverage seems to be waning by the day.

uponit7771

(90,301 posts)
4. Ah, that's something... I think they'll both backfire at this point but that's something he can use
Thu Jun 30, 2016, 04:54 PM
Jun 2016

MADem

(135,425 posts)
9. He'd get the "You'll never eat lunch in this town again!" treatment if he did that!
Thu Jun 30, 2016, 04:57 PM
Jun 2016

I don't think he wants to end his career on a low note. I think he's maybe having a tough time coming down to earth from all the high-flying hype and attention.

It happens. Time has a way of healing these pains.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
6. He's already berned through every bit of political capital he had
Thu Jun 30, 2016, 04:55 PM
Jun 2016

so he has precisely NO leverage any more.

MineralMan

(146,241 posts)
12. Not a lot at this point.
Thu Jun 30, 2016, 05:00 PM
Jun 2016

The polls are telling the only story anyone cares about. Those and Trumps pathetic campaign funding, which is almost none at all.

If Trump stays in, he'll be the nominee, and major GOP supporters are going to write this election off and donate only token amounts.

Trump is truly hosed.

uponit7771

(90,301 posts)
13. +1, he's already at the floor with MOE.. below 40% then he starts dragging the down ballots with him
Thu Jun 30, 2016, 05:02 PM
Jun 2016

Renew Deal

(81,839 posts)
14. Democrats have leverage.
Thu Jun 30, 2016, 05:03 PM
Jun 2016

Committee assignments: Gone
Unfavorable super-delegates removed from DNC positions
Primary challenger
Convention role limited
Bills unsupported

 

Txbluedog

(1,128 posts)
15. To answer all the Sanders supporters in why does it matter
Thu Jun 30, 2016, 05:04 PM
Jun 2016

It matters because the sooner the Democratic Party presents a united front the more it can use this to gain max vote in November, it's not only about electing a dem President but to get the Senate to flip and reduce the republican majority in the house to as little as possible. Sanders needs to be out there actively campaigning for Clinton and the democrats.

uponit7771

(90,301 posts)
16. +1, Sanders stumping for Clinton is a lot better than Sanders NOT doing everything he can to ...
Thu Jun 30, 2016, 05:05 PM
Jun 2016

... defeat tRump

 

The Second Stone

(2,900 posts)
25. Less than zero. Anyone sucking up to Sanders this late will look weak
Thu Jun 30, 2016, 05:46 PM
Jun 2016

and needy. Donald Trump will probably try it.

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